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Old 08-04-2020, 01:33 PM
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That's what I'm doing, my kid doesn't need to be part of a massive social experiment for a disease that infects 2% of the population, hospitalizes .11%, and has a mortality rate of .03%. A disease that has shown NO transmission in children or from children to adults!
You don't see the irony in your post?
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Old 08-04-2020, 01:38 PM
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You don't see the irony in your post?
Whats the irony?
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:08 PM
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Raab..... mebe read your posts... n reflect a bit.



Or go on more bout how this is all the unions doing.....
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:09 PM
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There has been NO increase in cases for countries that have opened schools. The research suggests that children do NOT spread the virus and there have been NO cases of child to adult transmission that I know of! People need to stop letting their emotions drive them, and start looking at facts!

This video is worth watching on the subject https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GvPMAtwGUQ
Facts would be a good place for you to start......
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ening-georgia/
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:10 PM
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The masks are 100% because of the Teacher Union monopoly in education. My kid is not wearing a mask to get an education, when she's not a risk to spread the disease.
Hopefully they make it a requirement. No mask, no school.
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:23 PM
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Facts would be a good place for you to start......
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ening-georgia/
Please show me all the literature that shows transmission from children to adults. The fact is you won't find any. The high schools I can understand, but elementary schools are foolish. Not following the data, this is purely a political stunt pulled off by the ATA and their NDP counterparts playing on peoples fears.

Also apparently you missed this part of the article "Sloan Roach, spokeswoman for Gwinnett County Public Schools, which serves more than 180,000 students, told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that most of the cases were tied to community spread, rather than being spread at the schools."
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:36 PM
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Please show me all the literature that shows transmission from children to adults. The fact is you won't find any. The high schools I can understand, but elementary schools are foolish. Not following the data, this is purely a political stunt pulled off by the ATA and their NDP counterparts playing on peoples fears.

Also apparently you missed this part of the article "Sloan Roach, spokeswoman for Gwinnett County Public Schools, which serves more than 180,000 students, told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that most of the cases were tied to community spread, rather than being spread at the schools."
The head is the school board association was there to speak about this today.... and the UPC minister was there.... the ATA was not invited... and (for the record) has been ignored by the ministry for the last three weeks.

But according to you...... them dang commie union NDPers manipulated the current government into doing this.


Ok. That’s a fun and interesting narrative... I’d ask for proof but your in angry silly land right now so.....

I’ll just bow out and let you post up angry stuff.


Oh.... I jus got a Bane (from Batman) mask.... that’ll be fun!
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:37 PM
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Please show me all the literature that shows transmission from children to adults. The fact is you won't find any. The high schools I can understand, but elementary schools are foolish. Not following the data, this is purely a political stunt pulled off by the ATA and their NDP counterparts playing on peoples fears.

Also apparently you missed this part of the article "Sloan Roach, spokeswoman for Gwinnett County Public Schools, which serves more than 180,000 students, told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that most of the cases were tied to community spread, rather than being spread at the schools."
Then what’s the big deal? Send your kid to school, they aren’t susceptible anyways right??
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:37 PM
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Whats the irony?
The irony is you're not worried about transmission between kids and adults, but you said your going to keep your kid/kids home this year. If your not worried about child transmission you would not be worried about your kid going to school in person. I think its called situational irony.
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:42 PM
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Please show me all the literature that shows transmission from children to adults. The fact is you won't find any. The high schools I can understand, but elementary schools are foolish. Not following the data, this is purely a political stunt pulled off by the ATA and their NDP counterparts playing on peoples fears.

Also apparently you missed this part of the article "Sloan Roach, spokeswoman for Gwinnett County Public Schools, which serves more than 180,000 students, told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that most of the cases were tied to community spread, rather than being spread at the schools."
Schools closed down very soon after the pandemic started, thereby preventing large scale infections. Now that schools start up again you will start seeing infections occur, at least among areas that don't use full precautions like face masks because current studies prove young children do in fact carry the infection.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2768952
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:43 PM
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The irony is you're not worried about transmission between kids and adults, but you said your going to keep your kid/kids home this year. If your not worried about child transmission you would not be worried about your kid going to school in person. I think its called situational irony.
I'm worried about the psychological damage my kid may face as a result of this misguided policy. I think every parent should document how these measures effect their child's behaviour. If they notice substantial changes, I believe a class action lawsuit against the school boards, teachers union, and provincial government would be appropriate, because as I said there's no evidence to show kid's increase transmission!
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:50 PM
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That's what I'm doing, my kid doesn't need to be part of a massive social experiment for a disease that infects 2% of the population, hospitalizes .11%, and has a mortality rate of .03%. A disease that has shown NO transmission in children or from children to adults!
It is premature to say that there is NO transmission in children or from children to adults. (medRxiv 2020.05.20.20108126; doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.05.20.2...udy-says.aspx; https://www.ed.ac.uk/files/atoms/fil...te_4_final.pdf). However, it seems that the evidence leans towards a lesser role for children than older persons.

What does the "Teacher Union" have to do with the protocols laid down by the provincial health and education authorities? In Saskatchewan, the Teachers Federation has been ignored so far by the province.
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:51 PM
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I'm worried about the psychological damage my kid may face as a result of this misguided policy. I think every parent should document how these measures effect their child's behaviour. If they notice substantial changes, I believe a class action lawsuit against the school boards, teachers union, and provincial government would be appropriate, because as I said there's no evidence to show kid's increase transmission!
I would be more worried about children in a home where their guardians aren't doing everything they can to keep them safe. That would be an interesting court case......
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:51 PM
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Schools closed down very soon after the pandemic started, thereby preventing large scale infections. Now that schools start up again you will start seeing infections occur, at least among areas that don't use full precautions like face masks because current studies prove young children do in fact carry the infection.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2768952
You are so full of it, Scott. Anyone really, really in the know is fully aware that the Journal of the American Medical Association is a commie rag secretly funded by the NDP, but dressed up to look like the UCP. Over them is the all too powerful ATA. I think I've got it straight. Oi vey.

