Quality Trout Fisheries in Alberta

[Gust]

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

Bow was quality today.....stinky but good

The Bow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DES_W7n9RoE

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by GustavMahler

This last page is like the last episode of "Lost" or "Seinfeld" WTF???,,, I wonder what direction it will take tomorrow? as rain/snow is in the forecast.

As for the invites, I was extremely select and know that they will C&R and it will make some think about chubbs idea.

guesstimate 11 days

11 days...that is kinda optimistic...but I like optimistic.

[chubbdarter]

i just found 100 mini choco bars left over from halloween......whoot whoot!!!! thought i'd share with all my buddies is this thread

p.s. iliketrout reads this thread now

[Gust]

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

i just found 100 mini choco bars left over from halloween......whoot whoot!!!! thought i'd share with all my buddies is this thread

cyber chocolate tastes quite bland but thanks for the offer. howz about you eat them all in one sitting and then write a reply at bar number 100.

I wonder what the next thread will get up to 1700 replies,,, the guy wanting two through six lines in his boat has started a pretty good argument but he needs to add more options to polarise opinion.

[Gust]

I wonder if Bigtoad is still reading?

Are you here Bigtoad? BIG TOAD???? EARTH TO BIG TOAD???

Being his thread, he should give a run down.

[BobLoblaw]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

11 days...that is kinda optimistic...but I like optimistic.

I'll meet you guys out there for a couple hours a night for the next week or so; bring your axes...
We'll have fishable open water in 11 days for sure!!!

[chubbdarter]

Originally Posted by GustavMahler

cyber chocolate tastes quite bland but thanks for the offer. howz about you eat them all in one sitting and then write a reply at bar number 100.

I wonder what the next thread will get up to 1700 replies,,, the guy wanting two through six lines in his boat has started a pretty good argument but he needs to add more options to polarise opinion.

no chance of that ...went to Montana's for all you can eat beef ribs...ate 7 huge ribs....burb....found the choco bars looking for Rolaids.

[chubbdarter]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

11 days...that is kinda optimistic...but I like optimistic.

huh??? whats 11 days?

[Braun]

Originally Posted by chubbdarter

huh??? whats 11 days?

GM thinks there will be fishable open water in calgary in 11 days. Maybe. at this rate of melt and with as much wind as we hat today, I could see it..... till we get another foot of snow

hey gustav, where is my invite?

[huntin'fool]

Originally Posted by Speckle55

Huntin fool

did you read my posts when i said how to do what some want but it will take some work and no one wants to do that..

I have given my opinion on how i would do that without taking a lake away from the current system ..

SRD does not have the time or $ to do what you want but you can do it as a group with them helping you when need ..


But hey i dont know anything and especially on fishingAttachment 34014
12#13oz Brook Trout

Yes Speckle, I did read. But quite honestly, your suggestion has no bearing on what us concerned trout fishermen are talking about. We're talking about proper management by those whom we've entrusted to look after our province.
If I had to do it myself, I would demand that the percentage of taxes I pay towards Alberta's stocking program be immediately returned to me....that would go far eh?
We put our trust in these guys, we all pay (or maybe you don't??), so we should all have equal say in how they are being managed. I wish more of the guys who are actually serious about this would phone their local bio, they would see what needs to be done.

[Speckle55]

Huntin fool did you look at www.hintonfishandgame.ca and look at club projects... we being, me as a representative of HFG , and the groups list did the project listed ..$2000000.. work done .... do you think that if you want to help one of your dead lake and you had a group like that with the help of everyone you could do a Restoration of 1 of those lakes .. stripping the lake and starting over ..trees may help?proper willows etc.. clean lake .. make bank stable..grass.. over a five year period .. change that lake to a example of what a Pot hole Prairie lake could be .. then work on planting 12 inch fish and aerate lake.. and watch fish grow in 12 months to 24 inch fish.. if grouped work casino u would have enough money to get $60000 x by 3 with grants ..stock lake with 12" fish at $5 .. show the world how to regenerate a lake..

