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Thanks, Trump. This is why we all will get Hillary.
It is virtually impossible for Trump to win the general election, even if he gets the majority of the votes, because that is not how the US election system works. He needs to get the majority of the electoral college, and that is highly unlikely to happen.
This article explains why.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-donald-trump/
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Yup, what I've been saying all along. If Trump wins primary, Hillary is the next president. And if Trump is somehow, miraculously the President, it isn't really any better. What a horrible election year, when those are the best candidates for President they can come up with. My good friend in NY summed it up well when he told me 'the Spite vote is strong this year'. Reminds me of our Provincial election.
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So after reading the article why blame Trump?
Many Republicans — particularly in Washington — are already preparing to blame a loss this fall, which many of them view as inevitable, on the divisiveness of Trump. That's not entirely fair to Trump, though.
While his dismal numbers among women and Hispanics, to name two groups, don't help matters and could — in a worst-case scenario for Republicans — put states such as Arizona and even Utah in play for Democrats, the map problems that face the GOP have very, very little to do with Trump or even Cruz.
Less than 4 years ago, plain old milquetoast Romney blew the election after being heralded by the establishment Republicans as the second coming of Christ. And 4 years before that War Hero and rebel John McCain came up way short. Another Republican with the full backing of the establishment.
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05-09-2016, 01:09 PM
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Not really news...this is how lame duck Barry won. There is no good end result for this year: a dictator who will almost immediately lose control of congress, or a criminal continuation of the current regime that won't regain control. 4 more years of paddling around the pond while the shoreline burns.
The usa is broken. We aren't fairing much better.
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So after reading the article why blame Trump?
Many Republicans — particularly in Washington — are already preparing to blame a loss this fall, which many of them view as inevitable, on the divisiveness of Trump. That's not entirely fair to Trump, though.
While his dismal numbers among women and Hispanics, to name two groups, don't help matters and could — in a worst-case scenario for Republicans — put states such as Arizona and even Utah in play for Democrats, the map problems that face the GOP have very, very little to do with Trump or even Cruz.
Less than 4 years ago, plain old milquetoast Romney blew the election after being heralded by the establishment Republicans as the second coming of Christ.
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It also outlines the roadmap that the GOP did back after the 2012 election was ignored. It was a well thought out strategic plan, that the Trump spanner threw a kink into.
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05-09-2016, 02:11 PM
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Trump keeps proving the experts wrong, this will be no different.
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Trump keeps proving the experts wrong, this will be no different.
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I have to say, I'm not the biggest Trump fan...he's kind of annoying. But I am really enjoying seeing him making all these political insiders eat their words. I really hope he pulls it off and gets in. And I hope he turns the whole place inside out...be nice to see all the rats scurrying around. (I know...getting my hopes up)
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This is what happens when you have a bunch of politicians who've lost touch with the electorate, gonna be a worrisome time, no matter who wins.
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05-09-2016, 02:38 PM
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Can't blame Trump, they threw a bunch of different candidates against him, he still won. People had clear choices. Just like in AB, i see a protest vote coming. Maybe the electoral collage will stop him. Time will tell.
I think if he is President, other world leaders will sit up and take notice rather quick that someone with a spine is now at the helm. Good or bad, i like what he is doing as far as shaking things up. It's fun to see all my lefty FB friends losing their minds over a possible president Trump.
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Still a lot of time left for Trump to chill a little and gain some support. I am worried about both candidates, but part of me wants President Trump...
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05-09-2016, 02:59 PM
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Can't blame Trump, they threw a bunch of different candidates against him, he still won. People had clear choices. Just like in AB, i see a protest vote coming. Maybe the electoral collage will stop him. Time will tell.
I think if he is President, other world leaders will sit up and take notice rather quick that someone with a spine is now at the helm. Good or bad, i like what he is doing as far as shaking things up. It's fun to see all my lefty FB friends losing their minds over a possible president Trump.
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Not just your lefty friends, my long term Republican neighbors down in Florida are scared chitless. They are not happy.
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05-09-2016, 03:15 PM
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If Trump does not become Pres, it is likely no more than a reflection that political preferences throughout North America have coalesced around the center.
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Ruga nailed it perfectly....cant wait to watch the rats scurry as Trump rattles the cage....if he survives all of this. I also love watching all the butt hurt 'never Trump'ers just getting dumber and dumber as they struggle to explain why hes so popular. Breath of fresh air in my opinion....I think people have such a hard time explaining his popularity because they are just so used to the cookie cutter puppets that have been their only choice for President for decades.
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05-09-2016, 03:41 PM
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If Trump does not become Pres, it is likely no more than a reflection that political preferences throughout North America have coalesced around the center.
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I have to agree with you. I think it clearly demonstrates how the centre has moved left in the last 30 or more years. (as one would expect given that voters typically demand more and more welfare from their government with the passage of time)
I think you could easily argue that many of Trump's policies are relatively liberal and his broad appeal to union's etc just might carry the day in the rust belt. Time will tell. Really interesting election year coming up.
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05-09-2016, 04:35 PM
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Ive been reading through this thread with great interest. And- I do offer an observation here that is far beyond analysis and political rhetoric and opinion.
What Donald Trump has done is masterfully stunning, brilliant and historically sobering. Not only has he "schooled" the media and made them his slave but he is in the process of doing this to an entire political party (republican). All without recieving massive donations from special interest groups, praise from political pundits and the the fawning bias of media. He has escaped the abyss of popular ruination.
