M1 Garand Hunting

noexit999 · #1 10-20-2010, 03:36 PM

I own a M1 Garand and was hoping to it this year as my other rifle is at the smith for repairs. Would it be legal to hunt with it eventhough it is a eight round clip?

AndrewM · #2 10-20-2010, 03:42 PM

No, I believe you gotta plug it to 4.

timsesink · #3 10-20-2010, 03:53 PM

Umm well Andrew isn't right, not even close. It is illegal in Canada to have a semi auto centrefire rifle holding more then 5 rounds. So you having 8 in yours would certainly cause some concerns. I'm not up on my Garands but I would think you woul need to get it pinned or something like that in order for it even to be legal never mind huntable. Other then that keep it five and let er rip.

honda450 · #4 10-20-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewM

No, I believe you gotta plug it to 4.

Ya can't "plug" a M1 Garand. Gotta go 8 round and eject 3 or a 5 shot enbloc clip.

Yet ejecting 3 might be a gray area too. I always wondered about that.

They are exempt from the 5 cartridge law under Canadian Firearm Laws regarding mags though, but hunting regs is different.

AndrewM · #5 10-20-2010, 04:03 PM

Sorry for the false information! I knew you couldn't use all 8 but didn't realize you could use 5. So I can carry 5 shots in my 303?

honda450 · #6 10-20-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by timsesink

Umm well Andrew isn't right, not even close. It is illegal in Canada to have a semi auto centrefire rifle holding more then 5 rounds. So you having 8 in yours would certainly cause some concerns.

Not true. Certain Rifles are exempt the M1 Garand being one.

honda450 · #7 10-20-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewM

Sorry for the false information! I knew you couldn't use all 8 but didn't realize you could use 5. So I can carry 5 shots in my 303?

Ya leave me confused.

timsesink · #8 10-20-2010, 04:27 PM

Yup, you could actually have 300 if you had a clip that big. The clip limit is just on semi-auto's and I learned something new today about M1's being exempt fromt eh reg. Good news!

AB RANGER 007 · #9 10-20-2010, 04:30 PM

the Big Game act states that a

(Magazine)?? (Clip) for a SA rifle can not hold more than 5 rounds.

A 303 Enfield is not a SA Rifle,

10 Rds OK in the Mag..

Please read the Hunting Regs.
Bruce.

mudbug · #10 10-20-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by honda450

Ya can't "plug" a M1 Garand. Gotta go 8 round and eject 3 or a 5 shot enbloc clip.

Yet ejecting 3 might be a gray area too. I always wondered about that.

They are exempt from the 5 cartridge law under Canadian Firearm Laws regarding mags though, but hunting regs is different.

I'm pretty sure that you can eject three so there is only five in the clip and your fine, same with bolt actions like the Brit that hold more than five, just put five in the mag and your good to go.

Cal · #11 10-20-2010, 04:47 PM

Just out of curiosity is it 5 rounds in the mag or 5 rounds total?

mudbug · #12 10-20-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cal

Just out of curiosity is it 5 rounds in the mag or 5 rounds total?

5 Total, Unless it's a shotgun used for birds then it's 3 rounds total

honda450 · #13 10-20-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mudbug

I'm pretty sure that you can eject three so there is only five in the clip and your fine, same with bolt actions like the Brit that hold more than five, just put five in the mag and your good to go.

Hehe Read the hunting regs again paying particular wording they use. Page 18, under BIG GAME, item 3. Gray area to me.

"has the capacity", thats what I am saying.

duffy4 · #14 10-20-2010, 04:58 PM

There are two issues here.

1. the federal firearms bull**** concerning mag capacity of semi-auto center fire guns.

and 2. the Alberta wildlife act and regulations concerning mag capacity and hunting Big Game with a semi-auto rifles.

The Alberta law deals with a semi-auto that has the capacity of holding more than 5 rounds in the magazine.

So the magazine on the M1 must be modified or "plugged" so it cannot have a capacity of more than 5. Ejecting 3 of the clip full so there are only 5 left is not enough.

Loading a single round and then hunting without a clip in the rifle would make it a legal single shot without any magazine capacity.

mudbug · #15 10-20-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by honda450

Hehe Read the hunting regs again paying particular wording they use. Page 18, under BIG GAME, item 3. Gray area to me.

"has the capacity", thats what I am saying.

Same guy who wrote the PAL exam questions must have wrote that one too ;o) Lots of gray area's in those as well

I know with 5 rounds in a semi or bolt your not likely to get hassled by enforcement.

Okay I tried to download the hunting regs but they don't want to download so if I was you I would phone F&W to see what they say. Get the name of the person you talk to, the date and time and write it down. I see Honda tried phoning and they were lost at F&W but I'd give them another try and ask more questions before you take it out hunting. Too much grey area's to take a chance on getting in trouble until you know for sure I wouldn't use it.

honda450 · #16 10-20-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mudbug

Same guy who wrote the PAL exam questions must have wrote that one too ;o) Lots of gray area's in those as well

I know with 5 rounds in a semi or bolt your not likely to get hassled by enforcement.

