Covid Second Wave... a comparison to the 1918 Spanish Flu

[jeprli]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Trudeau is a puppet who doesn’t even know he’s being handled, lol!


The guy I got my information from is a self made millionaire who is worth likely close to $100 million dollars, his friends that we were discussing this with are doctors and engineers, very intelligent and level headed men in their 50’s and 60’s. These men didn’t get to where they were by being naive and gullible, most of them had lived through civil wars in their home countries, they have insight you have only read about.

I was in your camp, I thought a couple of my friends were taking too many trips to fire and flower, but I spent a few days with people who do business world wide on a daily basis, I listened to them lay out how things will go down. It was spring when I was with them learning about how world politics work. The Rothschilds aren’t a conspiracy theory, the world bank isn’t a conspiracy theory, and if you think it’s a coincidence that all he’ll started breaking loose all at once you’re mistaken. If I have to pick who I’m going to trust on this, you or them, it’s definitely the guys with real world experience. I really could care less how right you think you are, I know what’s going on and what’s coming. If you think the media is an unbiased source of information you need to look into our history. I’ll help you out, sleuth 101, follow the money. Start at your paycheck and work all the way back to the source. Once you find the source you’re going to find out who has the power. Once you find out who has the power, learn who they are. Once you find out who they are, their history. They have funded both sides of pretty much every war fought over the past 200 years, think about that. If you’re the one funding the war, you can control the outcome. It sounds crazy right? You seem to like to investigate things, just for laughs look into what I’m talking about, dig deep and make your own decision. You might think twice about getting the implant, but their will be plenty in you group who trust what you’re government tells you to do.

So true but hard to accept for many until it hits them in the face. If you try and explain you're automatically withdrawn from discussions and labeled as crazy or grossly misinformed. You live and you learn, as the saying goes.

[Smoky buck]

All this thread has shown me is it’s still a complete waste of time discussing COVID on AO

you boys and girls have fun I am done

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's all a big conspiracy but I certainly see why many may think it is.

This whole way of looking at conspiracy theory's seems foolish to me.

We all know conspiracies can be real and we all know some theories have been proven to be true.

To suggest that all conspiracy theories are nonsense is in of itself, nonsense.

Every last political scandal was claimed to be nothing more then a conspiracy theory until proven to be fact.

I believe it is a nuance maybe?

When is a scandal a scandal and when is a conspiracy a conspiracy.

Is the SNC lavilin mess a scandal or conspiracy?

Is the We Charity issue a scandal or conspiracy?

As so rightly put...

Claiming a world conspiracy is propagated by one religious group...if that is what Kurt is suggesting... well that is even sadder and I am sadly clueless on missing that...most likely because I don't run into anti-Semites often I guess.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Smokey

Article is July 27th. Read the articles since then.

Less then 100 deaths in 4 months. Economy not destroyed.

Each geographical area has their characteristics, Sweden is more spread out, but even then they never closed anything. No Pandemic and little fear.

Actually the first one I put in was Oct 14, 2020...today. You apparently did not read the most recent one then?

the other was just an interesting read

BY KELLY BJORKLUND AND ANDREW EWING OCTOBER 14, 2020 5:00 AM EDT
Kelly Bjorklund is a writer and human rights activist who has worked on public policy and advocacy with elected officials, civil society and media for two decades.
Andrew Ewing is a professor of molecular biology and chemistry at the University of Gothenburg and a member of the Swedish Academy of Sciences.

[KinAlberta]

Herd immunity seems somewhat like saying: Let those terrorists keep attacking. Eventually they will get tired or run out of bombs and ammo.

Herd immunity: Scientists say Trump-endorsed COVID strategy is deadly

...
“But the idea leaves most epidemiologists both appalled and incredulous.

"It's just ridiculous," said Dr. Yvonne Maldonado, an epidemiologist and infectious disease specialist at Stanford University Medical School. "Everything they say (in the declaration) is either misinformation or an outright lie." she said.
...


Herd immunity can't work for several reasons, Maldonado said. First, no one yet knows how long someone who’s had COVID-19 remains immune.