Donald Trump has capitilaized on the gap that exists between the american public and professional politicians. He has become the champion of the average American. Hillary will not stop him......Washington will not stop him......the electoral mumbo jumbo will not stop him....the republican party will not stop him.....The white house wont stop him, congress wont stop him, the speaker of the house wont stop him, previous presidents wont stop him, the left wont stop him, the right wont stop him........he is unstoppable. He has systematically removed all competition and has had the largest voter turnout (primary) in history.
Regardless of what you think about the policies, debates, rallies, interviews, mis- quotes, analysis, photo ops, reviews......ad nauseum. It simply doesn't matter.
Donald Trump has done what no other figure has ever done in the history of American politics.
He has awoken the sleeping giant: The sick and tired American people.
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Ive been reading through this thread with great interest. And- I do have an opinion here that is far beyond analysis and political rhetoric.
What Donald Trump has done is masterfully stunning, brilliant and historically sobering. Not only has he "schooled" the media and made them his slave but he is in the process of doing this to an entire political party (republican). All without recieving massive donations from special interest groups, praise from political pundits and the the fawning bias of media. He has escaped the abyss of popular ruination.
Donald Trump has capitilaized on the gap that exists between the american public and professional politicians. He has become the champion of the average American. Hillary will not stop him......Washington will not stop him......the electoral mumbo jumbo will not stop him....the republican party will not stop him.....The white house wont stop him, congress wont stop him, the speaker of the house wont stop him, previous presidents wont stop him, the left wont stop him, the right wont stop him........he is unstoppable. He has systematically removed all competition and has had the largest voter turnout (primary) in history.
Regardless of what you think about the policies, debates, rallies, interviews, mis- quotes, analysis, photo ops, reviews......ad nauseum. It simply doesn't matter.
Donald Trump has done what no other figure has ever done in the history of American politics.
He has awoken the sleeping giant: The sick and tired American people.
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Herr Schickelgruber woke up about 35% of the German people at one point, about the same number that support Trump. Not sure if that is a great endorsement.
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Really?
Hmmmm. Trump elimanting every other republican presidental nominee with only 35%?
Sounds like some of the ubiquitous liberal media in America. Everyone's desperate to try to figure out "whats happening?"......Lol
 ......just what we need.....more analysis
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Really?
Hmmmm. Trump elimanting every other republican presidental nominee with just 35%?.
Sounds like some of the ubiquitous liberal media in America. Everyones desperate to try to figure out "whats happening?"......Lol
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I was referring to the overall support he has with ALL Americans, not just the special interests he appeals to.
See the first chart I linked to:
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05-09-2016, 05:54 PM
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Herr Schickelgruber woke up about 35% of the German people at one point, about the same number that support Trump. Not sure if that is a great endorsement.
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My thoughts exactly reading that post. What we learn from history, is that we do not learn from history.
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Herr Schickelgruber woke up about 35% of the German people at one point, about the same number that support Trump. Not sure if that is a great endorsement.
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I'm 100% sure that is a ridiculous comparison.
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05-09-2016, 06:37 PM
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I'm 100% sure that is a ridiculous comparison.
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You forget that I actually went to a Trump rally, and heard and saw what the people who were around my thought. It's scary, and Trump is playing to that.
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05-09-2016, 06:41 PM
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You forget that I actually went to a Trump rally, and heard and saw what the people who were around my thought. It's scary, and Trump is playing to that.
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I didn't forget.
Democracy is only scary when they choose the other guy.
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I am 100% sure that both Hilary and Trump are very bad ideas. Like two people seeing who can jump from Vancouver to Hawaii; one might jump closer than the other but reality is neither come close.
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I didn't forget.
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Isn't that the truth.
Record turnout and support for Trump. Called democracy.
Trump is not THE problem, he is a symptom of the problem. So when the GOP ,Hillary, and others point at Trump they should look in the mirror.
Canadians don't need to criticize Trump and the US system after what they elected in 2015
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I was referring to the overall support he has with ALL Americans, not just the special interests he appeals to.
See the first chart I linked to:
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Looks like Sanders has the most support??
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05-09-2016, 07:53 PM
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I have to say, I'm not the biggest Trump fan...he's kind of annoying. But I am really enjoying seeing him making all these political insiders eat their words. I really hope he pulls it off and gets in. And I hope he turns the whole place inside out...be nice to see all the rats scurrying around. (I know...getting my hopes up)
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I am with you all the way on the thought. Even though I don't understand why he says what he says sometimes. But what Hillary would and already has done to that country there is no way in hell I would vote her In.  Trump all away I hope it turns out place completely upside down and does good.
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You forget that I actually went to a Trump rally, and heard and saw what the people who were around my thought. It's scary, and Trump is playing to that.
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Yes, we are quite aware of your trip to see Trump.....Many times now...
Your observation is duelly noted 
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I was referring to the overall support he has with ALL Americans, not just the special interests he appeals to.
See the first chart I linked to:
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This polling in this election really means nothing. I honestly did not think trump would win the nomination but he did. By this polling Sanders should be the front runner but he is not and will not win the democratic nomination. There are a lot of uneducated Americans that will vote name recognition which is Hillary Clinton and Donald trump. They are going to tear each other apart and Trump will win that battle. Plus trump is already starting to flop on some of his policies. However if you really want to know the deciding factor of who will win it will be decided by who else jumps in the race. If it's a democrat Trump wins. If it's a republican Hilary wins.
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Many wealthy Republican Cruze and Bush supporters are so fearful that Trump will end their military-industrial complex gravy train that they are now giving millions dollars to Clinton's campaign.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...arys-campaign/
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