Suppressors - needed or not?

[TargetRick]

While suppressors and sound reducers are in general very good, I was thinking on it the other day and considered a different factor:

- on Crown Land type of open areas where I might be walking or ATVing around, maybe suppressors are not so useful.
- if someone is shooting, I certainly WOULD want to hear the bang, from a distance of course.

That way, I can get the heck out of the way before the shots come flying my way. Having once been accidentally shot at, I can testify this is a useful thing, and really makes one move quickly.

If suppressors were on, I'd never hear it. I'd just feel the bad news of the bullet. And oh the zing of that bullet can bring some bad, bad news.

- Yes to suppressors and sound reducers on the ranges, where all the benefits can be known and useful.
- But No to suppressors on public lands.

That's my thinking - what's yours?

TargetRick

[Dmay]

So when you hear a shot in the bush, how do you determine where to go to "get out of the way"?

[Jack Hardin]

Originally Posted by Dmay

So when you hear a shot in the bush, how do you determine where to go to "get out of the way"?

I live in the country and when I hear a shot, I can tell the general direction it came from but not the exact direction. However, if they fire a second shot and I'm paying attention, I can pinpoint the exact direction within a couple of degrees. We were taught on the escape and evasion course that if you were in enemy territory and "had" to fire a gun for food, only fire one shot. The enemy will get the general direction of from where the gun was fired, but cannot normally pinpoint the exact direction.

Just as an aside, from the same course, if you must start a fire in enemy territory for cooking food or whatever, do it at a point during dusk when it is light enough so the enemy cannot see the flame and yet dark enough that they cannot see the smoke. It is not a very long window of time.

Another one is that you can use your analog watch as a compass. Point the hour hand at the sun and halfway between the hour hand and 12 o'clock will be due south.

[drhu22]

Originally Posted by Dmay

So when you hear a shot in the bush, how do you determine where to go to "get out of the way"?

I was also shot at by hunters during antelope season while working s of M Hat. I could tell where it came from and how far it was from my head... 1 - 2 meters. Someone with bad eye sight mistook me beside a well head for fair game.

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by drhu22

I was also shot at by hunters during antelope season while working s of M Hat. I could tell where it came from and how far it was from my head... 1 - 2 meters. Someone with bad eye sight mistook me beside a well head for fair game.

LOL so how many shots do you need to have go by your head to KNOW it is only 1-2m away and not 5-10 or 10-20 or........

[TargetRick]

Originally Posted by Dmay

So when you hear a shot in the bush, how do you determine where to go to "get out of the way"?

In my case, it was hearing that "zzzip" sound in the bushes, and seeing little leaves fall. The mind seemed to links up the direction of the sound of the "bang"with the sound of the "zzzzip" real fast!

Getting down on the ground seemed like one heck of a good idea - I did that fast - and then scuttling behind a nearby quonset - again, low and fast - was the next best idea.

Good news was, there was only one shot.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by Slash8

I say if, with huge emphasis on if, suppressors were ever legalized in the Great White North I would only support the use of such devices at gun ranges. I think they have no business in a hunting application what so ever. I like to hear the report of a firearm when I am hunting. It lets me know the anti's / liberals haven't won. It's an indication as to the direction someone else is and quite possibly someone has just harvested an animal. We were able to help a couple of young successful moose hunters get a nice bull out to the adjacent cut line 20 some years ago because we heard the report of the rifle. They got an extra couple sets of hands out of the deal and by the end of it we had a pretty good idea of where everyone from both groups were going to roughly be over the next week. It was good interaction between the two groups. Unfortunately the only other shots that week came from a bottle of Bonded Stock after supper a few nights. I'm with others on this one when it comes to jumping out of the way of a shot, I don't think you would have a hope in hell in"dodging that bullet".

Good lord. Thanks for the laugh.

[guywiththemule]

Originally Posted by rem338win

Good lord. Thanks for the laugh.

