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RimFire build
Starting to think about possibilities related to a .22LR build on a bolt action so open to any school’n. First order of business is to research a decent donor action, that accepts a threaded barrel...and not including the high end stuff like Anschutz. Thoughts?
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You could start as low as a Savage MKII, and go up from there. The Savage is a great rimfire. Then there’s Tikka, CZ, etc. Savage and CZ come
In all different variants as well.
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02-23-2020, 06:07 AM
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Lilja makes drop in barrels for the CZ 455 457 actions. The 457 trigger is fully adjustable, although the last one I adjusted I could only get down to 2lb 2oz. The 455 I can get a lot lower with a Yo Dave trigger kit but it has no adjustment for over travel. Both actions are nice.
Both of these rifle are designed to make barrel removal easy as the barrels are interchangeable. you can get a shim kit from Lilja for setting head space, not sure if the kit is included with the barrel.
Boyds makes stocks for both models.
Stay away from savage rimfires, their magazines are crap, their triggers are nothing to write home about either.
https://riflebarrels.com/product-cat...arrels/cz-455/
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02-23-2020, 07:17 AM
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Lilja makes drop in barrels for the CZ 455 457 actions. The 457 trigger is fully adjustable, although the last one I adjusted I could only get down to 2lb 2oz. The 455 I can get a lot lower with a Yo Dave trigger kit but it has no adjustment for over travel. Both actions are nice.
Both of these rifle are designed to make barrel removal easy as the barrels are interchangeable. you can get a shim kit from Lilja for setting head space, not sure if the kit is included with the barrel.
Boyds makes stocks for both models.
Stay away from savage rimfires, their magazines are crap, their triggers are nothing to write home about either.
https://riflebarrels.com/product-cat...arrels/cz-455/
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While I agree the cz is a " nicer" rifle, savage actions would be a great doner for a build. Affordable and upgradeable. I have never had any issue with the magazine's ( I have 10/ 5 shot and 2 / 10 shot) as a side I own 2 mkll's one with bull barrel one heavy barrel. Both out shoot my buddies 455 at 30,50,and 100 yds accuracy wise. But his mounted in a Boyd's us a much nicer rifle by far.
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02-23-2020, 08:14 AM
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What purpose do you have in mind?General plinking,Benchrest target single shot,mag fed bolt action repeater for Precision rimfire series?Gearing up for inevitable,soon to arrive, onslaught of the Gopher hoards?
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Hey Jim, another vote for the Savage.
You’ve seen me at the range for the last 5 years with my Savage .22 WMR (same action as the LR from my understanding).
Bought it with 4 magazines, never had a feeding problem with any of them.
On a windless day, and I don’t screw up it will shoot 1.25” at 100m, and the WMR isn’t known for its accuracy.
If you’re there today we plan to be at the range around noon today...if you’re there stop by and have a look.
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02-23-2020, 09:09 AM
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Those Vudoo are nice,OP mentioned not going Anshutz for high end though,so I'm thinking the Vudoo may definitely be over the price point.
They sure are a beautiful action and are probably,from what I'm reading,the top of the game right now.
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02-23-2020, 10:01 AM
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Thanks for the ideas. My idea is for a sporter style rig that shoots well with a medium contour barrel. I owned and sold a couple of Anschutz with 54 actions which were, of course, good shooters ... and when it boils down to the “why build” ... I have no other justification than “why not”?
I do have a couple of potential donors, both CZ452’s...an American in .22 and a Varmint in 17HMR. I think the Varmint models have pinned barrels which in my mind, is probably not the best system on which to build? Hence my preference for a threaded action.
I am not looking at any of the “LEGO” systems for which pre-chambered barrels are available.
Maybe the CZ American would be as a good donor as I would find?
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Savage MK IIs seems to be a popular choice for custom builds - I don't think you can go wrong there. I'm not 100% sure, but I think International Barrels might be making barrels for the Mk IIs?
If you talk to Jerry Teo at Mystic Precision(he's in BC) he can help you with parts. He's build/tweaked a lot of rifles for CRPS and ORPS and definitely knows his stuff
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I’m not really sure what you want to achieve or what your goals are when “building” a .22 but I have a savage MKII that has the bull stainless barrel and the Boyd’s thumbhole stock that was a great shooter that at 50 yards (once I found the ammo it likes) shot a dime sized group at worst and if i do my job it will do better.. I bedded, pillared, and put a new trigger in it, it does not shoot any better than it did from new. Really about the same as my cz 455 with a fluted bull barrel and the Boyds thumbhole. I have the savage with the spiral heavy barrel as well and it shoots about the same but is bone stock. But for fun, I still reach for the win 600 rabbit I restored. BTW, I did have a lot of grief with the one I pillared with regards to the mag from new, It took about two hours of tinkering but I got it cycling great with the fake blue bullets. It was not the mags but was the gun. Best upgrade that they should offer is new metal that the mag goes into, it flexes easily which is what causes the mag issues.
