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Old 05-28-2020, 04:56 PM
WeaselBeard WeaselBeard is offline
 
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Question Trying to get a better grasp on Group vs Individual Applications

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Originally Posted by Lerrooy View Post
Thanks for the information fellas.

Just one more question. I applied tonight and got it all done. My understanding is that we will each get drawn at the same time and 2 tags will be given out.
How come only one of us pays the $3.83 fee and we both don't. That doesn't make sense.
If we are both to get drawn and given 2 tags should we not be paying 3.83 each?
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Originally Posted by Rackmastr View Post
You are paying per application. As both of you are on the same application, its one application charge.
Pulled some quotes (above) from another post and got me to thinking
I would like to add a few scenarios to this (just so I understand more clearly). Sorry for the length, but please bear (not bare) with me.

~~~~~~~~~~ Scenario 1 Group application then Individual applications ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Lerrooy applies via group this year (2020) (first year) with 2 other guys (we'll call them Bob, Mike). Pays 3.83 (payment per person = (1.28)). Does not get drawn resulting in the following:
P1 for L, (paid 3.83)
P1 for B,
P1 for M
Total money paid 2020: 3.83
Grand total money paid: 3.83

Repeat the following year (2021) with another group application (3.83 payment). Still not drawn resulting in the following:
P2 for L, (paid 3.83)
P2 for B,
P2 for M
Total money paid:
Total money paid 2021: 3.83
Grand total money paid: 7.66


Repeat the following year (2022) with another group application (3.83 payment). Still not drawn resulting in the following:
P3 for L, (paid 3.83)
P3 for B,
P3 for M
Total money paid 2022: 3.83
Grand total money paid: 11.49

The following year (2023) can each person apply as individuals (3.83 payment each). Bob gets drawn and L and M do not get drawn resulting in the following:
P4 for L, (paid 3.83)
P0 for B, (paid 3.83)
P4 for M (paid 3.83)
Total money paid 2023: 11.49
Grand total money paid: 22.98

The following year (2024) each person apply as individuals (3.83 payment each).
P5 for L, (paid 3.83)
P1 for B, (paid 3.83)
P5 for M (paid 3.83)
Total money paid 2024: 11.49
Grand total money paid: 34.47


~~~~~~~~~~ Scenario 2 Group application and adding another guy in later years and then individual application ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Lerrooy applies via group this year (2020) (first year) with 2 other guys (we'll call them Bob, Mike). Pays 3.83 (payment per person = (1.28)). Does not get drawn resulting in the following:
P1 for L, (paid 3.83)
P1 for B,
P1 for M
Total money paid 2020: 3.83
Grand total money paid: 3.83

Repeat the following year (2021) with another group application (3.83 payment). Still not drawn resulting in the following:
P2 for L, (paid 3.83)
P2 for B,
P2 for M
Total money paid:
Total money paid 2021: 3.83
Grand total money paid: 7.66


Repeat the following year (2022) with another group application by adding on 1 other guy (we'll call him Joe who is brand new hunter so has 0 priority) (3.83 payment). Still not drawn resulting in the following:
P3 for L, (paid 3.83)
P3 for B,
P3 for M,
P1 for J
Total money paid 2022: 3.83
Grand total money paid: 11.49

The following year (2023) can each person apply as individuals (3.83 payment each). Bob gets drawn and L and M do not get drawn resulting in the following:
P4 for L, (paid 3.83)
P0 for B, (paid 3.83)
P4 for M (paid 3.83)
P2 for J (paid 3.83)
Total money paid 2023: 15.32
Grand total money paid: 26.81

