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07-17-2020, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
Can you try shooting and pull the trigger with your middle finger, or even thumb? There are ways around the injury, just have to practice and see what’s possible.
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My best friend growing up for some reason always used his middle index finger or whatever it's called the longest one to shoot always thought that strange
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07-17-2020, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Full Curl Earl
No not true Elk, a few states are like you described, New Mexico, Wyoming etc, most are not though. For instance Oregon, where i drew a Roosevelt elk permit this season. Like us, if drawn you then pay for the tag. In the regs they have all the info for returning a tag, medical, circumstances beyond your control etc.
Some places let you return a tag up to the day prior, for a partial refund.
What you explained above certainly doesnt correct the cash input at all because many of thise folks still wont purchase the tag, as there is no requirement to.
If a company or government is still choosing to treat all to the lowest common denominator, then they are clearly creatively poor thinkers. There are many great models for hunting draws and processes. To deny an injured hunter who is a long time customer the ability to Return his tag due to medical reasons is frankly foolish business. As a long time Albertan, its embarrassing. Showing some compassion to a fellow hunter sure seems week, at least here.
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How many of the states that you speak of use a true priority system like Alberta, and restore the full priority if you can't hunt? Those states are simply removing the financial loss, which in many cases is over $1000. Let's face it, in this case, the issue isn't the application fee, or even the resident tag fee if the hunter had purchased the tag, it's the lost priority. And yes it is sad that policies that effect everyone come about from the actions of people that abuse the system, but that isn't any different than school or the workplace, or life in general.
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07-17-2020, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
At update from the OP on this? I am sure by now a phone call or two has been made...
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Not much of an update, but i went for surgery yesterday. They took off the finger to the knuckle... i called AlbertaRELM A few days ago to inquire about cancelling the tag (At the time we didn’t have a time frame on recovery), but they didn’t have any answers. Hi be been trying to call the calgary fish and wildlife office, but nobody is answering when i call.
I’ll keep trying - but I’m looking at only 3-5 weeks for the finger to heal over. There will be physio with a hand specialist to deal with the nerve pain.
Once the swelling goes down, I’m going to try shooting with a thumb release. I’m sure I’ll be able to shoot in time for the season.
Before i had a timeframe for recovery, there were several options, each with a different recovery time. Lopping off the finger had the quickest recovery, so i went ahead with that.
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07-17-2020, 06:54 PM
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Doesn't answer your question. But I listened to a podcast recently where two guys were talking about having used mouth/bite releases and getting their animals.
Sorry to hear about your fingers.
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07-17-2020, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SageValleyOutdoors
Not much of an update, but i went for surgery yesterday. They took off the finger to the knuckle... i called AlbertaRELM A few days ago to inquire about cancelling the tag (At the time we didn’t have a time frame on recovery), but they didn’t have any answers. Hi be been trying to call the calgary fish and wildlife office, but nobody is answering when i call.
I’ll keep trying - but I’m looking at only 3-5 weeks for the finger to heal over. There will be physio with a hand specialist to deal with the nerve pain.
Once the swelling goes down, I’m going to try shooting with a thumb release. I’m sure I’ll be able to shoot in time for the season.
Before i had a timeframe for recovery, there were several options, each with a different recovery time. Lopping off the finger had the quickest recovery, so i went ahead with that.
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Dang man I am sorry to hear that!! Hoping for a speedy and full recovery.
LC
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07-18-2020, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
Can you try shooting and pull the trigger with your middle finger, or even thumb? There are ways around the injury, just have to practice and see what’s possible.
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
How many of the states that you speak of use a true priority system like Alberta, and restore the full priority if you can't hunt? Those states are simply removing the financial loss, which in many cases is over $1000. Let's face it, in this case, the issue isn't the application fee, or even the resident tag fee if the hunter had purchased the tag, it's the lost priority. And yes it is sad that policies that effect everyone come about from the actions of people that abuse the system, but that isn't any different than school or the workplace, or life in general.
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Pretty well all of them Elk, money is rarely the worry, its points, as points = time, time = Lifes likelihood of drawing a tag. And not sure what you mean by “Albertas true priority points system”, Alberta didnt invent it and certainly hasnt evolved it in any way really. When my son wasnt well and fighting for his life, and his dreams of hunting new places were cut short, every US state he drew in refunded his fees and or points, including Alberta, in the hopes that when he was well again, he could go on an adventure. Is this the kind of thing you believe we need to stop Elk!
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07-18-2020, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Full Curl Earl
Pretty well all of them Elk, money is rarely the worry, its points, as points = time, time = Lifes likelihood of drawing a tag. And not sure what you mean by “Albertas true priority points system”, Alberta didnt invent it and certainly hasnt evolved it in any way really. When my son wasnt well and fighting for his life, and his dreams of hunting new places were cut short, every US state he drew in refunded his fees and or points, including Alberta, in the hopes that when he was well again, he could go on an adventure. Is this the kind of thing you believe we need to stop Elk!
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It's pretty obvious what I mean by Alberta's true point system, other than the few lottery draws, you get a point for every year that you apply and don't draw, and nobody with less points can draw before you do. Even a person with 10 points, can't draw before a person that applies with 11 points. While some states and provinces offer some type of priority, most don't offer a true priority system that awards points every single year, like Alberta does. As for the policy not to allow draws to be cancelled, that came about not because of illness, but because of people drawing tags, which prevented other people from drawing, and then decided not to purchase the draw tag, in order to purchase another tag instead. I know several people that drew antlerless elk tags, and then didn't buy them, so they could hunt an antlered elk with a regular elk tag. Those are the people that caused the no cancelling draws policy.
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07-19-2020, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
It's pretty obvious what I mean by Alberta's true point system, other than the few lottery draws, you get a point for every year that you apply and don't draw, and nobody with less points can draw before you do. Even a person with 10 points, can't draw before a person that applies with 11 points. While some states and provinces offer some type of priority, most don't offer a true priority system that awards points every single year, like Alberta does. As for the policy not to allow draws to be cancelled, that came about not because of illness, but because of people drawing tags, which prevented other people from drawing, and then decided not to purchase the draw tag, in order to purchase another tag instead. I know several people that drew antlerless elk tags, and then didn't buy them, so they could hunt an antlered elk with a regular elk tag. Those are the people that caused the no cancelling draws policy.
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No your completely wrong elk, i know thats difficult, but almost every western state and quite a few provinces, awards points. Do you apply or have you researched this topic at all? But you’ve exhauseted my interest in trying to help a fellow hunter support his cause for being able to return a tag due to injury or illness.
To the OP, I hope it all works out for you medically and the hunt!
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07-19-2020, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Full Curl Earl
No your completely wrong elk, i know thats difficult, but almost every western state and quite a few provinces, awards points. Do you apply or have you researched this topic at all? But you’ve exhauseted my interest in trying to help a fellow hunter support his cause for being able to return a tag due to injury or illness.
To the OP, I hope it all works out for you medically and the hunt!
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Yes many states and provinces do offer some type of system, as in multiple pools, or bonus points, so your odds increase as you draw, but of the ones that I looked at, in most cases, a person that has applied for six years, is not guaranteed to draw before someone that has applied for five years. And yes, I do sympathize with people that suffer injury or illness that results in not being able to use their draw tags, but I do understand why Alberta has stopped allowing people from cancelling tags, and having their priority restored. I have actually been in the situation of drawing tags that I couldn't use due to going legally blind in one eye, I actually never hunted for two years, and sold every firearm that I owned at the time. But I was fortunate, in that a third specialist was able to restore my vision, and I was able to shoot and hunt again, after losing those two years.
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