“We know that the natural history of coronavirus infections is that people can get reinfected over and over again,” she said. In one recent, well documented case, ....

The idea that it’s even possible to isolate high-risk people also is absurd, she said.

“Over 40% of the U.S. population has some risk. I don’t know how you are going to keep 40% of the population away from the other 60%,” she said.

...



The Lancet letter, called the "John Snow Memorandum," notes countries that have mounted a robust public health response to the virus, including Japan, Vietnam and New Zealand, have effectively controlled transmission. “



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ly/3655134001/

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

I believe it is a nuance maybe?

When is a scandal a scandal and when is a conspiracy a conspiracy.

Is the SNC lavilin mess a scandal or conspiracy?

Is the We Charity issue a scandal or conspiracy?

As so rightly put...

Claiming a world conspiracy is propagated by one religious group...if that is what Kurt is suggesting... well that is even sadder and I am sadly clueless on missing that...most likely because I don't run into anti-Semites often I guess.

Maybe I missed something but I didn't see anything anti Semitic in anything he said.

Maybe because I tend to think all AO members are decent level headed individuals, with a couple of notable exceptions.

Most of the time I like what you post and in general respect your wisdom. I think you nailed it when you say it's a matter of nuance.

For that reason alone I never dismiss anyone's opinions.
I may disagree with their assertions but only after giving it careful thought.

I think Kurt is probably a pretty decent guy and it actually bothers me to see him under attack for what may well be a misunderstanding. A nuance.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by KinAlberta

Herd immunity seems somewhat like saying: Let those terrorists keep attacking. Eventually they will get tired or run out of bombs and ammo.

Some times it pays to take note of how things are said.

She says 40% have some risk, not that 40% are high risk, then she suggests that those 40% are high risk.

“Over 40% of the U.S. population has some risk. I don’t know how you are going to keep 40% of the population away from the other 60%,” she said.

Why?

Well most likely she doesn't want to get caught lying because she knows that 40% are not high risk and not candidates for special protection. But she wants us to think they are.

This is the sort of thing that fuels conspiracy theories.

It's obvious she is trying to deceive us, the question is why.

It also leaves guys like me wondering who can we believe.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

Maybe I missed something but I didn't see anything anti Semitic in anything he said.

Maybe because I tend to think all AO members are decent level headed individuals, with a couple of notable exceptions.

Most of the time I like what you post and in general respect your wisdom. I think you nailed it when you say it's a matter of nuance.

For that reason alone I never dismiss anyone's opinions.
I may disagree with their assertions but only after giving it careful thought.

I think Kurt is probably a pretty decent guy and it actually bothers me to see him under attack for what may well be a misunderstanding. A nuance.

I truly appreciate the concern but don’t worry about me Keg, I’ve got big shoulders. I consider the source of my aggravation and really could care less what their opinion is. I can’t make people understand what’s going on if they’re not willing to look past their own ego and I’m totally ok with that. I guess we’ll see what happens.

[HVA7mm]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

But they are super rich foreigners so know more about Canada than I.

Originally Posted by HVA7mm

It's highly unlikely that anybody knows more than you, LOL.

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

All in jest of course. I had to laugh because I suffer from the same thing from time to time, well maybe most times.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by HVA7mm

All in jest of course. I had to laugh because I suffer from the same thing from time to time, well maybe most times.

All’s good.

If you take yourself too seriously...well...life is too short as it is.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

Maybe I missed something but I didn't see anything anti Semitic in anything he said.

Maybe because I tend to think all AO members are decent level headed individuals, with a couple of notable exceptions.

Most of the time I like what you post and in general respect your wisdom. I think you nailed it when you say it's a matter of nuance.

For that reason alone I never dismiss anyone's opinions.
I may disagree with their assertions but only after giving it careful thought.

I think Kurt is probably a pretty decent guy and it actually bothers me to see him under attack for what may well be a misunderstanding. A nuance.

It came up in other responses.

