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05-13-2018, 09:31 AM
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Federal Fusion on elk/moose
Looking for experience with the Federal Fusion 180 grain from the 30.06, but welcome all information.
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05-13-2018, 09:34 AM
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It’s a 180 leaving the muzzle below 2800 FPS. As will most every other 180 out there. The caveat is how do they shoot outta your rifle?
It’ll work just fine, if you do your part.
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05-13-2018, 10:59 AM
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Thanks for the reply, I will give some a go.
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05-13-2018, 11:12 AM
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used a 180 grain fusion out of 7mm mag last year on a cow moose . Down within 50 yards from 300 yards . I like them so far
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05-13-2018, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by marlin1
used a 180 grain fusion out of 7mm mag last year on a cow moose . Down within 50 yards from 300 yards . I like them so far
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I think you need to go re read what you used.
It was a 175.......
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05-13-2018, 12:24 PM
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I shot two cow elk using Fusions out of my 270, the first was a 130gr and the second was a 150gr. Both shoot well out of my Tikka T3 Featherlite with the 150's grouping slightly better. I recovered one bullet (the 130gr shot from aprox 100m) and weight retention was 86% after punching through one rib a little on the high side through the tops of both lungs and another rib before sticking in the hide on the far side. I find they perform really well on everything I've shot with them. The plus side being that they are relatively inexpensive so I don't hesitate to shoot hem lots(2-3 boxes per year) which in turn means you're more likely to put the bullet in the right place.
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05-13-2018, 01:03 PM
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180 Fusions will do just fine if you do your part.I shot a bull elk with 30-06 165gr Fusion a few years ago,head on chest shot at the neck crease/centered between front legs from 75-80yards(?)......DRT,tipped over and never took another step.
In fairness though.....pretty much any bullet from a 30-06 is gonna produce the same result with that shot placement,its likely my favourite/preferred shot placement on deer,it's simply devastating to internals and they just tip over on the spot and barely flinch in my experiences.
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05-13-2018, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dick284
I think you need to go re read what you used.
It was a 175.......
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sorry my mistake , yes it was a 175
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05-13-2018, 08:11 PM
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I shot 1 bull elk with Fusions out of my 338, the bullet exploded on the shoulder....won't use them again on elk or moose sized game. I think if you read the box they say that they are good for thin skinned game.
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05-13-2018, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CanuckShooter
I shot 1 bull elk with Fusions out of my 338, the bullet exploded on the shoulder....won't use them again on elk or moose sized game. I think if you read the box they say that they are good for thin skinned game.
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Got any pics to support this story?
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05-13-2018, 09:13 PM
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Are premium bullets really that much more money?
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05-13-2018, 09:17 PM
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Im betting if you googled any bullet you will be able to find any bullet failed at some point. I've yet to see one not kill what I'm shooting at.
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05-13-2018, 09:18 PM
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Thin skinned?????
I call an Elk a thin skinned animal.....
Big Bull Moose. 50 meters quartering away 130 fusion out 270 WSM ( before o started loading my own for it ).
Shot through the boiler room. Dropped instantly. Found the bullet under the skin after getting through 2 ribs. 112 gr. left.
They grouped very well on the range.
I have found premium bullets that did not perform as well.
I would hunt with them if I did not reload.
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05-15-2018, 07:50 AM
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165 gr fusions
I used to use them,165’s out of my 30-06.
I shot a big wt buck at about 40 yards slightly quartering away. I thought it was a gimmie. I shot him square in the shoulder to anchor him. It did not. He bolted and was running away. I took another shot as he was headed for property I didnt have permission on. I dont like running shots but it was a 100 yards or so and I trust myself. Any way that shot entered his hip, went completely through his body and out the front shoulder.
I recovered both bullets. Ill post a picture of them lster, theyre in my tool box at work. The first was lodged in armpit of broken shoulder. It was just a shell and what looks like molten lead. The second i recovered from off shoulder under the hide. It wasa perfect specimen of what a mushroomed bullet should be. I got a broken hip, two broken shoulders anda lot of burger from that deer. I called Federal and spoke to their guy there and he chalked it up to being too close, and someties it happens. Didnt want to see bullets or anything. I now use partitions and have been much happeier. Pics soon.