PS: The Illuminati are somehow involved too, but I haven't been able to figure out who's who because the handshakes have changed lately.
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:52 PM
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Schools closed down very soon after the pandemic started, thereby preventing large scale infections. Now that schools start up again you will start seeing infections occur, at least among areas that don't use full precautions like face masks because current studies prove young children do in fact carry the infection.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2768952
Top line of the second paragraph "Early reports did not find strong evidence of children as major contributors to SARS-CoV-2 spread"

The fact is several schools reopened in May and June around the world and saw NO INCREASE in infections. The study you posted is speculation based on other diseases, NOT Covid-19.
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:53 PM
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I'm worried about the psychological damage my kid may face as a result of this misguided policy. I think every parent should document how these measures effect their child's behaviour. If they notice substantial changes, I believe a class action lawsuit against the school boards, teachers union, and provincial government would be appropriate, because as I said there's no evidence to show kid's increase transmission!
Because of wearing a mask and washing ones hands regularly? Kids wear other masks and it doesn’t seem to give them PTSD, such as hockey cages, dirt bike chin guards and such. I feel the loss of idle chit chat and socializing will be worse for them.
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You are so full of it, Scott. Anyone really, really in the know is fully aware that the Journal of the American Medical Association is a commie rag secretly funded by the NDP, but dressed up to look like the UCP. Over them is the all too powerful ATA. I think I've got it straight. Oi vey.
Busted......
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It is premature to say that there is NO transmission in children or from children to adults. (medRxiv 2020.05.20.20108126; doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.05.20.2...udy-says.aspx; https://www.ed.ac.uk/files/atoms/fil...te_4_final.pdf). However, it seems that the evidence leans towards a lesser role for children than older persons.

What does the "Teacher Union" have to do with the protocols laid down by the provincial health and education authorities? In Saskatchewan, the Teachers Federation has been ignored so far by the province.
The union was not satisfied with the precautions the province was taking contrary to the evidence.
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Top line of the second paragraph "Early reports did not find strong evidence of children as major contributors to SARS-CoV-2 spread"

The fact is several schools reopened in May and June around the world and saw NO INCREASE in infections. The study you posted is speculation based on other diseases, NOT Covid-19.
Lots of schools opened early......but they used the best CURRENT information they had, and that included face masks.

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That's what I'm doing, my kid doesn't need to be part of a massive social experiment for a disease that infects 2% of the population, hospitalizes .11%, and has a mortality rate of .03%. A disease that has shown NO transmission in children or from children to adults!


Excellent. One less to worry about.
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:57 PM
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Because of wearing a mask and washing ones hands regularly? Kids wear other masks and it doesn’t seem to give them PTSD, such as hockey cages, dirt bike chin guards and such. I feel the loss of idle chit chat and socializing will be worse for them.
The psychological effects of being constantly worried they may be infected with a virus, or they may infect/hurt others at a young age will be interesting to see.

I'm not a psychologist, but I can't see how going into a situation of paranoia will be good for the kids, despite all evidence showing theres nothing to be worried about with regards to the schools.
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The union was not satisfied with the precautions the province was taking contrary to the evidence.
I gather the situation is different between Alberta and Saskatchewan. You are saying that the Alberta government accepted the measures requested by the teachers and put them into place. Is that correct?
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Excellent. One less to worry about.
Exactly. I'm sure classes will go much smoother when a few of the more conspiracy fixated parents keep their kids home.
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The union was not satisfied with the precautions the province was taking contrary to the evidence.
Raab, you have me confused. In this thread you are talking about Alberta schools but in the other one you said, "If the democrats win, the freedom we've enjoyed for the last 200 years in this world, will be a thing of the past."

Do you live in the US or Alberta? If Alberta, how does our freedom hang on Trump winning the next US election? I realize I am confusing two threads here, but that's because you've confused me.
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Lots of schools opened early......but they used the best CURRENT information they had, and that included face masks.

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"younger than 5 years with mild to moderate COVID-19 have high amounts of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA in their nasopharynx compared with older children and adults."
High RNA, does not mean they transmit the virus. If you look at the study Culture-Competent SARS-CoV-2 in Nasopharynx of Symptomatic Neonates, Children, and Adolescents cited in the JAMA article they admit "Severity in most children is limited, and children do not seem to be major drivers of transmission" Again they speculate that it's plausible children can spread the virus, it has NOT been proven.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-2403_article
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I spoke with a teacher (that is very pro mask) the other day regarding masks. During a trip to Calgary he wore a mask for 2 hours and the next day he had a debilitating headache. The kind of headache that created a very low function day. Lots of rest, low sunlight, damp cloth on eyes, etc.. I asked him how he would be able to teach consistently if wearing a mask on Day 1 caused him to be in such distress on Day 2? He didn't know.

This is going to be an issue that will have to be addressed. Physical distress brought on by prolonged mask usage.
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Again they speculate that it's plausible children can spread the virus, it has NOT been proven.
You did not indicate that the infectivity of children is not proven. You said there is no such thing. I can agree that more study is needed but not that there is NO transmission from children to others.
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This is going to be an issue that will have to be addressed. Physical distress brought on by prolonged mask usage.
Absolutely - even factors such as fatigue will need to be addressed.
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