I believe the “world order” “globalist” “Rothschilds” conspiracy is 100% founded in anti-Semitic racism.

Kurt...if you are that naive that you don’t realize you millionaire “friends” are racists then not sure you are paying attention to the basis of your arguments you have written down.

It is fact.

Others noticed it and called it out. Cudos to them for saying something for allowing racism to go unchallenged is very wrong.

[obsessed1]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

It came up in other responses.

I believe the “world order” “globalist” “Rothschilds” conspiracy is 100% founded in anti-Semitic racism.

Kurt...if you are that naive that you don’t realize you millionaire “friends” are racists then not sure you are paying attention to the basis of your arguments you have written down.

It is fact.

Others noticed it and called it out. Cudos to them for saying something for allowing racism to go unchallenged is very wrong.

How very 2020......argue over a flu then scream racist... Your really too much

[roper1]

Originally Posted by obsessed1

How very 2020......argue over a flu then scream racist... Your really too much

Beat me to it. Who goes around life really trying to figure who the racists are? like it would affect us or matter a tinker's damn

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by obsessed1

How very 2020......argue over a flu then scream racist... Your really too much

Do you not understand the connection.

The thread was about comparing the charts of Spanish flu versus Covid.

A few have brought up a racist based conspiracy theory.

That is a fact. That theory is based in racism. Look online.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

It came up in other responses.

I believe the “world order” “globalist” “Rothschilds” conspiracy is 100% founded in anti-Semitic racism.

Kurt...if you are that naive that you don’t realize you millionaire “friends” are racists then not sure you are paying attention to the basis of your arguments you have written down.

It is fact.

Others noticed it and called it out. Cudos to them for saying something for allowing racism to go unchallenged is very wrong.

Well it’s a good thing for you that we have rules on posting here, otherwise this response would be a few words longer.

You and your infinite wisdom calling a heart surgeon and two other icu Doctors from the mazinkowski heart institute, along with a few other really great men whom I know personally and consider friends racists, even though you’ve never met them, nor have you any idea as to the context of our conversation. Certainly is a good testament to your character. You may be the greatest man to ever grace the soil of the earth but trust me, it’s only in your eyes, something I know you can’t believe. The men you just insulted would still give you the shirt off their back and shoes off their feet because that’s who they are.

I don’t know.... how many time have you been accused of knowing everything? Is it just something that happens here on a regular basis or does this happen to you everywhere? Just curious.

[WildBillG]

You know Kurt 505 I don't think Sundancefisher could understand what others know. It sounds like your friends have a firm grasp of what is going on in the rest of the world and Canada. Every thing you have said about the few rich families is true. It seems like the boy who likes to lie in the grass with Justin and smoke weed just can't grasp it.
Covid is real it is a real test to see just how far those in power can push us. It looks like we can be pushed as far as they want to push us. If wearing a tin foil hat will keep me and my family safe then I guess I will get one. Some have mocked me about man made flus . Could they please tell me then how long did they test those vaccines. Better yet how could they test them. They have a new vaccine every year for a different flu. It is almost like they knew what is coming some how.
It is a shame that some thing like Covid is dividing a group of people with bigger problems on their plates. Our real concern should be how can we put an end to all of the gun control garbage that is being rammed down our throats. To me at least it is a much larger concern.

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

Gotta be strong because we ain’t got a choice. As a born and raised Albertan the fudgery has become to strong for this cowboy beater. I’m skipping dodge to become a rough rider fan.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by WildBillG

You know Kurt 505 I don't think Sundancefisher could understand what others know. It sounds like your friends have a firm grasp of what is going on in the rest of the world and Canada. Every thing you have said about the few rich families is true. It seems like the boy who likes to lie in the grass with Justin and smoke weed just can't grasp it.
Covid is real it is a real test to see just how far those in power can push us. It looks like we can be pushed as far as they want to push us. If wearing a tin foil hat will keep me and my family safe then I guess I will get one. Some have mocked me about man made flus . Could they please tell me then how long did they test those vaccines. Better yet how could they test them. They have a new vaccine every year for a different flu. It is almost like they knew what is coming some how.
It is a shame that some thing like Covid is dividing a group of people with bigger problems on their plates. Our real concern should be how can we put an end to all of the gun control garbage that is being rammed down our throats. To me at least it is a much larger concern.

