Oregon standoff over?

[agentsmith]

The FBI arrested Cliven Bundy on arrival at the Portland airport last night, on belated charges for his own standoff back in 2014.
http://www.vox.com/2016/2/11/1096539...i-cliven-bundy

The FBI moved in and surrounded the last four holdouts at the Malheur Refuge yesterday. After hours of negotiations, they agreed to surrender at 8am PST (right about as I post this).
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/l...ildlife-refuge

[DustDee]

Things have only begun.

[JustMe]

Thank gawd they got the pinheads out of there without anyone else getting hurt. From what I read, one of the idiots was screaming for the authorities to kill him. What is wrong with these type of people? Rebels without a cause?

[Okotokian]

Nobody cares, the news cycle moved on. Sounds like the Feds took the right approach... just stay calm, no siege, no tactical team and snipers. Wait 'em out, make arrests as they move around.

[bat119]

The Feds should have packed up their men and went a long time ago, without publicity those guys would have packed gone home last week.

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Nobody cares, the news cycle moved on. Sounds like the Feds took the right approach... just stay calm, no siege, no tactical team and snipers. Wait 'em out, make arrests as they move around.

..... and apply extreme force on one of the ringleaders to send the message that anti government terrorism will not be tolerated.

[Jayhad]

It's a shame they haven't all been charged with felony murder as they were in the commission of a crime when the one guy was shot, if they were any other colour.

[morphic]

Originally Posted by JustMe

Thank gawd they got the pinheads out of there without anyone else getting hurt. From what I read, one of the idiots was screaming for the authorities to kill him. What is wrong with these type of people? Rebels without a cause?

They definitely had a cause. Perhaps you should research it before trash talking them? Look up the Hammonds, the BLM, and listen to their views on the tyranny of government and the degradation of the first and second amendments.

Originally Posted by Jayhad

It's a shame they haven't all been charged with felony murder as they were in the commission of a crime when the one guy was shot, if they were any other colour.

They should be charged with felony murder for staging a peaceful protest?


The last 4 right now basically have to choose whether to surrender and be cucked and imprisoned, or to die. They had a congresswoman talking to them on the phone over livestream. She was obnoxious, patronizing, and sounded like she may have been working with the FBI. They also had a preacher who wanted them to pray every few minutes and may also have been working with the FBI. The two were trying to convince them to surrender with no real argument why. In the end their downfall was being scared of death. They should've stood by their actions; now they'll rot away in prison for a few years and be forgotten.

[JustMe]

Originally Posted by morphic

They definitely had a cause. Perhaps you should research it before trash talking them? Look up the Hammonds, the BLM, and listen to their views on the tyranny of government and the degradation of the first and second amendments.





They should be charged with felony murder for staging a peaceful protest?





The last 4 right now basically have to choose whether to surrender and be cucked and imprisoned, or to die. They had a congresswoman talking to them on the phone over livestream. She was obnoxious, patronizing, and sounded like she may have been working with the FBI. They also had a preacher who wanted them to pray every few minutes and may also have been working with the FBI. The two were trying to convince them to surrender with no real argument why. In the end their downfall was being scared of death. They should've stood by their actions; now they'll rot away in prison for a few years and be forgotten.

Their cause was wanting the US government to give them private lease rights on pubic reserve lands wasn't it, so the public would no longer have access? At least that's how I understood it.....

[Jayhad]

Originally Posted by morphic

They should be charged with felony murder for staging a peaceful protest?

A) They were in the commission of a crime when a death occurred, by definition they should be charged.

B) What part of an armed occupation of a federal building, while telling the authorities that they won't be taken alive is peaceful? If they wanted a peaceful protest they would have left their guns at home.

[Unregistered user]

Originally Posted by Jayhad

It's a shame they haven't all been charged with felony murder as they were in the commission of a crime when the one guy was shot, if they were any other colour.

When the feds killed Finicum?

[agentsmith]

Three of the four occupiers surrendered. The last remaining is David Fry, the guy behind the "Defend Your Base" YouTube channel who's been posting videos from the occupation.

David Fry refuses to surrender

David Fry, the final occupier at the refuge, is now refusing to surrender.

“Until my demands are met, I can’t come out ... I’m taking a stand. A stand means you’re willing to risk your life,” he said.

Asked what his demands are, he responded: “I’m trying to legitimately have a job ... I have a legit job. I’m paying taxes, but it’s going to abortion.”

“How long do you have to go on without your grievances being addressed?” Fry continued. “I should be able to opt out of certain taxes,” he later added.

At one point, he shouted: “I declare war against the federal government as a citizen of the constitution.”

Gavin Seim and activist Krisanne Hall, who is also on the call, are trying to calm him down.

Live stream of the conversation with him here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=616S8t9tek4

Sounds like this guy might martyr himself for a laundry list of vague demands that won't and can't be met.

[agentsmith]

Haha, he just said he's afraid of getting raped in prison, and the others on the line had to assure him that's unlikely.

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by agentsmith

Three of the four occupiers surrendered. The last remaining is David Fry, the guy behind the "Defend Your Base" YouTube channel who's been posting videos from the occupation.
Live stream of the conversation with him here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=616S8t9tek4

Sounds like this guy might martyr himself for a laundry list of vague demands that won't and can't be met.

What these people sound like are total religious whack jobs. The hypocrisy that they're doing it for Christ makes it ok with so many people astounds me.

[Jayhad]

Originally Posted by agentsmith

Haha, he just said he's afraid of getting raped in prison, and the others on the line had to assure him that's unlikely.

