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08-12-2020, 12:25 PM
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Over $20K on the gofund
The picture shows the tractor on pavement not in the ditch, in the sob story the 18 year old child refused to blow because he didn't know what a breathalyzer was? All he had to do was comply and move onto his chores.
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08-12-2020, 12:32 PM
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https://youtu.be/nzdWp9tYOKI
This is the video of him being removed from the tractor. He’s isn’t in any hay field nor is there any hay field to be in where this took place. He simply chose to evade the checkstop and the police.
If you purposely evade the police there must be a reason. Why do you think most people avoid checkstops?
From a public safety factor I’m glad that the police went after him and stopped him because he very easily COULD have been a huge threat to others.
Yes a tractor most certainly is a vehicle and it has to obey the laws of the road and it’s operator must comply with and obey the police like anybody else.
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08-12-2020, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by riden
On the Go Fund Me page, I see a pic of the Sheriffs pulling him out of the tractor. The tractor is clearly on the highway.
What am I missing?
That picture is completely at odds with the boys story and the families Go Fund Me account of the events. Here is the relevant part of Go Fund Me narrative :” So not knowing what was going on but with no time to waste he drove into the ditch to cross into the field. A lot of fields don't even have approaches and you have to drive into the ditch to get into them anyway. Officers immediately came running after him and surrounded him”
I can’t post the pic or I would. But it doesn’t jibe with the story so I call BS on the family.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying in the States the police gave George Floyd tons of chances to comply before they took him down. Floyd was a known bad guy and a big scary dude. It seems like this kid might have been jumped the second he hesitated to comply because he thought he could explain his way out of it.
If this kid was lurking around at night in a car or something it would be different.
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08-12-2020, 12:36 PM
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If you do not know the rules of the land don't leave the farm. I think he is 100% full of crap and playing the victim.
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08-12-2020, 12:46 PM
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^ Exactly.
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Originally Posted by chuck
He wasn’t driving a Carolla.
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Would it be any different if he were though?
Also, (not directed at chuck) whatever happened to the usual comments in similar threads in the like of “he is not a kid, he is an adult and should be treated accordingly”? Or like in the poaching threads, something similar to “he should know the law before hunting and should get what’s coming to the full extent of the law”? Or like in the other threads, similar to “he should not have resisted”?
The whole situation is pretty ridiculous. The fact that they are collecting money from it is even more so and clearly shows that they think they are in the right and will probably do the same next time (especially now that they see they can gain from it). And the fact that people are donating is completely crazy.
Sns2 and a few others are spot on. The dude got what he deserved and they should be ashamed about collecting money from people because of it. But I guess if you can separate fools form their money, right?
And yes, the cops should not be kicking if they they did either.
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08-12-2020, 12:57 PM
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Over $20,000 already on the go fund me page???? Holy crap how stupid are the people donating to them??
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08-12-2020, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Savage Bacon
Over $20,000 already on the go fund me page???? Holy crap how stupid are the people donating to them??
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Have you read the thread? Doesn't surprise me at all.
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Attention Anti Hunters
Sit back
Pour yourself a tea
Watch us "sportsmen" attack each other and destroy ourselves from within.
From road hunters vs "real hunters" to bowhunters vs rifle hunters, long bows and recurves vs compound user to bow vs crossbow to white hunters vs Native hunters etc etc etc
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Enjoy the easy ride, anti hunters. Strange to me why we seem to be doing your job for you.
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08-12-2020, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Trochu
Homeschooling is simply an easy target for kids who most likely have issues at home anyway. How many kids are succeeding in the public system who, outside school, have zero socialization? With caring, loving parents who put the work in for their kids, home schooling wins every time IMO. If kids don't have that at home, it's a tough road regardless, but getting out of the home likely has some benefits.
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If you are going to quote me, might as well get the full context, as you conveniently left the preceding sentence out...
"I am not a fan of homeschooling either. There are tons of success stories for sure, and that is great for those families."
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08-12-2020, 01:40 PM
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Ok, so stupid adult did stupid thing, then did another stupid thing, and then another stupid thing, then got educated that doing stupid things is bad and now people want to pander to him, remove the consequences and benefit him for being stupid.
OP should be shaking his head and regretting his decision to post this without doing a little more diligence.