You have to lose your delusionsry world and read up on real news and not click bait.

I get it. You don’t want to have your eyes opened but here is how vaccines are made each year.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/vaccine-selection.htm

Selecting Viruses for the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine
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The seasonal influenza (flu) vaccine is designed to protect against the three or four influenza viruses research indicates are most likely to spread and cause illness among people during the upcoming flu season. Flu viruses are constantly changing, so the vaccine composition is reviewed each year and updated as needed based on which influenza viruses are making people sick, the extent to which those viruses are spreading, and how well the previous season’s vaccine protects against those viruses.

More than 100 national influenza centers in over 100 countries conduct year-round surveillance for influenza. This involves receiving and testing thousands of influenza virus samples from patients. The laboratories send representative viruses to five World Health Organization (WHO) Collaborating Centers for Reference and Research on Influenza, which are located in the following places:

Atlanta, Georgia, USA (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, CDC);
London, United Kingdom (The Francis Crick Institute);
Melbourne, Australia (Victoria Infectious Diseases Reference Laboratory);
Tokyo, Japan (National Institute for Infectious Diseases); and
Beijing, China (National Institute for Viral Disease Control and Prevention).
Twice a year, the World Health Organization (WHO) organizes a consultation with the Directors of the WHO Collaborating Centers, essential regulatory laboratories and representatives of key national laboratories and academies. They review the results of surveillance, laboratory, and clinical studies, and the availability of vaccine viruses and make recommendations on the composition of the influenza vaccine. These meetings take place in February for selection of the upcoming Northern Hemisphere’s seasonal influenza vaccine and in September for the Southern Hemisphere’s vaccine. WHO recommends specific vaccine viruses for inclusion in influenza vaccines, but then each country makes their own decision about which viruses should be included in influenza vaccines licensed in their country.

In the United States, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) makes the final decision about vaccine viruses for influenza vaccines to be sold in the U.S. Information about circulation of influenza viruses and available vaccine viruses is summarized and presented to an advisory committee of the FDA in February each year for the U.S. decision about which viruses to include in the upcoming season’s vaccine.

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What are the main factors that influence which viruses are selected for use in vaccine production?

The influenza viruses in the seasonal flu vaccine are selected each year based on surveillance data indicating which viruses are circulating and forecasts about which viruses are the most likely to circulate during the coming season. The degree of similarity between available vaccine viruses and circulating viruses also is important. Vaccine viruses must be similar to the influenza viruses predicted to circulate most commonly during the upcoming season. Another important practical factor in the recommendation about what viruses to include in a flu vaccine is whether or not there is a good vaccine virus available; that is, a virus that could be used in vaccine production and which would likely protect against the viruses likely to circulate during the upcoming season. Historically, vaccine viruses were required by FDA to be isolated and grown in chicken eggs, but now the FDA allows vaccine viruses to be grown in cells, too. Regardless of how they are grown, vaccine viruses must be tested and available in time to allow for production of the large amount of vaccine virus needed to make vaccine. Occasionally, a suitable vaccine virus cannot be identified or developed in time to be included in the upcoming season’s vaccine.

Why is it sometimes difficult to get a good vaccine virus for vaccine production?

There are a number of factors that can make getting a good vaccine virus for vaccine production challenging, including both scientific issues and issues of timing. FDA regulatory requirements now allow influenza vaccine viruses to be grown in chicken eggs or cells. Today, the majority influenza vaccines are still grown in chicken eggs. Unfortunately, some influenza viruses, like H3N2 viruses, grow poorly in eggs, making it difficult to obtain candidate vaccine viruses.

In terms of timing, in some years certain influenza viruses may not appear and spread until later in the influenza season, making it difficult to prepare a candidate vaccine virus in time for vaccine production. This can make vaccine virus selection very challenging.

