Treestand ethics? - Page 9

fargineyesore · #**241** 08-26-2015, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by albertadeer

I would expect to have a chat and see what your intentions were. After a short talk we could decide what to do.

Well if I am sitting there with a rifle, wouldn't my intentions be clear? What would we talk about? If I'm there first, I'm not going anywhere.

DCse7en · #**242** 08-26-2015, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by deerguy

No I am not

yes....you are....you sir need a lesson in ethics.

dmcbride · #**243** 08-26-2015, 03:09 PM

I sure am glad I own a tree saddle and don't have to deal with any of this.

riden · #**244** 08-26-2015, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by deerguy

I agree, you can not have a tree fort for more then 14 days. However the law posted has no relation to tree stands.

You're simply wrong Further, you can't leave your ground blind set up for more than 14days either.

You have a ton of people telling you you're wrong. The law is common knowledge. We both know you have googled this and youknow your wrong. The onus now is to provide proof you are right.

backyard · #**245** 08-26-2015, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by deerguy

No I am not

ummm yes you would be and if you can not see that you have metal problems and should seek counseling

Arty · #**246** 08-26-2015, 03:19 PM

Normally I wouldn't use a treestand, it gets too cold for me or the knees get too stiff. I like walking more than sitting anyway. Don't bowhunt [yet] so the need to have one is reduced.

But I might pack one in to set up an unusually high platform for a few days, if it appeared there would be some rare visibility & range advantage at that spot. Pretty much rules out somebody else's 'permanent' structure though.

Wouldn't leave anything attached or laying around to get that far up the tree. I'd be impressed if I found somebody was so creative or well-prepared to get up there. But then I'd probably just inform that individual I was going to take my stuff down and take it home that day. Depending on the mood I was in & the weather, that would either mean right now, or at lunchtime after stalking around a bit.

deerguy · #**247** 08-26-2015, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by riden

You're simply wrong Further, you can't leave your ground blind set up for more than 14days either.

You have a ton of people telling you you're wrong. The law is common knowledge. We both know you have googled this and youknow your wrong. The onus now is to provide proof you are right.

produce the law then . I have looked for it and can not seem to find it. It all just seems like hearsay.

Everyone says the same thing, I said it to. But it seems to just be word of mouth, No one has actually produced a law stating it, They just hear it and go with it

deerguy · #**248** 08-26-2015, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rpm360

ummm yes you would be and if you can not see that you have metal problems and should seek counseling

On what grounds? I am walking to my tree stand. What esrd officer will charge me for obstructing a hunt while on my way to or in my stand?

deerguy · #**249** 08-26-2015, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by riden

You have a ton of people telling you you're wrong. The law is common knowledge. We both know you have googled this and youknow your wrong. The onus now is to provide proof you are right.

In Libya they teach Woman have half a brain, Essentially a ton of people are saying it. Does that make them correct?

NorthShore · #**250** 08-26-2015, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by deerguy

On what grounds? I am walking to my tree stand. What esrd officer will charge me for obstructing a hunt while on my way to or in my stand?

No one would charge you with walking to a stand. If you started yelling at buddy to get out out of the tree then you are interfering with a hunt.

deerguy · #**251** 08-26-2015, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NorthShore

No one would charge you with walking to a stand. If you started yelling at buddy to get out out of the tree then you are interfering with a hunt.

Would you be charged with asking someone to leave your stand?

DCse7en · #**252** 08-26-2015, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by deerguy

In Libya they teach Woman have half a brain, Essentially a ton of people are saying it. Does that make them correct?

This is not libya, and we are not arguing over the mental capacity of anyone....well, perhaps indirectly, we are...

DCse7en · #**253** 08-26-2015, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by deerguy

Would you be charged with asking someone to leave your stand?

Perhaps.

deerguy · #**254** 08-26-2015, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DCse7en

Perhaps.

On what grounds? I walked to my stand and asked you to leave. You have no case. If I showed up and starting banging drums or honking my horn then you would have an argument

NorthShore · #**255** 08-26-2015, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by deerguy

Would you be charged with asking someone to leave your stand?

It would depend on how you responded when he told you to take a hike.

DCse7en · #**256** 08-26-2015, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by deerguy

On what grounds? I walked to my stand and asked you to leave. You have no case. If I showed up and starting banging drums or honking my horn then you would have an argument

I do not need a case. Ethics dictate that if someone gets to a hunting spot before you, then you yield that spot to them. Banging drums, shouting, causing a disturbance of any kind is unethical, and unlawful.

deerguy · #**257** 08-26-2015, 03:45 PM

I called ESRD Calgary. They did not have an answer as to the law pertaining to permanent tree stands . They were under the assumption me telling you to get out of the stand would not be interfering with a lawful hunt but will call me back with clear answers to both questions.

deerguy · #**258** 08-26-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NorthShore

It would depend on how you responded when he told you to take a hike.