Yup thats what I am saying. The M1 Garand using a 8 shot enbloc clip even if ya eject 3 still has the capacity to hold 8. Am I splittin hairs? Phoned F & W on this one and they did not even know what a M1 Garand was. Gave me a big lecture about Canadian Firearm Laws, so I just gave up. hehehe

PoppaW · #17 10-20-2010, 05:20 PM

To be safe get a 5 shot enbloc and use that while hunting. No mag capacity limits on bolt guns. Or 22's

mudbug · #18 10-20-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by honda450

Yup thats what I am saying. The M1 Garand using a 8 shot enbloc clip even if ya eject 3 still has the capacity to hold 8. Am I splittin hairs? Phoned F & W on this one and they did not even know what a M1 Garand was. Gave me a big lecture about Canadian Firearm Laws, so I just gave up. hehehe

I'm giving up too

I'm going to go outside and watch for migrating squirrels now

honda450 · #19 10-20-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by duffy4

Loading a single round and then hunting without a clip in the rifle would make it a legal single shot without any magazine capacity.

Thats the only way I could see it too Duffy. Strange eh?

Wonder if anyone has come into this predictament before?

PoppaW · #20 10-20-2010, 05:24 PM

And I forgot. Good on ya , for taking the ole girl out for a hunt. Thats awesome.

jungleboy · #21 10-20-2010, 05:45 PM

if you haven't hit him by the second shot you probably aren't going to get him anyway so 5 or 10 or 100 shot mag is moot anyway.

archer · #22 10-20-2010, 05:56 PM

I used an M1 for hunting many years ago my solution to cartridge capacity was to silver solder a 5/16" nut in the clip at the 5 round mark.

Cal · #23 10-20-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mudbug

5 Total, Unless it's a shotgun used for birds then it's 3 rounds total

Well then, Andrew M was right that the magazine would have to be plugged to 4 shots. Unless that is not what he meant then id say honda450 has some crow to eat over his not so pleasant remark.

honda450 · #24 10-20-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cal

Well then, Andrew M was right that the magazine would have to be plugged to 4 shots. Unless that is not what he meant then id say honda450 has some crow to eat over his not so pleasant remark.

Don't see what unpleasant comment I made Cal. And for your info a M1 Garand has a built in magazine that requires a clip to load it.

But I figure ya know nothing about M1 Garands. So I will leave it at that.

And Cal if ya could tell me how to "plug" a M1 Garand I am all ears.

Elk Chaser · #25 10-20-2010, 06:46 PM

I use to have a m1 and if you go to WGP they will sell you a modified clip that holds 5.

fordtruckin · #26 10-20-2010, 07:48 PM

I think a lesson on the difference between a clip and a magazine should be in order for topics such as these. As mentioned the Garand has a enbloc clip, not a magazine, just like the Lee enfield .303 brit rifles have a clip, not a mag... anyways its a pet peeve of mine.lol

honda450 · #27 10-20-2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fordtruckin

I think a lesson on the difference between a clip and a magazine should be in order for topics such as these. As mentioned the Garand has a enbloc clip, not a magazine, just like the Lee enfield .303 brit rifles have a clip, not a mag... anyways its a pet peeve of mine.lol

Clips were made to load magazines faster in times of war. The M1 Garand spits out the clip after the last round has been fired and locks open to feed the next clip of 8 rounds. The clips were never picked up and lay where they were ejected. Probably thousands laying in Europe. Although many types of rifles were used there.

SonnyJ · #28 10-20-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by honda450

Clips were made to load magazines faster in times of war. The M1 Garand spits out the clip after the last round has been fired and locks open to feed the next clip of 8 rounds. The clips were never picked up and lay where they were ejected. Probably thousands laying in Europe. Although many types of rifles were used there.

Yes Sir you are correct..

uglyelk · #29 10-20-2010, 10:44 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHx_5...eature=channel

Love how the pinger clip comes flying out when the rifle is empty. Much different than the standard stripper clip. M1 is very unique in it's operation.

I think one day I'll have to have one.

mudbug · #30 10-20-2010, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by honda450

Hehe Read the hunting regs again paying particular wording they use. Page 18, under BIG GAME, item 3. Gray area to me.

"has the capacity", thats what I am saying.

Finally got the regs to download, I see what you mean about the capacity for semi auto rifles, your right it's very grey. I also noticed there is no clause stating capacity restrictions for bolt action rifles so I was wrong on that one as well. I really don't know how the Garand would fit into the regs with the wording in the regs. If the clip was modified to only hold five rounds or four depending on how you interpret the regs I'm not sure if it would still be legal for hunting. I'm thinking if it was only capable of holding five you might be okay but with the way it's worded who knows.