Lunatic Parents found Guilty

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by shep dog

Mormons seem to spend a lot of time and effort keeping the "theology of their religion" secret to outsiders.

Makes you wonder what they have to hide...secret endowment ceremonies (if you're a "good" male mormon, you get to become a king on your own planet and the queens you invite along are completely at your discretion - sorry ladies, you have no say in the matter, being second class citizens and all), or secret baptisms for the deceased (hey, you're a mormon if we say you are, we'll just have a mormon get re-baptised in you're place - no matter that you're long dead and a non-believer, Albert Einstein for example).

"Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints can have a tendency to be highly educated." They can also have a tendency to be nutty.

Pure and simple: A 19-month-old child died for his parents' religious beliefs.

Even Joseph Smith couldn't explain this fact away.

It is amusing that you think Mormons are so secretive that they would spend 15 years in school to become doctors to hide the fact they are natural remedy pushers.

Oh and I forgot to mention pharmacists. A lot of southern Alberta pharmacists are LDS as well.

[roper1]

Originally Posted by chuck

Well that's all fine and dandy, but it sure isn't the theology of their religion (LDS). If we take into consideration their general location it is quite conceivable that if they had taken their child to a hospital in Magrath, Raymond, or Lethbridge the chances of them seeing an LDS doctor would be very high. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints can have a tendency to be highly educated. Many, many specialists (Dr.'s) in Lethbridge alone are LDS. Not to mention Nurses and other medical professionals. Try and see a dentist in Southern Alberta that isn't a Mormon. How could this be if they preach smoothies and natural remedies.

In addition, two of the Apostles of the church are accomplished heart surgeons one of them a major contributor to open heart surgery as we know it today.

Their religion had nothing to do with their misguided decisions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_M._Nelson

Chuck I have no problem with the religion, but how with that many really smart people in their community did these parents miss how obviously sick the child was??

If the comments that the father is credited with on social media are accurate, I honestly fear for their other children.

As an afterthought, I also hope they don't have pets.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by roper1

Chuck I have no problem with the religion, but how with that many really smart people in their community did these parents miss how obviously sick the child was??

If the comments that the father is credited with on social media are accurate, I honestly fear for their other children.

As an afterthought, I also hope they don't have pets.

Their religion has nothing to do with their belief in smoothies. Period.

[roper1]

Originally Posted by chuck

Their religion has nothing to do with their belief in smoothies. Period.

I understand that. Period.

Still a lot of unanswered questions.

[Grizzly Adams]

The Stephan's lawyer. Sounds like he's got his own dog in this fight. Puts a whole different spin on the entire case, surprised the Media hasn't picked up on this.

http://www.totalhealthshow.com/showI...fm?Speaker=208

Grizz

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

The Stephan's lawyer. Sounds like he's got his own dog in this fight. Puts a whole different spin on the entire case, surprised the Media hasn't picked up on this.

http://www.totalhealthshow.com/showI...fm?Speaker=208

Grizz

Because unless it's really simple to understand, and there is no real work involved, and they can sensationalize it to benefit their agenda, and it is as obvious as a Mac truck doing 100 miles an hour covered in disco balls, then they probably didn't figure it out.

[Artist]

https://www.facebook.com/david.stephan.568

[shep dog]

Originally Posted by chuck

It is amusing that you think Mormons are so secretive that they would spend 15 years in school to become doctors to hide the fact they are natural remedy pushers.

Oh and I forgot to mention pharmacists. A lot of southern Alberta pharmacists are LDS as well.

Lot's of deflection around here, circle the wagons. Typical.

Never said anything about mormon doctors being secretive about their education, or religion for that matter. Never said anything about mormon doctors secretly being "natural remedy pushers."

Keep deflecting. A dead boy at the hand of mormonism is hard to overlook, yes?

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by shep dog

Lot's of deflection around here, circle the wagons. Typical.

Never said anything about mormon doctors being secretive about their education, or religion for that matter. Never said anything about mormon doctors secretly being "natural remedy pushers."

Keep deflecting. A dead boy at the hand of mormonism is hard to overlook, yes?

Buddy, you are making noooooo sense. The Mormon church has no issue with modern medicine. Your agenda is showing.....

The parents neglect caused the death, and their belief in so thing other than Joseph Smith was the reason.

[shep dog]

Originally Posted by rem338win

Buddy, you are making noooooo sense. The Mormon church has no issue with modern medicine. Your agenda is showing.....

The parents neglect caused the death, and their belief in so thing other than Joseph Smith was the reason.

Understood. TY.