The following year (2024) each person apply as individuals (3.83 payment each).
P5 for L, (paid 3.83)
P1 for B, (paid 3.83)
P5 for M (paid 3.83)
P3 for J (paid 3.83)
Total money paid 2024: 15.32
Grand total money paid: 42.13


~~~~~~~~~~ Scenario 3 Group with different applicant(s) (the guy paying), then individual ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Lerrooy applies via group this year (2020) (first year) with 2 other guys (we'll call them Bob, Mike). Pays 3.83 (payment per person = (1.28)). Does not get drawn resulting in the following:
P1 for L, (paid 3.83)
P1 for B,
P1 for M
Total money paid 2020: 3.83
Grand total money paid: 3.83

Repeat the following year (2021) with another group application (3.83 payment). Still not drawn resulting in the following:
P2 for L, (paid 3.83)
P2 for B,
P2 for M
Total money paid:
Total money paid 2021: 3.83
Grand total money paid: 7.66


Bob applies via group the following year (2022) with another group application (3.83 payment). Still not drawn resulting in the following:
P3 for L,
P3 for B, (paid 3.83)
P3 for M
Total money paid 2022: 3.83
Grand total money paid: 11.49

The following year (2023) can each person apply as individuals (3.83 payment each). Bob gets drawn and L and M do not get drawn resulting in the following:
P4 for L, (paid 3.83)
P0 for B, (paid 3.83)
P4 for M (paid 3.83)
Total money paid 2023: 11.49
Grand total money paid: 22.98

The following year (2024) each person apply as individuals (3.83 payment each).
P5 for L, (paid 3.83)
P1 for B, (paid 3.83)
P5 for M (paid 3.83)
Total money paid 2024: 11.49
Grand total money paid: 34.47


~~~~~~~~~~ Scenario 4 Individual, then group, then individual ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

All apply as individuals for current year (2020). Do not get drawn resulting in the following:
P1 for L, (paid 3.83)
P1 for B, (paid 3.83)
P1 for M (paid 3.83)
Total money paid 2020: 11.49
Grand total money paid: 11.49

Repeat the following year (2021) with all individual applications (3.83 payment each). Still not drawn resulting in the following:
P2 for L, (paid 3.83)
P2 for B, (paid 3.83)
P2 for M (paid 3.83)
Total money paid:
Total money paid 2021: 11.49
Grand total money paid: 22.98

Repeat the following year (2022) with individual application (3.83 payment each). Bob gets drawn and L and M do not get drawn resulting in the following:
P3 for L, (paid 3.83)
P0 for B, (paid 3.83)
P3 for M (paid 3.83)
Total money paid 2022: 11.49
Grand total money paid: 34.47

The following year (2023) group application (3.83 payment). Do not get drawn resulting in the following:
P4 for L,
P1 for B,
P4 for M
Total money paid 2023: 3.83
Grand total money paid: 38.30

The following year (2024) each person apply as individuals (3.83 payment each). Do not get drawn resulting in the following:
P5 for L, (paid 3.83)
P2 for B, (paid 3.83)
P5 for M (paid 3.83)
Total money paid 2024: 11.49
Grand total money paid: 49.79



Main questions I'm looking to get answers for:
1. Is there anything in either scenario that is legitimately, logically, or procedurally incorrect (except maybe some poor math addition skills)?
2. Can you mix-and-match group and individual applications (year-over-year) or do you have to stay committed to one type for its duration until you are drawn under that code? I would think you would have freedom each year to chose application type.
2. Can you mix-and-match group application members (year-over-year) or do you have to stay committed to a fixed list of group members for its duration until you are drawn under that code? I would think you would have freedom each year to chose who to include/exclude in any given year (max 4 limit).
3. Can the person applying for the group in year 2020 be different than the person in the group applying in year 2022 (i.e. Leerroy one year, Bob for next 2 years, Mike another year, Bob again for a year)? I would think you would have the freedom to choose the applicant (the guy paying) for the group.

General comments:

1. I am not looking here for comments (although you can post as you wish) on how cheaply this is or it's only a few bucks difference, but I am more interested in the legitimacy of these scenarios. Has anyone ever done this?
2. Just an FYI: Over a 4 year period with a group of 4 applying for 5 draws, that could translate into 11.49 x 4 x 5 = 229.80 (via individual application) vs 3.83 x 4 x 5 = 76.60 (via group application). Savings of 153.20 / 4 guys = 38.30 each (almost cover a license cost)
3. No need to explain the draw priority value on a group application = lowest priority within the group (I fully understand that component).

Thanks a bunch in advance,
WB

Last edited by WeaselBeard; 05-28-2020 at 05:06 PM.
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Old 05-28-2020, 05:05 PM
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You can change the number of applicants, change members and change the wmus that you apply in from year to year with no issues at all.
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