What is CDC’s Influenza Division’s role in vaccine virus selection?

As one of five WHO Collaborating Centers, CDC’s Influenza Division receives and tests thousands of influenza viruses from around the world each year and collaborates with other WHO Collaborating Centers and National Influenza Centers in the bi-annual seasonal vaccine virus selection process for the Southern and Northern Hemispheres. CDC plays a major role in testing and identifying new strains of influenza viruses through their global surveillance activities and then preparing candidate vaccine viruses. The Influenza Division provides this information to the directors of other WHO Collaborating Centers, essential regulatory laboratories and representatives of key national laboratories and academies and then participates in discussions regarding which viruses will be recommended for inclusion in flu vaccines. CDC also presents information to FDA’s advisory committee for their decision making and helps to identify vaccine viruses.

How does CDC determine if the vaccine virus is like a circulating virus?

CDC’s Influenza Division collects and reports information on influenza activity in the United States each week. Laboratory studies of circulating influenza viruses allow CDC to evaluate how close a match there is between viruses in the vaccine and circulating viruses each season. Antigenic characterization is one process that can give an indication of the flu vaccine’s ability to produce an immune response against the influenza viruses circulating in people. Genetic characterization also can inform decision-making for vaccine virus selection. CDC also conducts studies to determine the effectiveness of the seasonal vaccine against circulating viruses. For more information, see Vaccine Effectiveness – How Well Does the Flu Vaccine Work? For more information about CDC’s surveillance and to access the weekly reports, visit Flu Activity and Surveillance.

What happens after a recommendation has been made about which viruses should be included in the seasonal flu vaccine?

As soon as a recommendation has been issued about what viruses should be included in the vaccine, private sector manufacturers begin the process of producing vaccine. In fact, some manufacturers may start growing one or more viruses for the vaccine even before a WHO or FDA decision is made based on what they think may be the recommended vaccine viruses. This allows manufacturers more time to make vaccine for the fall; the more time a manufacturer has to make vaccine, the greater the number of doses that can be produced.

How long does it take to manufacture seasonal influenza vaccine?

It takes at least six months to produce large quantities of influenza vaccine. For vaccine to be delivered in time for vaccination to begin in the fall, manufacturers may begin to grow one or more of the vaccine viruses in January based on their best guess as to what viruses are most likely to be included in the vaccine. For information about flu vaccine production, see How Influenza (Flu) Vaccines Are Made.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Well it’s a good thing for you that we have rules on posting here, otherwise this response would be a few words longer.

You and your infinite wisdom calling a heart surgeon and two other icu Doctors from the mazinkowski heart institute, along with a few other really great men whom I know personally and consider friends racists, even though you’ve never met them, nor have you any idea as to the context of our conversation. Certainly is a good testament to your character. You may be the greatest man to ever grace the soil of the earth but trust me, it’s only in your eyes, something I know you can’t believe. The men you just insulted would still give you the shirt off their back and shoes off their feet because that’s who they are.

I don’t know.... how many time have you been accused of knowing everything? Is it just something that happens here on a regular basis or does this happen to you everywhere? Just curious.

You know what. Even smart people can be tricked by these fake news sites. And yes...even professionals can be racists.

Not sure if these people you talk about are real. Not sure where they lie on the spectrum. Doesn’t really matter.

The conspiracies you talk about ARE based in anti Semitic rhetoric. If these are smart people and you all don’t know that’s where they formed from, that’s your bad.

Conspiracies on world order, rothchilds and globalists are rooted in the racist diatribes on the web. The fact you believe them and are propagating them means you MUST take responsibility for what you are spewing. If you believe it you must embrace it with all the ugliness it comes with and not just hide behind words and the YouTube channels you read.

Those people that start them are horrible. Those that spread them become just as bad as they try and convince others of the lies and mis truths.

[Talking moose]

People running around dismissing other people’s beliefs on world events is a conspiracy itself.......

[jeprli]

It's truth to witness which branch of world bank opens bussines in 3rd world countries as soon as "boots hit the ground", with super high interest rates. It's truth to witness a handfull of people demolish entire country in record time after inciting disagreement within populous over utterly idiotic ideologies.