Yup, I'll admit to having an agenda.

Still, some interesting points...

[300magman]

Originally Posted by Artist

https://www.facebook.com/david.stephan.568

Wow, all the people commenting there seem so normal

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by 300magman

Wow, all the people commenting there seem so normal

Agreed, the lot of them are flakier than a convoy of Kellogg's products. I thought I was finished commenting on this thread but the public comments made by the convicted baby-killer inspired me to continue. The guy goes on to blame modern health care for killing more #'s than anything, which blatantly whitewashes over the fact that people who are in danger of death go for treatment and it's not always a success. The #'s successfully helped by our health care system is a shining example of its success, but this deluded homicidal twit views it as a failure that is conspiring to kill his kids. I'm betting he was vaccinated as a child though........ And that his probably aren't .

These maniacs think they're some kind of 'canaries in a coal mine' warning the deluded masses about all the things they view as being wrong with modern health care. They're clearly bat-crap crazy. Religion isn't enough for them so they continue their fanaticism into their all-encompassing hobby paranoia against medical science. Surely there's no profit motive with his soap box lectures because it's not like he's part owner of a natural supplement company or anything, oh wait a second.......

I wonder if they also think the earth is flat and have doubts about gravity......

Modern medical science certainly doesn't have the answers for everything, but it's at least independently verifiable and way more trustworthy than their un-proveable blind beliefs & paranoia's.

His steadfast adherence to his delusions about medicine is what killed his son, this is clear. The absence of a plastic tube when he finally gave up and decided to take a 'Hail Mary' with a 911 call isn't what killed his son, his son was killed by his & his wife's fanaticism.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/c...life-1.3556405

[JDK71]

they should go to jail they should get a break

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by 300magman

Wow, all the people commenting there seem so normal

The lack of comments on his Facebook page is FAR more telling than what is there.

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by chuck

The lack of comments on his Facebook page is FAR more telling than what is there.

Yep, edit out/block the 99.75% that are against him and leave in the 0.25% who think he's got a point.

[fargineyesore]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

Agreed, the lot of them are flakier than a convoy of Kellogg's products. I thought I was finished commenting on this thread but the public comments made by the convicted baby-killer inspired me to continue. The guy goes on to blame modern health care for killing more #'s than anything, which blatantly whitewashes over the fact that people who are in danger of death go for treatment and it's not always a success. The #'s successfully helped by our health care system is a shining example of its success, but this deluded homicidal twit views it as a failure that is conspiring to kill his kids. I'm betting he was vaccinated as a child though........ And that his probably aren't .

These maniacs think they're some kind of 'canaries in a coal mine' warning the deluded masses about all the things they view as being wrong with modern health care. They're clearly bat-crap crazy. Religion isn't enough for them so they continue their fanaticism into their all-encompassing hobby paranoia against medical science. Surely there's no profit motive with his soap box lectures because it's not like he's part owner of a natural supplement company or anything, oh wait a second.......

I wonder if they also think the earth is flat and have doubts about gravity......

Modern medical science certainly doesn't have the answers for everything, but it's at least independently verifiable and way more trustworthy than their un-proveable blind beliefs & paranoia's.

His steadfast adherence to his delusions about medicine is what killed his son, this is clear. The absence of a plastic tube when he finally gave up and decided to take a 'Hail Mary' with a 911 call isn't what killed his son, his son was killed by his & his wife's fanaticism.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/c...life-1.3556405

Homicidal, more interested in profit than his son's life? Really? You have a very warped view of people. They were certainly mistaken in their beliefs, and it obviously cost their son his life. But you are not satisfied with their grief, you want to lash out and punish them. Why? Make you feel better to think of the father in jail? How about doctors that make mistakes and cost people their lives. Should they be put in jail too, and don't even think of trying to tell me it does not happen.

[Purple Farmer]

[QUOTE=rem338win;3214989

The parents neglect caused the death, and their belief in so thing other than Joseph Smith was the reason.[/QUOTE]

Terribly true. RIP little one, you deserved so much more.

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by fargineyesore

Homicidal, more interested in profit than his son's life? Really? You have a very warped view of people. They were certainly mistaken in their beliefs, and it obviously cost their son his life. But you are not satisfied with their grief, you want to lash out and punish them. Why? Make you feel better to think of the father in jail? How about doctors that make mistakes and cost people their lives. Should they be put in jail too, and don't even think of trying to tell me it does not happen.