Thinking outside the box

David

this is for you iliketrout because ilovetrout too ;

[Speckle55]

Chubb.. Brook Trout.. here is the mount she is number 3 ever and # 2 in WR books and the Current 8# line class NFWFHF and as you can see i broke her gills in picture before(post1767) .. she was back by my feet for 45 minutes drying out before pic .. it took 20min to load tour boat and started heading for home bay radio works sometime about 1 mile from Spirit Island .. they sent speed boat to get me and 2 friends as we were done for the day took 25 minutes to come and 25min to get to boat house which i weight her .. not a registered scale headed for Jasper at least 35 minutes away as i drive fast.. got to scale and weight her in at 12#13oz ..... 1oz under the current Alberta Record at 12#14 oz..
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[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by huntin'fool

THIS IS VERY INTERESTING,

EVERYONE take time to read this, you will understand exactly how Speckle thinks on life.

The Oilers were once good, won some cups, now they suck, Speckle says "Ahh ***** it, they were once good, leave them alone, they'll figure it out"

Just like.."Ahh ***** it, we caught a 10 pound rainbow in there once in 1928, leave the lake alone, it's fine."

No, actually!! Normal people who care about the Oilers want to see improvement in their play just like people who care about trout fishing want to see improvement in the fishing!!

He provided a perfect analogy to his mind set on our stocked trout lakes. Unreal. At least he is true to himself....???

Dude, you're stuck in the past. There is sound science and logic to improve our fisheries. End of story.

That goes for everyone, IMPROVEMENT is always possible.

I think that you have it all wrong huntin'fool.......but I can work with the analogy of making the Oilers a better team though.

Specks wants the oilers to build a new arena without changing the rules of the game. Make the ice surface the best in the league and have the highest class dressing rooms for the players. More seats would be added for kids and families to come and enjoy the games. The players will improve relative to the quality of their surroundings.

Me.........I'd keep the same arena and I wouldn't change the rules either. There's nothing wrong with the ice surface or dressing rooms now and there are plenty of seats for kids and families to come and enjoy the game. I'd keep 2 really good 1st and 2nd lines but the 3rd and 4th line players would always be subject to being fired/traded. Once a 3rd or 4th line player makes it to the 2nd line, you can no longer fire/trade him. Spectators will get to watch the same great players all the time, sometimes winning and other times not.

"Quality" anglers........First of all the darned arena is too far to drive to so they'll have to find a closer minor league arena to take over. Once the kids and family seats are taken out there will be more room for the grown-up men to watch. In order to let the Oilers win, they'd change the rules of the game to make it easier for them to watch a winning team.

As for the players..........their 1st and 2nd line players would be the only ones that they would fire/trade. Once they fire/trade all of their 1st and 2nd line players, the 3rd line players become 2nd line players making them eligible to be fired/traded. 4th liners move to the 3rd line and since there is a good supply of 4th liners they simply fill those positions back up.

I still can't figure out one thing though...........how will they ever have 1st line players if they are firing/trading all of their 2nd liners before they make it to the first line? The way that I see it is an Oiler team made up of only 3 lines...............a 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

Of course, this is just a dream that the Oilers GM has and the Board of Governors won't support it in any way shape or form. It's unfortunite but I think that their only viable option is to start their own league in fixer upper and newly built arenas.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by Speckle55

Huntin fool did you look at www.hintonfishandgame.ca and look at club projects... we being, me as a representative of HFG , and the groups list did the project listed ..$2000000.. work done .... do you think that if you want to help one of your dead lake and you had a group like that with the help of everyone you could do a Restoration of 1 of those lakes .. stripping the lake and starting over ..trees may help?proper willows etc.. clean lake .. make bank stable..grass.. over a five year period .. change that lake to a example of what a Pot hole Prairie lake could be .. then work on planting 12 inch fish and aerate lake.. and watch fish grow in 12 months to 24 inch fish.. if grouped work casino u would have enough money to get $60000 x by 3 with grants ..stock lake with 12" fish at $5 .. show the world how to regenerate a lake..

