Private land permission form.

[pitw]

Working on a form for landowners to use for determining something about people who wish to use their land. Seems some people who hunt/sight see/whatever think that landowners bought their land with the sole thought that they want others traipsing all over it. Some of you will remember that I went up to random houses in the "city" asking for permission to hunt/camp and how well that went for a rural guy. I've sent my draft to one MLA for discussion with him and he see's potential.
What would you include on it?

[hal53]

Name, contact info, vehicle description, liability waiver
Each hunter should have one , big complaint around here is one guy asking for permission "for me and my son/daughter", then showing up with 2 truck loads of his buddies

[Sledhead71]

Not sure a "form" is such a good idea personally... Either I give you permission or I don't, a piece of paper really does nothing to deter those who wish to trespass on private lands.

Forcing a legislated protocol would IMO close some lands and actually work against our community.

[densa44]

No fires, clean up any mess you make, where you can drive, where you can't shoot if applicable.

I don't know if a from will help my neighbours but if you have one, publish it here and the boys can mention these things when they are asking for permission

[35 whelen]

I Think there are some of these for sale ,remember seeing them on here a while ago .think wild t.v. had them?

[elkhunter11]

Don't forget to add a statement at the bottom, saying that you are against Bill 6.

big complaint around here is one guy asking for permission "for me and my son/daughter", then showing up with 2 truck loads of his buddies

That is a huge concern with many landowners. They are giving the person that is asking permission, they usually aren't giving that person permission to invite all of his family and friends.

So the landowner may appreciate it if you list all hunters on the form.

[dmcbride]

Here is one.

http://www.albertabeef.org/uploads/H...tFormA-110.pdf

[JB_AOL]

haha.. Only on AOF.ca

One thread.. Somebody's worried about someone stealing insurance and registration out of car, and further breaking into house..

2-3 days later..Someone's trying to create a form for hunter land access which includes all that information.. lol.. Sure, come hunt my land, just leave me your address.

what are you trying accomplish with the form?

Who holds the form (3rd party)?

I thought farmers/landowners wanted less legislation/paperwork/etc?

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by pitw

I've sent my draft to one MLA for discussion with him and he see's potential.
What would you include on it?

Why would what an MLA thinks be important?

Also, how about you post your draft here so we know what's already in it and comment or add to that? I'd be interested to see it, though I think it's mostly farmers and ranchers who will have the best suggestions for what should be in it.

[Dam2406]

I bought one some time ago. I am not sure if they still exist but try www.sportsmanpermissionbooklet.com It is more for guides but will work for and individual

[bobalong]

Personally I wouldn't bother a landowner with any kind of form. Most I ask want to know my name, where I'm from, when and where I want to hunt and how many are hunting. Verbal works best with landowners IMO, but may be different where others hunt.

[marlin1]

the form the landowner uses where I go simply requires license plate , caliber used , vehicle type , and gives us a slip to put in windshield and one to carry

[338Bluff]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Not sure a "form" is such a good idea personally... Either I give you permission or I don't, a piece of paper really does nothing to deter those who wish to trespass on private lands.

Forcing a legislated protocol would IMO close some lands and actually work against our community.

Yup. X2

You show up with a 'legislated permission' slip and you don't go period. I have enough paperwork through the day that I'm not going to be bothered with this silly business. Especially if ist brought in by this government. Careful what you ask for.

Speaking as someone on both sides of the fence.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Personally I wouldn't bother a landowner with any kind of form. Most I ask want to know my name, where I'm from, when and where I want to hunt and how many are hunting. Verbal works best with landowners IMO, but may be different where others hunt.

I could be wrong, but I think the OP was thinking of a form the landowner could use if he or she wanted to get info important to them. Not a form that a hunter would have. Of course some landowners want more or less info than others. I asked the owner of some land I hunt on if he wanted me to check and keep track of who comes on the land when I'm there. His response was "aw, that's OK. The ungulates need thinning out. I'm not too worried about who does it". LOL That explains the 27 other guys hunting there when I'm there. LOL

[Redfrog]

I subscribe to the K.I.S.S. principle.

One question when someone wants permission.

Who did you vote for?

[Janitor Pants]

No more paperwork period.

Keep it simple, do I know you and do I like you?

If the answer to both is yes, then permission would be granted. If not, go kick rocks.

[WillyOneStyle]

Why not get the landowners personal information and buy them an all-inclusive stay in Mexico for the month of November?

[MathewsArcher]

Keep it Simple. Legislating something like this would be a step in the wrong direction, most landowners don't want more requirements or paperwork and access would be lost in many instances.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

I subscribe to the K.I.S.S. principle.

One question when someone wants permission.

Who did you vote for?

^^^^^THIS, Like it or not the farmers are PO'd.

[KWO]

Our local fish & game association received free booklets of permission forms as a promotion from someone trying to sell them. They just didn't work because they were too long and had way too much legal jargon in them. Landowners just didn't like them.