It has nothing to do with anti-semitism, but everything with where the financial support comes from to help these actions.

Consequences of these actions are enormous and the ones who will have to bear with it is general population.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by obsessed1

How very 2020......argue over a flu then scream racist... Your really too much

Definitely crossed a line with that one didn't he!

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

You know what. Even smart people can be tricked by these fake news sites. And yes...even professionals can be racists.

Not sure if these people you talk about are real. Not sure where they lie on the spectrum. Doesn’t really matter.

The conspiracies you talk about ARE based in anti Semitic rhetoric. If these are smart people and you all don’t know that’s where they formed from, that’s your bad.

Conspiracies on world order, rothchilds and globalists are rooted in the racist diatribes on the web. The fact you believe them and are propagating them means you MUST take responsibility for what you are spewing. If you believe it you must embrace it with all the ugliness it comes with and not just hide behind words and the YouTube channels you read.

Those people that start them are horrible. Those that spread them become just as bad as they try and convince others of the lies and mis truths.

Bahahaha!

Fake people.....

Conspiracies decades old rooted to the web

Man, there is no peak to your narcissism is there??? You really believe you know everything don’t you?

Just when I think you’ve got a mouth full of foot, you seem to find room for more.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Bahahaha!

Fake people.....

Conspiracies decades old rooted to the web

Man, there is no peak to your narcissism is there??? You really believe you know everything don’t you?

Just when I think you’ve got a mouth full of foot, you seem to find room for more.

I remember when anti Semitic conspiracy theory's were mainstream.

I doubt most today understand the roots of such theories, but not understanding does not mean it isn't at least partially true, nore does the roots of those theories mean today's theories are anti Semitic.

Theories evolve over time, new information replaces old, back in the day the Rothschild's were world leaders in financial circles, today they are bit players.

That is what the term new world order is all about.

I don't doubt that there are behind the scenes shenanigans in all levels of government.
There is no way a part time drama teacher has the resources to pay for a federal political campaign, nore does the liberal party.

That's why they hold fund raisers, $250.00 a plate dinners.
Who can afford that! Not you or me.

It's money laundering at it's finest. Big corporations paying their friends and maybe employees to attend, so the money can't be traced back to the corporation.

Trudeau was bought and paid for. You can bet your last dime he is delivering on his debt. He would be long gone if he weren't.

So is there a conspiracy, you decide. One thing is clear, true or not it has nothing to do with anti semitizm. and everything to do with big corporations controlling government.

One last word. SNC Lavalan. Think about it.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

I remember when anti Semitic conspiracy theory's were mainstream.

I doubt most today understand the roots of such theories, but not understanding does not mean it isn't at least partially true, nore does the roots of those theories mean today's theories are anti Semitic.

Theories evolve over time, new information replaces old, back in the day the Rothschild's were world leaders in financial circles, today they are bit players.

That is what the term new world order is all about.

I don't doubt that there are behind the scenes shenanigans in all levels of government.
There is no way a part time drama teacher has the resources to pay for a federal political campaign, nore does the liberal party.

That's why they hold fund raisers, $250.00 a plate dinners.
Who can afford that! Not you or me.

It's money laundering at it's finest. Big corporations paying their friends and maybe employees to attend, so the money can't be traced back to the corporation.

Trudeau was bought and paid for. You can bet your last dime he is delivering on his debt. He would be long gone if he weren't.

So is there a conspiracy, you decide. One thing is clear, true or not it has nothing to do with anti semitizm. and everything to do with big corporations controlling government.

One last word. SNC Lavalan. Think about it.

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

This was a hard post to read as it shows a demographic that feeds off crazy internet negativity.

When looking for an answer...the obvious one is almost always correct. The far fetched conspiracies are never correct. Some facts within a conspiracy theory are true however they are always distorted and twisted and insinuated with theories that can’t be proved or disproved in the lost minds of those who have fallen for the trap and are spirally down the rabbit hole.