Thinking outside the box

David

this is for you iliketrout because ilovetrout too ;

Dont need to do any of that. There are lots of lakes nearby that all they need is reg changes.

By the way are you involved in or do you have anything to do with the Hinton Fish and Game clublol

[huntsfurfish]

Dave quote
"Me.........I'd keep the same arena and I wouldn't change the rules either. There's nothing wrong with the ice surface or dressing rooms now and there are plenty of seats for kids and families to come and enjoy the game. I'd keep 2 really good 1st and 2nd lines but the 3rd and 4th line players would always be subject to being fired/traded. Once a 3rd or 4th line player makes it to the 2nd line, you can no longer fire/trade him. Spectators will get to watch the same great players all the time, sometimes winning and other times not. "

Yup and Daves 1 and second lines are 3 and 4 lines elsewhere in the league.

thats why your team needs changes!lol

[McLeod]

Originally Posted by Speckle55

Chubb.. Brook Trout.. here is the mount she is number 3 ever and # 2 in WR books and the Current 8# line class NFWFHF and as you can see i broke her gills in picture before(post1767) .. she was back by my feet for 45 minutes drying out before pic .. it took 20min to load tour boat and started heading for home bay radio works sometime about 1 mile from Spirit Island .. they sent speed boat to get me and 2 friends as we were done for the day took 25 minutes to come and 25min to get to boat house which i weight her .. not a registered scale headed for Jasper at least 35 minutes away as i drive fast.. got to scale and weight her in at 12#13oz ..... 1oz under the current Alberta Record at 12#14 oz..
Attachment 34019

I often wonder if there arne't a few coasters left in Maligne. The records are sketchy at least to what I have found but I firmly believe from what I have discovered is some coasters were added to Maligne from the same bunch that ended up in Fortress. So there could be some Coaster genetics still out there. Your fish was old as well correct ?

[Speckle55]

Macleod .. yes she was 13 years old David Donald did a biopsy and gave me report didn,t say anything else. the last stock from Maligne Hatchery was in earily 70's can,t remember when it shut down ,, just new as a kid looking at those hens .. hhhmmm how can i jump fence and get those hogs... roflmao... but hey is there more like her YES YES YES i know it i just know.. you can QUOTE me on that.. David ,, i will be there 15,16,17 and 18 of June .. waaaahhhhoooo.. and if i don,t catch a fish thats ok and if i catch a little one thats ok.. but i will be keying on her period

[Speckle55]

Hunt yes to being on Hinton Fish and Game(on exec +20yrs) and other clubs.. i am the sexatery ..ooopppsss; the fish chair, run the website and org turkey shoot ,fish derby,funday,help youth centre .. YAL and anywhere else my two club Presidents/members need me.. David

[huntsfurfish]

Thanks for clearing that up.

And answering the question

[Speckle55]

Hunts ..just so u know I was chair on Rec board here they were closing skate board club losing society status because no adult on board just 1 young man.. i stepped up,,, we had the u shape wood ramp.. the young man said thanks for keeping club alive,, i asked him what he wanted for a skate board area etc how would it be the best.. he told me that a park was the best like Vancouver .. i said draw it out.. he did . i said this is do-able.. we went to town council and got support for land and got a 125000.00 grant from Alta gov and town matched .. got a retired Eng .. and then other people came on board and the young man got his dream.. the Park bears his Name ... Awesome Mike.. the kids in town use that park 12 months of year one of the firsts in Alberta ..

Thinking outside the Box

ps those young kids under 18 on club back then just built a bike park with jumps /rails/tilter etc that is the jewel of our area for bikes amazing how a thought can change the way peope think..

[Freedom55]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

LOL

I knew you were lurking.

Looks like I need to post more...HD is winning the thread posting count

Have fun F55...you hide your true feelings well - but obviously...the only reason to go to Saskatchewan is because they have some quality trout fishing there.

Eventually Albertans will too...then you will be back.

