Five reasons to BAN Spears and Atlatls

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by u_cant_rope_the_wind

they allow people to use spears to hunt with
but wont allow cross bows in archery season ???
thinking about that situation
someone aint making a lot of common sense up stairs are they ????

Spears aren't allowed in archery only season either....

LC

[Kanati]

Hey everyone,

Don't want to get burned alive for making this comment, because as a new guy, just starting down his hunting path, I want to make friends, not enemies.

With that said, can I place my 2 cents.

one thing I learned from taking the AHIEA course, is that hunters are and considered environmentalists, and conservationists. I understand that this is one of the biggest arguments that other groups hold against hunters, that they can't be both hunters and animal, environment and conservation lovers and enthusiasts; How can you kill the animals if you care for them etc.

So, where am I going with this. Well, from my understanding, and small amount of education so far, hunters do have a natural respect for the environment and the animals they harvest; a clear example would be the first nations, one of the most nature based religions in the world, yet they still hunted as part of the natural balance. However, is it not the role of the hunter, to not only respect the animals they harvest but also to harvest them with the utmost dignity towards the animal? If so, isn't spear hunting, and atlatls hunting not showing the dignity and respect of a clean, quick kill that the animals deserves? I would imagine a well place arrow, or bullet is a lot more accurate, and instant then throwing a spear; if anything it borderline sounds barbaric, and could possibly push those who don't understand hunting even further against us.

I suppose the whole point I am trying to make, is that isn't our job to respect the animal, and give them a quick, painless death? If so, surly its time the idea of throwing spears at large game has to come to an end.

respectfully.

R

[ganderblaster]

I am very disappointed. Mr. Watson seems to specialize in creating divisions among hunters and yes I have told him that to his face. United we stand divided we all fall down. His position on these primitive weapons is particularly ironic this time however.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Kanati

Hey everyone,

Don't want to get burned alive for making this comment, because as a new guy, just starting down his hunting path, I want to make friends, not enemies.

With that said, can I place my 2 cents.

one thing I learned from taking the AHIEA course, is that hunters are and considered environmentalists, and conservationists. I understand that this is one of the biggest arguments that other groups hold against hunters, that they can't be both hunters and animal, environment and conservation lovers and enthusiasts; How can you kill the animals if you care for them etc.

So, where am I going with this. Well, from my understanding, and small amount of education so far, hunters do have a natural respect for the environment and the animals they harvest; a clear example would be the first nations, one of the most nature based religions in the world, yet they still hunted as part of the natural balance. However, is it not the role of the hunter, to not only respect the animals they harvest but also to harvest them with the utmost dignity towards the animal? If so, isn't spear hunting, and atlatls hunting not showing the dignity and respect of a clean, quick kill that the animals deserves? I would imagine a well place arrow, or bullet is a lot more accurate, and instant then throwing a spear; if anything it borderline sounds barbaric, and could possibly push those who don't understand hunting even further against us.

I suppose the whole point I am trying to make, is that isn't our job to respect the animal, and give them a quick, painless death? If so, surly its time the idea of throwing spears at large game has to come to an end.

respectfully.

R

It all depends on just who is doing the shooting!
You cannot make a blanket statement and say say that one type of weapon kills better than another.
The operator is the biggest variable in anything.
You may not be able to kill a white tail at 150 yards with a patched round ball muzzle loader or a deer at 30 yards with a long bow, or a moose at 400 yards with a rifle but many can and do.

If one wants to start a big fight all one has to do is say that a particular cartridge - take the .223 for example , is unethical and not good for killling deer, then watch what happens!
Cat

[Kanati]

Very valid point, thanks Cat.

[Matt L.]

Ah the ABA, Alberta Bowhunters-only Association. They're showing themselves to be very much an elitist group.

[walking buffalo]

I'm glad that people are understanding and share the same concerns I have with this ABA resolution.


Some here may have noticed that I tend to bitch a bit about how our Alberta Game Management Advisory Group (AGMAG) operates in relative secrecy.


Besides my bitching, some may have also seen how the public dissemination of information through this Forum has influenced change within the AGAMG discussions.


Posting on this forum is one thing, but it does relatively little in the bigger picture. However, sending an email to and requesting a response from those tasked with making these decisions can truly influence change.


I believe that many individuals sitting at the AGAMAG table could care less about this resolution, and may let it pass for simplicity sake. I have heard that ESRD F&W is not opposed to banning spears/atlatls as they expect little public backlash. I have been told that there is a split within the AFGA on this topic, some just don't care if these weapons are banned while others do not see the need to do so.

Without public (your) input on this matter, the resolution actually has a pretty good chance of passing.

These are the people that need to hear from you on this matter. Please send an email with your questions and position.


Allen, Jim
Head - Wildlife Management Policy
Environment and Sustainable Resource Development

E-mail: james.allen@gov.ab.ca


Pat Dunford
Head, Legislative and Advisory Services

Email: Pat.Dunford@gov.ab.ca


Ian Stuart
Alberta Fish and Game association - (Hunting Chair)

Email: mooseridge2@gmail.com


Brent Watson
Alberta Bowhunters Association - President

Email: brent@albertabowhunters.com

[u_cant_rope_the_wind]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

It all depends on just who is doing the shooting!
You cannot make a blanket statement and say say that one type of weapon kills better than another.
The operator is the biggest variable in anything.
You may not be able to kill a white tail at 150 yards with a patched round ball muzzle loader or a deer at 30 yards with a long bow, or a moose at 400 yards with a rifle but many can and do.

If one wants to start a big fight all one has to do is say that a particular cartridge - take the .223 for example , is unethical and not good for killling deer, then watch what happens!
Cat

good point Cat
I'm gonna do this just for poops and giggles just see what happens

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by u_cant_rope_the_wind

good point Cat
I'm gonna do this just for poops and giggles just see what happens

You may as well start and say the patched round ball in a .45 cal rifle is no good and one should use a maxi - that is what one well known gun scribbler stated in a freakin' book that he wrote!
The next artcle I saw by this guy was one on stick bows, and he stated and I quote" Speed kills so shoot the heaviest bow you can pull"
utter nonsense!
I know many really good archers that will tell you in no uncertain terms that they shoot far more accurately with a bw far less than what they can pull at their maximum, and I realized that myself years ago.
Cat

[tony d]

im thinking of a list of reasons to ban the ABA lol

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

It all depends on just who is doing the shooting!
You cannot make a blanket statement and say say that one type of weapon kills better than another.
The operator is the biggest variable in anything.
You may not be able to kill a white tail at 150 yards with a patched round ball muzzle loader or a deer at 30 yards with a long bow, or a moose at 400 yards with a rifle but many can and do.

If one wants to start a big fight all one has to do is say that a particular cartridge - take the .223 for example , is unethical and not good for killling deer, then watch what happens!
Cat

Kanati listen to these words...you'll turn out alright!

[u_cant_rope_the_wind]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Spears aren't allowed in archery only season either....

LC

I didn't say allow spears in archery season
I said
they allow people to use spears to hunt with
but wont allow cross bows in archery season ???

meaning if they allow spears to hunt with this day and age
why wont they allow cross bows in archery season????
what is their thought process here?????
DUHHHHHHHHHHH spears is just cruelty to animals IMHO