Ok, back to the anti authority crowds whine and moan opportunity......
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08-12-2020, 01:41 PM
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Based off of the video (Because it actually shows both sides of the story), I saw ZERO strikes delivered by the sheriffs. I think they did a great job showing restraint and acting professionally.
He's up in a tractor. It's a long way down, and when you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
The other thing to consider is at this time, no one knows how many times he was asked "nicely" to get out of the tractor. I don't believe a whiff of what the family is saying, and I refuse to refer to this guy as a victim.
Once he is convicted, I hope they will offer a refund to all of the suckers who are donating.
The media is so horny for a "Police Brutality" story they will eat this up for days. All they want is to piggy back off of the anti-police narrative that the States are broadcasting. They know what gets clicks, so they will continue to show this for weeks to come.
Just pathetic.
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08-12-2020, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by W921
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying in the States the police gave George Floyd tons of chances to comply before they took him down. Floyd was a known bad guy and a big scary dude. It seems like this kid might have been jumped the second he hesitated to comply because he thought he could explain his way out of it.
If this kid was lurking around at night in a car or something it would be different.
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Yeah because he wasnt given opportunity whe he saw that it was POs running a check stop, then he wouldnt get out when told, then resisted when being made and continued to resist. All while operating heavy equipment on a highway. Giving them no reason to believe he would suddenly comply. In traffic.
Keep the day job.
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08-12-2020, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by W921
In rural Alberta everybody knows everybody. So they make you take that breathalyzer in front of everyone even though they know your sober. Everybody is going to be gossiping about you! There will be a gazillion stories told about you and the damage is done.
How would you like to be put on it in front of your home or workplace where everybody knows you?
Grizzly Adams could this be payback because of the sign issue?
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Everyone in that lineup was getting tested. Pretty hard to gossip when its weveryone.
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08-12-2020, 02:00 PM
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Video is really obvious that the cops did nothing wrong. Doesn’t mean they never do but this situation I don’t see one thing.
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08-12-2020, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rem338win
Yeah because he wasnt given opportunity whe he saw that it was POs running a check stop, then he wouldnt get out when told, then resisted when being made and continued to resist. All while operating heavy equipment on a highway. Giving them no reason to believe he would suddenly comply. In traffic.
Keep the day job.
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Gosh I dont know why you seem to be upset with me. I saw this on Lethbridge TV news, googled it and posted it here to find out what others thought about it.
At first it seemed to me that the sherriffs were being heavy handed then after getting many opinions I agreed with you and changed my oppinion based on the arguments that were posted here. I even said that's what I liked about this forum.
I'm not sure if some of the other posts were directed at me?
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08-12-2020, 02:04 PM
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Everyone in that lineup was getting tested. Pretty hard to gossip when its weveryone.
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I did not know that.
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08-12-2020, 02:19 PM
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Yep. They made every “vehicle operator” blow.
Including tractors.
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08-12-2020, 02:27 PM
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they test every one now a days its a good thing
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08-12-2020, 02:32 PM
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they test every one now a days its a good thing
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Unless you are a senior citizen with COPD or some other respiratory problem, and you aren't able to give a sample no matter what, so you get charged and your car is impounded and you lose your license. This is not hypothetical, this has happened. There are a number of cases of people who had not been drinking, getting charged for not being able to provide a sample. Making somebody provide a sample without cause is not a good thing in my opinion. Just another infringement, death of liberty by a thousand cuts. 'But if it saves just one life.....' yada yada yada. Same argument for banning 'assault style rifles'. Next we will have our own Patriot Act, and our government will have access to every form of communication you make. Giving them the benefit of the doubt that they aren't already. For your own safety of course.
And this isn't even off topic.
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08-12-2020, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
Unless you are a senior citizen with COPD or some other respiratory problem, and you aren't able to give a sample no matter what, so you get charged and your car is impounded and you lose your license. This is not hypothetical, this has happened. There are a number of cases of people who had not been drinking, getting charged for not being able to provide a sample. Making somebody provide a sample without cause is not a good thing in my opinion. Just another infringement, death of liberty by a thousand cuts. 'But if it saves just one life.....' yada yada yada. Same argument for banning 'assault style rifles'. Next we will have our own Patriot Act, and our government will have access to every form of communication you make. Giving them the benefit of the doubt that they aren't already. For your own safety of course.