Take Trudeau for instance. You have this crazy bizarre world conspiracy to centre his motives.

He is simple

Trust fund baby wants a hand out...politics for him is an easy gig and free money

He is an egomaniac and seeks admiration and gets it in his current role
Wants power as leader he has obviously lots of power but the cult of haircut boy means even blackface makes him seem untouchable by voter common sense.

He want to stay in power and just like Trump he panders to his core and then it undecideds.

Just being Trudeau he seems to have Ontario locked up
So he promises SNC fix and money to Quebec to get their vote
He promises a green agenda to get B.C. vote
He promises free loans to minorities to start business and open border to attract new Canadians votes
He promises deals to First Nations to capture some of their votes

He uses scare tactics to vilify the right because it works on the social media gullible just like scare tactics work to vilify the left for Trump to capture votes.

He promises all Canadians free money because most people don’t have the sense to realize its their money and debt that us, our kids or grand kids will have to pay back.

He goes over board on CERB to attract the under 25 crowd.

It all comes down to Trudeau wanting to win more than keeping his marriage. He wants power and fame and nothing stands in his way.

He lies till he gets caught...then emotionally apologizes

There is no conspiracy other than his ego mania wanting the world to live him again.

You want to understand how you have been brainwashed into believing these conspiracies. Watch this.

https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/81254224

Back to conspiracy versus scandal.

Liberals aren’t in some conspiracy made up of a secret world order, Globalists and Rothchilds...

Rather they are calculating who they have to suck up to or lie to in order to get re-elected. Some will say same old just different party in power now...however it seems scandals and paid off friends seem to be the Liberal go to scandal.

These tired racist derived conspiracies are based in racist roots and maybe folks have morphed them in their mind to feel somewhat different however outside many of the world’s political parties swinging more left in the last 20 years, there is no secret cabal running Trudeau or Canada, no pedophile ring running pizza in New York, no world Government taking over the US and many other conspiracies.

I agree with you that all political parties look to garner funds and votes. Liberals and conservatives to to individuals and businesses. NDP looks to unions and individuals.

Liberal have historically and presently had multiple instances of paying off friends.

Kurt was the one mentioning rothchilds in his conspiracies. Taken with his new world order and globalists...that is the calling card of the racist conspiracy that has been thrown out to gather the gullible apparently when they have no clue of the origins...they take it as their own idea however they have just drunk the juice as they use so often.

If their was any such conspiracy going on...the NDP would be all over it. As would many in all parties.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Back to conspiracy versus scandal.

Liberals aren’t in some conspiracy made up of a secret world order, Globalists and Rothchilds...

Rather they are calculating who they have to suck up to or lie to in order to get re-elected. Some will say same old just different party in power now...however it seems scandals and paid off friends seem to be the Liberal go to scandal.

These tired racist derived conspiracies are based in racist roots and maybe folks have morphed them in their mind to feel somewhat different however outside many of the world’s political parties swinging more left in the last 20 years, there is no secret cabal running Trudeau or Canada, no pedophile ring running pizza in New York, no world Government taking over the US and many other conspiracies.

I agree with you that all political parties look to garner funds and votes. Liberals and conservatives to to individuals and businesses. NDP looks to unions and individuals.

Liberal have historically and presently had multiple instances of paying off friends.

Kurt was the one mentioning rothchilds in his conspiracies. Taken with his new world order and globalists...that is the calling card of the racist conspiracy that has been thrown out to gather the gullible apparently when they have no clue of the origins...they take it as their own idea however they have just drunk the juice as they use so often.

If their was any such conspiracy going on...the NDP would be all over it. As would many in all parties.

Honest question, are you Jewish because you sure seem to have a complex over my views and like to throw around the racist insinuations. If a man throws a stone, and another man points out who it was that threw the stone, does it make him racist? I know in your eyes it does but in reality does it?


Are you getting your information from these guys?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...a-great-reset/

https://www.reuters.com/article/cana...-idUSL1N2H5162


I know my racist friends and I like to spread bs, these are just make believe links right? Made by some racist jokesters to try and convince people they know what’s going on.