Damn right I'm upset. The guy still blames others for the predictable results of his own idiotic negligence. He didn't learn the extremely simple lesson that took his own child's death to teach. He's so programmed into his goofy belief system that his son dying didn't get through to him about how wrong he was (and continues to be). The guy is so gullible that I find it difficult to comprehend; its inconceivable to me that a person who went through Canadian grade school can be that freaking stupid.

[fargineyesore]

You can call him stupid all you want, and in some ways I don't disagree, but to accuse him of homicide and more interested in profits than his son's life I won't agree with.

[260 Rem]

Caber, folks like those negligent parents should be sending their kids to public schools. At least there is chance for their kids to be exposed to another point of view. Not too much chance for change if those kids are home schooled in a closed minded environment.

[fargineyesore]

Have you read the story about the Mountie that abused his little boy for years, in some cases burning his private parts with a barbeque lighter?

If you have where is your outrage here? Did you start this thread bash those that hold religious beliefs or don't agree with everything the established medical community does, or is it really out of concern for the child.

If concern for the child, why aren't you starting a thread about this sick Mountie and what he did? He's trying like hell to justify abusing this poor little boy, AND HE DID IT DELIBERATLEY!!!

Or is it because it's a cop that you are not outraged?

[fargineyesore]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

Caber, folks like those negligent parents should be sending their kids to public schools. At least there is chance for their kids to be exposed to another point of view. Not too much chance for change if those kids are home schooled in a closed minded environment.

Or private schools.

[Immigrant]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

Damn right I'm upset. The guy still blames others for the predictable results of his own idiotic negligence. He didn't learn the extremely simple lesson that took his own child's death to teach. He's so programmed into his goofy belief system that his son dying didn't get through to him about how wrong he was (and continues to be). The guy is so gullible that I find it difficult to comprehend; its inconceivable to me that a person who went through Canadian grade school can be that freaking stupid.

I am with Caber on this. I think in their mind they did nothing wrong and try to shift the blame. I think when they are faced with the same situation they will again rely on witchcraft to "cure" their sick child.
I feel so sorry for that poor child. I cannot imagine the physical pain he had to go through while the people that should have protected him trusted snake oil to save him.

[CaberTosser]

Not my favorite publication, but the article touches on many good points regarding this case:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...n-dimanno.html

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

Damn right I'm upset. The guy still blames others for the predictable results of his own idiotic negligence. He didn't learn the extremely simple lesson that took his own child's death to teach. He's so programmed into his goofy belief system that his son dying didn't get through to him about how wrong he was (and continues to be). The guy is so gullible that I find it difficult to comprehend; its inconceivable to me that a person who went through Canadian grade school can be that freaking stupid.

I think there is more to this story than meets the eye. Little tidbits I get say he and his father are deeply involved in the the "Natural Cure" business. The lawyer in question battled Health Canada and won, allowing them to sell their crap. This guy is up to his eyebrows in pseudoscience and he ain't gonna change.

Grizz

[rem338win]

Caber you're coming across as a person as off the rails as they are.

It's perfectly fine to have emotions and feel upset, but your coming across as a person fully driven and directed by them. Nothing good comes of that and I'd suggest you stop reading anymore of the stuff related to the case.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

I think there is more to this story than meets the eye. Little tidbits I get say he and his father are deeply involved in the the "Natural Cure" business. The lawyer in question battled Health Canada and won, allowing them to sell their crap. This guy is up to his eyebrows in pseudoscience and he ain't gonna change.

Grizz

Anything you can share? That would be a very, very enlightening series of facts to say the least.

I'm all for the freedom to sell and use natural care products. Heck, I use a bunch myself and many work. When I break my leg though I tend to seek out a hospital and antibiotics just to be prudent. Walking is good and gangrene is a kick in the knackers.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

Caber, folks like those negligent parents should be sending their kids to public schools. At least there is chance for their kids to be exposed to another point of view. Not too much chance for change if those kids are home schooled in a closed minded environment.

Because public schools aren't closed minded. Riiiiiiiiight......

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by rem338win

Caber you're coming across as a person as off the rails as they are.

It's perfectly fine to have emotions and feel upset, but your coming across as a person fully driven and directed by them. Nothing good comes of that and I'd suggest you stop reading anymore of the stuff related to the case.

I'm vastly more logical than that cult member. Why do you care if I'm venting towards a convicted child-killer anyways? FYI: directing me to muzzle on the subject will have quite the opposite effect so I'll suggest that perhaps you stop reading what I write if its upsetting to you.

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

All the jabbering about people different opinions on this topic are funny. My genuine interest is for the little man that was murdered and I believe that's why this thread was posted. One person here is no better than the parents as far as I'm concerned.