So Specs...you are off the hook...but still retired at 55! Good job...we all wanna be retired and fishing at 55...and posting

Plus a few extra yellows for F55

:fighting0074::fighting0030::angry3::shake::sEm_oops2:

What did I say? Am I gonna be banned? LOL

"I daresay it is you and this whole thread that is the embarassment mentioned on the General Discussion page. Stick to fishing young man.
Your science is rendered suspect by the delivery system, and I am convinced you know that all it takes is a rat-fink to get the ball rolling toward banishment.
You should have quit when you were ahead.
I think it means: Have a bald, round, fatfaced angry day yourself. Hopefully some of the yellow wears off."

Free ( )

[Speckle55]

Be the change you wish to see in the World- Ghandi

[huntin'fool]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

I think that you have it all wrong huntin'fool.......but I can work with the analogy of making the Oilers a better team though.

Specks wants the oilers to build a new arena without changing the rules of the game. Make the ice surface the best in the league and have the highest class dressing rooms for the players. More seats would be added for kids and families to come and enjoy the games. The players will improve relative to the quality of their surroundings.

Me.........I'd keep the same arena and I wouldn't change the rules either. There's nothing wrong with the ice surface or dressing rooms now and there are plenty of seats for kids and families to come and enjoy the game. I'd keep 2 really good 1st and 2nd lines but the 3rd and 4th line players would always be subject to being fired/traded. Once a 3rd or 4th line player makes it to the 2nd line, you can no longer fire/trade him. Spectators will get to watch the same great players all the time, sometimes winning and other times not.

"Quality" anglers........First of all the darned arena is too far to drive to so they'll have to find a closer minor league arena to take over. Once the kids and family seats are taken out there will be more room for the grown-up men to watch. In order to let the Oilers win, they'd change the rules of the game to make it easier for them to watch a winning team.

I hear what you're saying, but I don't think that's fair of you to say about "Quality Anglers" Whatever that even means....

It's not that we want to exclude kids/families/baitchuckers/people like you, no. It's that we want some more diversity so that people like me (and thousands of other anglers) don't have to drive either to Debolt or to Medicine Hat to have a better chance at catching a decent rainbow trout. There is nothing enjoyable about catching 100 tiddlers in one day to me...why even bother. The hooking mortality when smaller is much higher.

Speckles. I know about your projects. I'm from Hinton. Yes I do fish Maligne. But Maligne is not the point here. Maligne is a 2 fish limit, not stocked, national park. I'm talking getting some decent lakes nearby that are regulated by our province, not just a fish and game club. We have petite, mayan, trout pond, mary gregg, wildhorse, jarvis trout pond, millers, blah blah blah. Why not change one of those lakes to quality regs. How about Mary Gregg or Mayan to a 2 fish limit over 16". That way we're not taking the close by lakes away from kids/families.

Anyways, I don't think "WE" could make you guys understand "OUR" point of view any more. It is what it is.........

[Doc]

It appears this thread is finally winding down. I just want to say I had a lot of fun arguing with those against making "our" fisheries better. A big kudos to the moderators for not shutting it down. Although it at times got heated, most everyone was somewhat respectful in their opinions on others and their way of thinking which is all anyone can ask. In closing I would like to add, for everyone that thinks all stocked fisheries should remain the way they currently are now... YOU'RE WRONG!

Cheers,
Doc

[Gust]

Originally Posted by Doc

It appears this thread is finally winding down. I just want to say I had a lot of fun arguing with those against making "our" fisheries better. A big kudos to the moderators for not shutting it down. Although it at times got heated, most everyone was somewhat respectful in their opinions on others and their way of thinking which is all anyone can ask. In closing I would like to add, for everyone that thinks all stocked fisheries should remain the way they currently are now... YOU'RE WRONG!

Cheers,
Doc

If you need your debate fix, go check the "How many lines from a boat" thread and for fun, try to determine what side original poster would lean towards on this thread.

Sergei Prokofiev (the composer who wrote the score to Peter & The Wolf) when suffering composers/writers block would play a Russian variation of chess in which you set up 4 boards in a square and can't play another board until you move a pawn onto a neighboring board,, the object/win is 3 checkmates. Complex? Hardly, as he never got to have discussions on P&T Lakes on AOF.