Yep ! ^^^

[Dewey Cox]

By allowing suppressors, you are encouraging assassinations.
That’s just basic math right there.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by Dewey Cox

By allowing suppressors, you are encouraging assassinations.
That’s just basic math right there.

And, because of the equipment, it would be nigh impossible to apprehend the shooter. Not math, but it has been proven in multiple movies.

[Dewey Cox]

Originally Posted by Trochu

And, because of the equipment, it would be nigh impossible to apprehend the shooter. Not math, but it has been proven in multiple movies.

So it’s science then.

[CNP]

Originally Posted by Dewey Cox

By allowing suppressors, you are encouraging assassinations.
That’s just basic math right there.

What?

[Albertacoyotecaller]

So much fail within only a handful of posts. Yes to suppressors and freedom to do what you want to do without having to have a permission slip.

[Little red riding hood]

Originally Posted by Dewey Cox

By allowing suppressors, you are encouraging assassinations.
That’s just basic math right there.

So every man should be locked up for rape...

Since he has the equipment to do the crime!!!

[bat119]

Nope never going to happen

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Dewey Cox

By allowing suppressors, you are encouraging assassinations.
That’s just basic math right there.

And by allowing spoons your inviting obesity.....I say can those loud buggers!

Wish we could.

[thumper]

Suppressors are required in some European jurisdictions because they lower their noise level in their more densely populated landscapes, allowing people to hunt without unduly disturbing others, and so manage their game levels.
Sort of like our laws on mufflers - you can hear vehicles, and the noise can be annoying, but not startling.

With shooting ranges being shut downing our country, due (in part) to noise complaints, I would think they'd be welcomed here.

[fordtruckin]

Got both cans out today. Have to say the .22 is an absolute blast! Like some have already mentioned it is STILL LOUD but definitely muffles the crack. Now I just need to get some sub sonic 22 ammo. I do wonder why I didn’t do them sooner! A buddy of mine is an ATF agent and loves rubbing it in! Absolutely they are one of the most pleasant firearms accessories I have ever purchased!

[bucksnbears]

Originally Posted by dewey cox

by allowing suppressors, you are encouraging assassinations.
That’s just basic math right there.

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[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by TargetRick

While suppressors and sound reducers are in general very good, I was thinking on it the other day and considered a different factor:

- on Crown Land type of open areas where I might be walking or ATVing around, maybe suppressors are not so useful.
- if someone is shooting, I certainly WOULD want to hear the bang, from a distance of course.

That way, I can get the heck out of the way before the shots come flying my way. Having once been accidentally shot at, I can testify this is a useful thing, and really makes one move quickly.

If suppressors were on, I'd never hear it. I'd just feel the bad news of the bullet. And oh the zing of that bullet can bring some bad, bad news.

- Yes to suppressors and sound reducers on the ranges, where all the benefits can be known and useful.
- But No to suppressors on public lands.

That's my thinking - what's yours?

TargetRick

You are not going to be able to react in time if you hear a shot, because even at 1K most modern cartridges are at least the speed of sound .
There is an old saying about not hearing the shot that kills you, and this is so very true- how can you hear a bullet going faster than the speed of sound?
New Zealand is a perfect example of suppressors in common use and the crimes using them to be pretty much nil.
Cat

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by Dewey Cox

By allowing suppressors, you are encouraging assassinations.
That’s just basic math right there.

Originally Posted by Trochu

And, because of the equipment, it would be nigh impossible to apprehend the shooter. Not math, but it has been proven in multiple movies.

But it would help afford me the ability to avoid detection by the zombie kind while I quietly remove their insidious race.

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by TargetRick

While suppressors and sound reducers are in general very good, I was thinking on it the other day and considered a different factor:

- on Crown Land type of open areas where I might be walking or ATVing around, maybe suppressors are not so useful.
- if someone is shooting, I certainly WOULD want to hear the bang, from a distance of course.

That way, I can get the heck out of the way before the shots come flying my way. Having once been accidentally shot at, I can testify this is a useful thing, and really makes one move quickly.

If suppressors were on, I'd never hear it. I'd just feel the bad news of the bullet. And oh the zing of that bullet can bring some bad, bad news.