Take a hike from my personal tree stand? That's what gets me here, Its not yours. Set up your own stand then you have a case.

DCse7en · #**259** 08-26-2015, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by deerguy

Take a hike from my personal tree stand? That's what gets me here, Its not yours. Set up your own stand then you have a case.

Don't need to. If I am sitting underneath, you should keep on keepin on...If you see my truck parked at the entrance, you should keep on driving to the next spot.

deerguy · #**260** 08-26-2015, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DCse7en

Don't need to. If I am sitting underneath, you should keep on keepin on...If you see my truck parked at the entrance, you should keep on driving to the next spot.

If it looks like you are in the area I would move on. But access can be had from many ways, Had a guy walk up behind me two years ago deer hunting, Accessed the block from the back end so he had no way to know i was there. No fault on him.

DCse7en · #**261** 08-26-2015, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by deerguy

If it looks like you are in the area I would move on. But access can be had from many ways, Had a guy walk up behind me two years ago deer hunting, Accessed the block from the back end so he had no way to know i was there. No fault on him.

Ok then....I would do the same...If you were in a wooden stand that I had put up, I would still keep on going, cause I don't care, thats what they are there for anyway....

deerguy · #**262** 08-26-2015, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DCse7en

Ok then....I would do the same...If you were in a wooden stand that I had put up, I would still keep on going, cause I don't care, thats what they are there for anyway....

I'd leave. Its not my stand, I paid nothing for it, Nor did I speak with the man who put it up for permission. I have no claim to it.

BRANDO · #**263** 08-26-2015, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DCse7en

I do not need a case. Ethics dictate that if someone gets to a hunting spot before you, then you yield that spot to them. Banging drums, shouting, causing a disturbance of any kind is unethical, and unlawful.

Ill tell ya something, ethics or not, it is unethical to sit in someones stand that is not belonging to you! So therefore, if you do not leave when asked then any outcome is fair, ruining a hunt, busting up a nose, its fair because the person IN the stand that is not THEIRS is not ethical... I dont understand what the debate is about?
Could always move locations if someone easily found the stand? That sounds like a better solution in my books... ha

DCse7en · #**264** 08-26-2015, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by deerguy

I'd leave. Its not my stand, I paid nothing for it, Nor did I speak with the man who put it up for permission. I have no claim to it.

Thats your right...

DCse7en · #**265** 08-26-2015, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BRANDO

Ill tell ya something, ethics or not, it is unethical to sit in someones stand that is not belonging to you! So therefore, if you do not leave when asked then any outcome is fair, ruining a hunt, busting up a nose, its fair because the person IN the stand that is not THEIRS is not ethical... I dont understand what the debate is about?
Could always move locations if someone easily found the stand? That sounds like a better solution in my books... ha

The debate is that you have no claim to a spot just because you build a fort there...And permanent wooden stands on public land become public property....after 14 days they are on borrowed time anyway. Besides, you don't own the tree that it is hanging in, so you really have no claim to it either.

deerguy · #**266** 08-26-2015, 04:05 PM

There is no law pertaining to Tree stand longevity, You can leave it up for as long as you want with no penalty.

However, If you leave a stand in the bush then return and find someone in it, you CAN NOT ask them to leave, It is legally interrupting a hunt.

Seems I was legally wrong on the latter part.

BRANDO · #**267** 08-26-2015, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DCse7en

The debate is that you have no claim to a spot just because you build a fort there...And permanent wooden stands on public land become public property....after 14 days they are on borrowed time anyway. Besides, you don't own the tree that it is hanging in, so you really have no claim to it either.

I GET all that, but who REALLY needs to sit in some strangers stand? They put the time in, they deserve the right to be there... public lands, well, if ya throw a stand in public lands you are willingly knowing that anything can happen: theft, sits etc
Its just a silly topic because my ethics are different than yours to his, to hers, to theirs...
let me know if someone gets an answer to this? ha

deerguy · #**268** 08-26-2015, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BRANDO

I GET all that, but who REALLY needs to sit in some strangers stand? They put the time in, they deserve the right to be there... public lands, well, if ya throw a stand in public lands you are willingly knowing that anything can happen: theft, sits etc
Its just a silly topic because my ethics are different than yours to his, to hers, to theirs...
let me know if someone gets an answer to this? ha

Legally he is correct, Ethically he is not.

You put a stand up and he gets there first, You have no claim to the stand or the spot. Its bizarre.

NorthShore · #**269** 08-26-2015, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by deerguy

There is no law pertaining to Tree stand longevity, You can leave it up for as long as you want with no penalty.

However, If you leave a stand in the bush then return and find someone in it, you CAN NOT ask them to leave, It is legally interrupting a hunt.

Seems I was legally wrong on the latter part.

Shake hands. Good fight all. End thread.

deerguy · #**270** 08-26-2015, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NorthShore

Shake hands. Good fight all. End thread.

essentially yes it is. Ethic debates will never be won, However the legal questions have been answered.