If you think heavy metal is loud, wait for this piece by Prokofiev to pick up momentum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy84N_U5jw0

[McLeod]

Originally Posted by huntin'fool

I hear what you're saying, but I don't think that's fair of you to say about "Quality Anglers" Whatever that even means....

It's not that we want to exclude kids/families/baitchuckers/people like you, no. It's that we want some more diversity so that people like me (and thousands of other anglers) don't have to drive either to Debolt or to Medicine Hat to have a better chance at catching a decent rainbow trout. There is nothing enjoyable about catching 100 tiddlers in one day to me...why even bother. The hooking mortality when smaller is much higher.

Speckles. I know about your projects. I'm from Hinton. Yes I do fish Maligne. But Maligne is not the point here. Maligne is a 2 fish limit, not stocked, national park. I'm talking getting some decent lakes nearby that are regulated by our province, not just a fish and game club. We have petite, mayan, trout pond, mary gregg, wildhorse, jarvis trout pond, millers, blah blah blah. Why not change one of those lakes to quality regs. How about Mary Gregg or Mayan to a 2 fish limit over 16". That way we're not taking the close by lakes away from kids/families.

Anyways, I don't think "WE" could make you guys understand "OUR" point of view any more. It is what it is.........

I think Mary Gregg would be a good candidate for that. George has already made the changes for a couple Pierre lakes.

[Speckle55]

Huntin fool .. so lets see 4 lakes right in 1 hour of Hinton..what is your Quality lake have for regs.. then post your name in local paper and tell people to phone your number if they disagree with what you want on the lake you choose ..pay for Half a Page and make it Bold Attention Anglers.. Thanks


If you are not behind our Troops .. make sure you stand in Front!!!!

[madatter]

Originally Posted by Speckle55

Huntin fool .. so lets see 4 lakes right in 1 hour of Hinton..what is your Quality lake have for regs.. then post your name in local paper and tell people to phone your number if they disagree with what you want on the lake you choose ..pay for Half a Page and make it Bold Attention Anglers.. Thanks


If you are not behind our Troops .. make sure you stand in Front!!!!

Yo Specks there's a huge area of Alberta that has but a few,again a 100000 sq km piece of Alberta that boasts one or two lakes that most would call quality fishery.....maybe not up to your wonderful standards but we have what we have.....because of special regs.
You keep yipping spend the time,travel,learn the lakes...the big fish are there
Come on down to SE Alberta and put your time in,then come talk to us.
You keep yipping spend the money,build your own when it has already been proven down here that putting special regs on some lakes can work and costs nothing.....sounds awfully Liberalish(since we have an election coming up
Basically you keep yipping
U a politician?

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by huntin'fool

I hear what you're saying, but I don't think that's fair of you to say about "Quality Anglers" Whatever that even means....

It's not that we want to exclude kids/families/baitchuckers/people like you, no. It's that we want some more diversity so that people like me (and thousands of other anglers) don't have to drive either to Debolt or to Medicine Hat to have a better chance at catching a decent rainbow trout. There is nothing enjoyable about catching 100 tiddlers in one day to me...why even bother. The hooking mortality when smaller is much higher.

Speckles. I know about your projects. I'm from Hinton. Yes I do fish Maligne. But Maligne is not the point here. Maligne is a 2 fish limit, not stocked, national park. I'm talking getting some decent lakes nearby that are regulated by our province, not just a fish and game club. We have petite, mayan, trout pond, mary gregg, wildhorse, jarvis trout pond, millers, blah blah blah. Why not change one of those lakes to quality regs. How about Mary Gregg or Mayan to a 2 fish limit over 16". That way we're not taking the close by lakes away from kids/families.

Anyways, I don't think "WE" could make you guys understand "OUR" point of view any more. It is what it is.........

Yikes, its spreading.

[huntsfurfish]

That is the positive aspect of this post/thread. That there are differing opinions. Now from Hinton there is another voice. Great to see!

The train is coming.

And the people on that train seem to want some changes.lol