When my son and I and ask permission, I provide the landowner with an information sheet that has photos of us, my truck, license plate, and our contact information and hunting/trapping licenses. I actually had one landowner who said no call me back later to say he changed his mind based on the info sheet. Seems to work well.

[guywiththemule]

I will second the comment; "Who did you vote for" and why, and what are your political leanings....provincial and federal ?????

[Battle Rat]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Not sure a "form" is such a good idea personally... Either I give you permission or I don't, a piece of paper really does nothing to deter those who wish to trespass on private lands.

Forcing a legislated protocol would IMO close some lands and actually work against our community.

I've had them issued in southern Alberta on the large ranches where a ranch hand or neighbor can see my copy on my dash board and know that I am welcome there.
More useful on the large ranches than the small farms.

[260 Rem]

Originally Posted by guywiththemule

I will second the comment; "Who did you vote for" and why, and what are your political leanings....provincial and federal ?????

A lot of consumers look for Canadian/locally grown meat and produce. Maybe not worth the risk to see the shoe on the other foot.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by guywiththemule

I will second the comment; "Who did you vote for" and why, and what are your political leanings....provincial and federal ?????

The nice thing about owning land, is that the owner can deny or grant permission for hunting for whatever reason he chooses. That can include race, religion or political reasons, or simply because he doesn't like the look of the person asking.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The nice thing about owning land, is that the owner can deny or grant permission for hunting for whatever reason he chooses. That can include race, religion or political reasons, or simply because he doesn't like the look of the person asking.

Yup all they have to do is say " nope get off my land!"
NO reason needed !
Cat

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Yup all they have to do is say " nope get off my land!"
NO reason needed !
Cat

Exactly, the owner is not obligated to provide any reason, and he can ask the person whatever questions he chooses before making a decision. If you refuse to answer the questions, or he doesn't like the answer, he can just deny access.

I know one group of landowners that demand to see a person's hunting license before granting permission. One individual responded that he didn't need a license, and the landowner replied that he required a license to hunt on his land.

[roper1]

[QUOTE=260 Rem;3075897]A lot of consumers say they look for Canadian/locally grown meat and produce. Most of them just check the price.


There, fixed it for you.....

[guywiththemule]

[QUOTE=roper1;3076165]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

A lot of consumers say they look for Canadian/locally grown meat and produce. Most of them just check the price.


There, fixed it for you.....

Excellent fix !! Thank you !

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

A lot of consumers look for Canadian/locally grown meat and produce. Maybe not worth the risk to see the shoe on the other foot.

I guess you could always buy your beef in Australia.

[pitw]

The land owner will have no extra paper work to fill out but may have some to read if he wants. For ever people have asked for permission and some lie. Land owners may want to know who is hunting. Many criminal minded types can just ask permission to hunt in order to scope out the lands for an opportunity to steal. You may be the most reliable person in the world but how can a land owner who doesn't know you know that? Here is the first draft for you to enjoy.


Application for Permission to Hunt on Private Land

Name: _______ ____________ _______ [First, middle, Last)

Nick names: ___________________ ___________

Family's names: _____________________

Marital Status ______________

Have you been divorced. ____

Race: __________________

Address: [include all if you have more than one] _______________________

Credit card information:
Name on Card Card Number Expiration Date 3-digit security code
___________ ____________ ___________ _______________
___________ ____________ ___________ _______________
___________ ____________ ___________ _______________

Bank info:
Name on Account Account Number Account Passwords
______________ _____________ _______________
______________ _____________ _______________
______________ _____________ _______________

Political leanings: ________________________

Type of weapons owned? _________________________________
List them below:[if more paper is needed add it at your expense]
Weapon Model, caliber, and condition
______________ ______________________________________
______________ ______________________________________
______________ ______________________________________
______________ ______________________________________
______________ ______________________________________

Alias's: [Forum names, fake names] _________________ _____________

Sexual orientation: ____________ ________

Body piercings: ______________________

Tattoo's: [name them all with pictures included] ___________________ _______

Are you willing to put up a million dollar cash bond? _________

Are you hunting as a Resident? ________

If yes, how long have you been a resident of Alberta? [Include generations] ____________

Please provide your PAL (possession/acquisition/license) number: ________________

Can you identify 10 different types of Barbed wire? ____________

Can you identify 20 different plants? ________________

Can you drive a manual transmission vehicle? ______________

Do you know of any secrets that could result in a person being jailed? List the top five below:
Person’s Name Illegal activity
______________ ______________________________________
______________ ______________________________________
______________ ______________________________________
______________ ______________________________________
______________ ______________________________________

List the people with whom you have had an affair. Top Five:
Name Rate them 1 – 10 Phone Number
______________ _____________ _______________
______________ _____________ _______________
______________ _____________ _______________
______________ _____________ _______________
______________ _____________ _______________

If successful on this questionnaire you will be contacted in 6 months at which time you will receive the long form to fill out before final approval is obtained. Those not contacted can surmise they were turned down.