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Maybe talk to bighorn sales. They announced a while ago that they are bringing in zermatt rim x actions which are another rimfire action with a rem700 footprint.
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260 please keep us posted on your build. I am most interested.
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260 please keep us posted on your build. I am most interested.
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260 please keep us posted on your build. I am most interested.
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I will. I have a friend that gets me interested in what I call “bad ideas” (not bad in the literal sense, but bad in the sense that I really don’t need another “project” ... somebody is going to have to sell all this stuff when I croak ). Don’t know if it will come to pass, but there is “rumor” that a Canadian barrel maker is considering making/chambering a barrel for 22LR. If that happens, I want to be ready.
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Lilja makes drop in barrels for the CZ 455 457 actions. The 457 trigger is fully adjustable, although the last one I adjusted I could only get down to 2lb 2oz. The 455 I can get a lot lower with a Yo Dave trigger kit but it has no adjustment for over travel. Both actions are nice.
Both of these rifle are designed to make barrel removal easy as the barrels are interchangeable. you can get a shim kit from Lilja for setting head space, not sure if the kit is included with the barrel.
Boyds makes stocks for both models.
Stay away from savage rimfires, their magazines are crap, their triggers are nothing to write home about either.
https://riflebarrels.com/product-cat...arrels/cz-455/
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Agree on the mags. Strongly disagree on the triggers. CZ triggers are excellent before modifications? I don't think so. I own 3 and only one of the 3 will shoot with my Savage.
I find them to be fairly reknowned for some creep in pretty much all cases. Yo Dave has made a fortune because of it.
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I love my savage mkii with the accutrigger, it comes very close to matching my grandad’s (now uncle’s ) CIL310(Anschutz). Only hiccup is the magazine does not like to feed the truncated rounds. Anyone have a mod for that since we are talking Savage 22’s..
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I had both my 452 triggers worked and set to 2lbs ... and consider them to be excellent.
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Had mine built on a Winchester Model 52B action, which had already had the barrel turned to sporter profile, but not finally fitted.
I don't think there is a better action.
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I suspect finding a model 52 could be a challenge?
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What is your budget for a complete rifle?
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I have no “budget” in mind .... but frankly, there seems little point in spending in the range of a decent Anschutz to build a rimfire that shoots like an Anschutz. If costs are similar to CF builds, about $900.00 would get a barrel installed....so add the cost of the action to that. Can’t recall the exact amount, but I sold a “like new” Anschutz 1710 about a year ago for about $1700.00.
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Kimber or Cooper 22’s are excellent as well.
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I have no “budget” in mind .... but frankly, there seems little point in spending in the range of a decent Anschutz to build a rimfire that shoots like an Anschutz. If costs are similar to CF builds, about $900.00 would get a barrel installed....so add the cost of the action to that. Can’t recall the exact amount, but I sold a “like new” Anschutz 1710 about a year ago for about $1700.00.
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Ya, I'm sure the law of diminishing returns will apply here. I built a Vudoo but it cost me quite a bit more than most are willing to spend. Does it shoot any better than a $1700 Anschutz, maybe, maybe not.....but the build quality and the ability to customize is second to none.
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Kimber or Cooper 22’s are excellent as well.
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Yes, both are good but would be expensive as donors for a build. The CZ American I have was a very good shooter back in the day...easily as good as any of the Coopers I have seen using high velocity HP ammo.
The goal of the build I am contemplating would be to shoot relatively cheap subsonic ammo into decent groups from a sporter platform.
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I love my savage mkii with the accutrigger, it comes very close to matching my grandad’s (now uncle’s ) CIL310(Anschutz). Only hiccup is the magazine does not like to feed the truncated rounds. Anyone have a mod for that since we are talking Savage 22’s..
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Jerry Teo from Mystic Precision posted something on his Facebook page and the Mystic Precision Facebook page. It was also shared by the CPRS page.
I haven’t had any issues with my MKII haha zone other than only being able to get 9 in them. I disassembled them, filed a couple mm off the bottom of the follower and now there is no issues with losing all 10, and they feed better than my 10/22 magazines ever did. Although maybe I’m just lucky as my Remington 597 magazine have been flawless for me as well.
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A big reason you don't see a lot of 22 rimfire builds is that they shoot incredibly well if you step up to a 800$ plus factory rifle.
What you don't see is a lot of fibreglass stocks. What you will find is incredible walnut if you spend a bit more, and a trigger as good as it gets. And accurate with match ammo. In my mind putting together something on a cz action maybe fun, but you'll still end up with a less of gun for more $$ compared to higher level over the counter rimfires.
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Reproduction Model 52 Sporting rifles are a great bargain under $1 K too.
My build by a good maker cost a whole lot more, but much finer wood.
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