- Yes to suppressors and sound reducers on the ranges, where all the benefits can be known and useful.
- But No to suppressors on public lands.

That's my thinking - what's yours?

TargetRick

I think you have it backwards. At the range I can wear inner plugs and muffs and the noise is not a factor. While I am hunting I am wearing no hearing protection as I want to hear my surroundings. I would rather have the suppressor for hunting over range use.

[vcmm]

I don't want to have to wear earplugs on crown land either. That so I can get out of the way before you jog /run or Atv over top of me.

P.S. no one needs an atv.

[Jayhad]

Originally Posted by TargetRick

While suppressors and sound reducers are in general very good, I was thinking on it the other day and considered a different factor:

- on Crown Land type of open areas where I might be walking or ATVing around, maybe suppressors are not so useful.
- if someone is shooting, I certainly WOULD want to hear the bang, from a distance of course.

That way, I can get the heck out of the way before the shots come flying my way. Having once been accidentally shot at, I can testify this is a useful thing, and really makes one move quickly.

If suppressors were on, I'd never hear it. I'd just feel the bad news of the bullet. And oh the zing of that bullet can bring some bad, bad news.

- Yes to suppressors and sound reducers on the ranges, where all the benefits can be known and useful.
- But No to suppressors on public lands.

That's my thinking - what's yours?

TargetRick

Have you seen a suppressor used on a supersonic cartridge? Suppressors aren't like what you see in James Bond, they aren't silent.
But as said in a previous post hear a shot report isn't going to give you enough time to dive for cover

[1899b]

Originally Posted by Jayhad

Have you seen a suppressor used on a supersonic cartridge? Suppressors aren't like what you see in James Bond, they aren't silent.
But as said in a previous post hear a shot report isn't going to give you enough time to dive for cover

Yeah that’s Dead Pool stuff right there... lol

[Slash8]

I say if, with huge emphasis on if, suppressors were ever legalized in the Great White North I would only support the use of such devices at gun ranges. I think they have no business in a hunting application what so ever. I like to hear the report of a firearm when I am hunting. It lets me know the anti's / liberals haven't won. It's an indication as to the direction someone else is and quite possibly someone has just harvested an animal. We were able to help a couple of young successful moose hunters get a nice bull out to the adjacent cut line 20 some years ago because we heard the report of the rifle. They got an extra couple sets of hands out of the deal and by the end of it we had a pretty good idea of where everyone from both groups were going to roughly be over the next week. It was good interaction between the two groups. Unfortunately the only other shots that week came from a bottle of Bonded Stock after supper a few nights. I'm with others on this one when it comes to jumping out of the way of a shot, I don't think you would have a hope in hell in"dodging that bullet".

[hogie]

They don't make gun noise go away like the movies. A high powered rifle will still be 130 - 140 decibels. That is still loud. In a quiet setting you will still hear it. Does reduce the noise but not eliminate it. I think for hunting I would like it. Less chance of hearing loss.

A loud motorcycle is still more quiet than a suppressed rifle. I know I can hear loud bikes and cars from a distance.

[YYC338]

Suppressors? Already on my list of things I don't need to take hunting into the bush. Never could answer the "why would I?" question.

[Jucebox]

Im on the fence. On one hand, its definitely more gentle on the ears, and it would spook the other deer less. And unless youre having a party, there wont be enough back ground noise for you to miss the note of the supersonic round through a suppressor. And Ive been told some of Europe and others use them just fine. And Im not sure about the rest of you, but my reflexes are not precognisant, Id still be hit before I was able to react.

On the other, I also like to judge how busy it is around me and if I should carry on to somewhere else. I dont want to pay for the barrel work and the suppressor. Im also pretty sure they wear, so theres the price or replacement.

[CaberTosser]

The key is in the name "suppressor" rather than 'silencer' because none of them truly silence a firearms report. They should perhaps start calling them de-loudenizers so that the masses who get their physics knowledge from Hollywood movies might possibly clue in.