Haha, they are lying to him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ual-abuse.html

[JimPS]

It sounds like the last guy standing is a genuine religious terrorist willing to die for his opposition to abortion. Peace brother.

The others who turned themselves in were praying with a preacher every five minutes and were negotiating with a shill politician. They were too cowardly to die for their religion. Not terrorists - just dis-affected nut jobs.

These people sound more and more like bunch of anti government religious nut bars.

This incident should never ever have escalated to the point it did.

[agentsmith]

A few minutes ago they promised him pizza. Then he mentions he's holding a gun to his head, so they've been talking him down and telling him Jesus wouldn't approve. Now he just said all he wanted was marijuana and the government wouldn't even let him have that. This guy is all over the map.

[agentsmith]

Originally Posted by fitzy

What these people sound like are total religious whack jobs. The hypocrisy that they're doing it for Christ makes it ok with so many people astounds me.

[agentsmith]

Okay, now he just talked about how UFOs are real, and the government suppresses advanced technology. So yep, he's a nut.

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by agentsmith

Okay, now he just talked about how UFOs are real, and the government suppresses advanced technology. So yep, he's a nut.

Total whacko. I hope nobody takes these guys seriously.

[agentsmith]

Fry: "The government also needs to stop chemically mutating people." Silence on the other end of the line. Even they're at a loss with this nutjob.

A minute later he lights a cigarette. LOL.

[agentsmith]

Surprisingly, it's ended peacefully. Fry made people (the feds?) shout "hallelujah" then turned himself in.

[fitzy]

Guy should be in a hospital for the criminally retarded.

[morphic]

Originally Posted by fitzy

What these people sound like are total religious whack jobs. The hypocrisy that they're doing it for Christ makes it ok with so many people astounds me.

Is there some reason why you don't think religious should stand up for themselves? Should Christians all be passive in your opinion?

Originally Posted by JimPS

These people sound more and more like bunch of anti government religious nut bars.

Kind of like the nut jobs who wrote the American constitution? Are you pro-government?

[avb3]

Originally Posted by morphic

Is there some reason why you don't think religious should stand up for themselves? Should Christians all be passive in your opinion?

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Zorastrians and any other religion has NO business in the public sphere. Leave your religion at home or in your churches, synagogues, mosques or temples. Period.

In case you missed the emphasis. Period. There is no room for special pleading because of your choice of myth that rings your bell.

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by morphic

Is there some reason why you don't think religious should stand up for themselves? Should Christians all be passive in your opinion?

Actually that's a huge part of the Christian religion. Turn the other cheek Ect. The message of Jesus was all about peace, love and understanding. Standing up for yourself is one thing threating to shoot yourself because you don't agree with taxes is quite another.

Kind of like the nut jobs who wrote the American constitution? Are you pro-government?

The comparison of Ben Franklin to a sniveling brat who is threatening suicide because he can't have his way is ridiculous. This young man doesn't have a firm grasp on reality.

Did you listen to what he was saying?

So you hold these protestors and the father's of the Constitution of the US in the same regard?

[morphic]

Originally Posted by avb3

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Zorastrians and any other religion has NO business in the public sphere. Leave your religion at home or in your churches, synagogues, mosques or temples. Period.

In case you missed the emphasis. Period. There is no room for special pleading because of your choice of myth that rings your bell.

Their protest had nothing to do with religion. It was about the American government overstepping their bounds, being unconstitutional, verging on tyrannical.

The people doing the protest just happened to be religious.

Originally Posted by fitzy

The comparison of Ben Franklin to a sniveling brat who is threatening suicide because he can't have his way is ridiculous. This young man doesn't have a firm grasp on reality.

Did you listen to what he was saying?

So you hold these protestors and the father's of the Constitution of the US in the same regard?

I listened last night. Not this morning. The things they were saying were more-or-less correct. The two "negotiatiors" they were talking to kept bringing up religion and praying and reading from the Bible, almost as though they were trying to make a joke of it or make them seem crazy. It worked, and I won't claim they were the brightest people, but they were certainly a lot smarter than your BLM protesters.

[Jayhad]

Originally Posted by morphic

Is there some reason why you don't think religious should stand up for themselves? Should Christians all be passive in your opinion?

I'm pretty sure Christ made some comments on that one.
Matthew 5:39 Luke 6:29

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by morphic

Their protest had nothing to do with religion. It was about the American government overstepping their bounds, being unconstitutional, verging on tyrannical.

The people doing the protest just happened to be religious.


I listened last night. Not this morning. The things they were saying were more-or-less correct. The two "negotiatiors" they were talking to kept bringing up religion and praying and reading from the Bible, almost as though they were trying to make a joke of it or make them seem crazy. It worked, and I won't claim they were the brightest people, but they were certainly a lot smarter than your BLM protesters.

Give it a listen he doesn't come off well. Unless you're in the I believe in ufo camp too haha.

It is a Religious protest Ammon Bundy said he was there because God told to be there. He was there because God wasn't pleased with what was happening to the Hammonds and if it was allowed to continue there would be accountability.

I think the whole thing is ridiculous based on the fact that if it was a different religion there would be a completely different reaction.

As Avb3 said. Leave your religion at home where it belongs, it doesn't matter which one it is.

[traderal]

If they wanted to lease public land and not have anyone else have access then they should have come to Alberta and settled on ranchland near the foothills and collected money to boot. Would of been friends with the gubbermint.