And this isn't even off topic.
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More curious than anything. Could you submit to a blood test if not able to blow?
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08-12-2020, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AndrewM
More curious than anything. Could you submit to a blood test if not able to blow?
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I'm sure you could try. Should you have to if there is not any probable cause or indication that you are intoxicated? Although this article says that you cannot demand to get a blood test instead of taking the breathalyzer.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/no-pro...wyer-1.4483678
Under the current law, which came into effect in 2018, police officers have the authority to demand an alcohol breath test from any driver they pull over.
Those who refuse to take the test, or fail to provide a proper sample, face an automatic charge, licence suspension, and fines.
According to Spratt, these people have no other legal recourse other than fighting the charges in court to prove their sobriety.
“You don’t have the right to say to the police officer, ‘take me back to the police station, I’ll voluntarily give you some of my blood,’” he explained.
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08-12-2020, 02:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
Unless you are a senior citizen with COPD or some other respiratory problem, and you aren't able to give a sample no matter what, so you get charged and your car is impounded and you lose your license. This is not hypothetical, this has happened. There are a number of cases of people who had not been drinking, getting charged for not being able to provide a sample. Making somebody provide a sample without cause is not a good thing in my opinion. Just another infringement, death of liberty by a thousand cuts. 'But if it saves just one life.....' yada yada yada. Same argument for banning 'assault style rifles'. Next we will have our own Patriot Act, and our government will have access to every form of communication you make. Giving them the benefit of the doubt that they aren't already. For your own safety of course.
And this isn't even off topic.
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Make sure you have docs paper work with you at all times if you have a respiratory problem when driving just a thought
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08-12-2020, 02:48 PM
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I didn't see if he was made to blow or gave blood to confirm his blood alcohol level. That would be interesting & throw a wrench into his story if he blew over.
This case seems to be a bit funny as far as what really went down. Lots of Huh moments.
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08-12-2020, 02:53 PM
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I'm sure you could. Should you have to if there is not any probable cause or indication that you are intoxicated?
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I don't think so but the legal system can be brutal and not everyone has the time/effort/money needed to go and fight the stupidity. If you had a drink and confident you had one drink yet cannot blow maybe it is easier just to do a blood test and move on.
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08-12-2020, 02:55 PM
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Make sure you have docs paper work with you at all times if you have a respiratory problem when driving just a thought
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What about people who are not aware they have a respiratory problem? Should they be guilty because they cannot blow?
Nevermind looks like they could give a blood test. Still don't like the guilty until proven innocent.
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08-12-2020, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AndrewM
More curious than anything. Could you submit to a blood test if not able to blow?
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Yes. You have the choice of blowing or a blood test.
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08-12-2020, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sweld
Yes. You have the choice of blowing or a blood test.
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Definitely options then if you are unable to blow. It does seem wrong to me that they could smell zero and have zero inclination yet demand your blood.
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08-12-2020, 03:04 PM
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What about people who are not aware they have a respiratory problem? Should they be guilty because they cannot blow?
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not sure how you would not know you had a respiratory proplem . my dad has COPD so we make sure he has his paper work with him when he is out on a road trip . He had a stroke as well so sometimes he acks like he has been drink but he is just having a rough day.
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08-12-2020, 03:06 PM
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Dont you think this gives the police to much power?
Example ex of a cop gets tested in front of her neighbours by the ex husbands friend.
People getting tested in front of workplace because they dont like his skin color or politics?
If someone is acting drunk and they have a reason its different,but god your giving them a lot of power here.
In rural places where everybody knows everybody it doesn't take anything to get a rumour started.
I would not want to be tested and I dont really drink either it just because of the way it would look to people.
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08-12-2020, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by W921
Dont you think this gives the police to much power?
Example ex of a cop gets tested in front of her neighbours by the ex husbands friend.
People getting tested in front of workplace because they dont like his skin color or politics?
If someone is acting drunk and they have a reason its different,but god your giving them a lot of power here.
In rural places where everybody knows everybody it doesn't take anything to get a rumour started.
I would not want to be tested and I dont really drink either it just because of the way it would look to people.
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yes i think it give them way to much power
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08-12-2020, 03:19 PM
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I did not know that.
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What did you think a check stop was?
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