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05-15-2018, 08:05 AM
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might be a bit much to say fusions are the newer partition but they lean more than way than the frangible bullet way...tough bullet, more delayed expansion qualities many would want for larger tougher game and deeper penetration, from my experience with them in .270 and .243, very effective, everything died no sweat and i prefer more frangible bullets fyi, i think after 300 yards they don't expand enough really, 0-300 typical hunting situations you cannot go wrong...and they are typically accurate af!
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05-15-2018, 09:51 AM
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Fusion pics
Here are the pictures,you can see the first shot vs the second shot.
They are accurate though.
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05-15-2018, 10:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Skatchewan
Looking for experience with the Federal Fusion 180 grain from the 30.06, but welcome all information.
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They will work just fine,
So will Federal blue box, Winchester superX, Remington core Loct and about any other 150 or 180 grn bullet from a 30-06,,,
As long as the bullet hits a vital spot,
Placement is key
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05-15-2018, 09:07 PM
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5 years ago I had three that didn’t expand on a moose. Thought I kept missing but the bull had 3 clean holes right through him. Never found the lead.
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05-15-2018, 11:08 PM
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I have used Federal Fusion on both Elk and Moose. Moose was at about 50 yards, 30-06 in 180 grain. Moose dropped like a sheet of plywood on the spot.
Elk was shot with 7mm Rem Mag in 175 grain at about 10 yards. The 7mm Rem Mag bullet reacted like a hand grenade and I believe I was lucky to recovered the Elk at about 100 yards. Both shots were broadside lung shots with no shoulder hit.
I think the Fusion was not designed for as 10 yard hit with 7mm Rem Mag velocities.
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05-15-2018, 11:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick284
It’s a 180 leaving the muzzle below 2800 FPS. As will most every other 180 out there. The caveat is how do they shoot outta your rifle?
It’ll work just fine, if you do your part.
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Bingo. Only took half a box for me to determine no good.
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05-16-2018, 10:16 AM
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Shot an Eland with them in a 300 win Mag. 180 gr. Worked like a charm and perfect mushroom when recovered. Good Penetration as well. If you ever have seen the size of an Eland you would be sold on those bullets.
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05-16-2018, 11:11 AM
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Bullets
Three moose an seven bull elk with .270 130 grain an dozens of deer
In the federal fusion. One moose an a few elk with a .300wsm in a 180 grain
Most of the bullets were recovered just under the skin on the oppisit side. They are all my family have used in the last dosen years or so.
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05-16-2018, 08:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick284
Got any pics to support this story?
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Pics? No, just telling my experience. I shot the bull high in the shoulder, from the bullet entry to the spine was like hamburger, but no big hole in spine and no exit hole. As with most bullets there will be those that had the exact opposite experience.
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05-16-2018, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CanuckShooter
Pics? No, just telling my experience. I shot the bull high in the shoulder, from the bullet entry to the spine was like hamburger, but no big hole in spine and no exit hole. As with most bullets there will be those that had the exact opposite experience.
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Sounds like it did its job just perfectly. Not a big hole because it held together and if everything was hamburger around it then it can't do more damage than that.
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05-16-2018, 09:18 PM
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Shot a 52" bull moose at maybe 15-20 yards with a 7-08 and federal fusions. First shot was high in the shoulder and the moose dropped in his tracks. Bullet must have hit the spine and bounced back down the leg as the bone above the knee joint was absolute mush. It did take a few more shots to the neck to finish it off though. Muzzle velocity was 2850 with 140 grain bullets.
I reload with Barnes TTSX now but if I had to buy factory ammo I'd buy fusions.
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05-19-2018, 10:08 AM
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Thanks for all the replies guys!
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05-19-2018, 10:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainTi
Are premium bullets really that much more money?
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Actually I reload, currently Interbonds for moose and elk.
The cost has nothing to do with my question.
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05-19-2018, 10:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tullfan
Here are the pictures,you can see the first shot vs the second shot.
They are accurate though.
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Thanks very much, great pics.
A little disturbed at the inconsistency.
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05-19-2018, 11:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Skatchewan
Actually I reload, currently Interbonds for moose and elk.
The cost has nothing to do with my question.
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It was a rhetorical question (Spend the extra few $'s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skatchewan
Thanks very much, great pics.
A little disturbed at the inconsistency.
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Think you have your answer
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05-20-2018, 01:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainTi
It was a rhetorical question (Spend the extra few $'s)
Think you have your answer
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I think so.
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