It’s just racist rhetoric, there’s no new world order being planned out.

[Smokey]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Actually the first one I put in was Oct 14, 2020...today. You apparently did not read the most recent one then?

the other was just an interesting read

BY KELLY BJORKLUND AND ANDREW EWING OCTOBER 14, 2020 5:00 AM EDT
Kelly Bjorklund is a writer and human rights activist who has worked on public policy and advocacy with elected officials, civil society and media for two decades.
Andrew Ewing is a professor of molecular biology and chemistry at the University of Gothenburg and a member of the Swedish Academy of Sciences.

I only saw the July 27th date. Ive read most of the articles that are available.

100 deaths man in 4 months, what is it that you have troubles grasping about that stat. There is no second wave as of yet.

If things change, I will be the first to admit. You seem you want to argue, then what what was wrong with Swedens approach to the pandemic. It looks like the best approach. Feel free to explain your position.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Honest question, are you Jewish because you sure seem to have a complex over my views and like to throw around the racist insinuations. If a man throws a stone, and another man points out who it was that threw the stone, does it make him racist? I know in your eyes it does but in reality does it?


Are you getting your information from these guys?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...a-great-reset/

https://www.reuters.com/article/cana...-idUSL1N2H5162


I know my racist friends and I like to spread bs, these are just make believe links right? Made by some racist jokesters to try and convince people they know what’s going on.


It’s just racist rhetoric, there’s no new world order being planned out.

Interesting question

My religious affiliation has no bearing on the propagation of racist conspiracies.
I very much hope in your heart you are not racist and rather just blind to the messaging you are getting from the fringe internet sites as inherently based in racism.

You can shine it up however you wish, however the origins of the conspiracy are what they are.

As for Covid. There is no conspiracy other than opinion over what to do. Sacrifice older folks or try and slow it down till a vaccine comes which is expected in early to mid 2021.

As for Trudeau... he is purely a selfish politician fighting to stay relevant. On the world stage, he is a buffoon.

At home he is in my opinion a liar, a cheat, an elitist, arrogant, power hungry socialist ego maniac. And socialist only applies to how he wants to others to live. He wants the glamour, adulation and all the riches that comes with fame.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Smokey

I only saw the July 27th date. Ive read most of the articles that are available.

100 deaths man in 4 months, what is it that you have troubles grasping about that stat. There is no second wave as of yet.

If things change, I will be the first to admit. You seem you want to argue, then what what was wrong with Swedens approach to the pandemic. It looks like the best approach. Feel free to explain your position.

Did you read the Times article from Oct 14, 2020

It would help if you read that first.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Interesting question

My religious affiliation has no bearing on the propagation of racist conspiracies.
I very much hope in your heart you are not racist and rather just blind to the messaging you are getting from the fringe internet sites as inherently based in racism.

You can shine it up however you wish, however the origins of the conspiracy are what they are.

As for Covid. There is no conspiracy other than opinion over what to do. Sacrifice older folks or try and slow it down till a vaccine comes which is expected in early to mid 2021.

As for Trudeau... he is purely a selfish politician fighting to stay relevant. On the world stage, he is a buffoon.

At home he is in my opinion a liar, a cheat, an elitist, arrogant, power hungry socialist ego maniac. And socialist only applies to how he wa to others to live. He wants the glamour, adulation and all the riches that comes with fame.

I get my information from facts and form my opinion from there, I don’t rely on fringe internet sites and gobble it up. Klaus Schwab, sounds like a good Jewish name hey? He’s one of the “Jews” my friends have racist views of right? Did you bother to read the links I provided? You don’t even mention them, pretend you never read them, it’s all just a conspiracy theory right?

Go back and read my first post on the first covid thread. COVID IS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT JUST WAIT TO SEE WHATS REALLY GOING ON. This was long before I even spent the weekend at my buddies cabin with his friends. Again, you can spin this however you want, racists, fringe groups, gullible naive rednecks, it’s you who has the blinders on.