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05-20-2019, 07:56 PM
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Why does a pontoon boat cost so much money,
I bought a pretty basic pontoon 5 years ago, 21 feet with a 90HP motor nothing fancy, at the time I thought the 26,000$ I paid for it was a bit steep but that was the going price. Long story short, got sick of the drive to Mara lake sold her and stopped going to Mara. Well wife finds a place she likes on gull lake and she buys it. Okay lets get a boat, SAME BOAT is now 38,000 to 40,000.
The thing is literally 2 aluminum pontoons with a 5/8th pressure treated deck, some benches screwed to it, and a motor attached to the transom.
How did they jump up $14,000 in under 5 years.
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05-20-2019, 08:01 PM
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My guess would be foreign exchange, boat is probably made in the USA and our dollar has tanked
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05-20-2019, 08:43 PM
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Exchange rate, tariffs, and a booming USA economy.
The boat and RV market in Canada is really getting hit hard by those factors.
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05-20-2019, 09:34 PM
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Well wife finds a place she likes on gull lake and she buys it.
Kinda says it all, no?
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05-20-2019, 09:38 PM
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I've wondered the same thing about Caterhams. Basic design hasn't changed in 60 years and the things are $60k. I haven't come up with an answer, other than they can charge what they are and people still buy them.
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05-20-2019, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Hunter65
Well wife finds a place she likes on gull lake and she buys it.
Kinda says it all, no?
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No doubt. First world problems. Buy some alum. Build pontoons and slap some 5/8" decking on.
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05-20-2019, 10:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Walleyedude
Exchange rate, tariffs, and a booming USA economy.
The boat and RV market in Canada is really getting hit hard by those factors.
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Booming USA economy? hahahahahahaha
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05-20-2019, 10:31 PM
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Have been wondering why boats have gotten so expensive for a couple years now. Troubling to me is dealerships don't seem willing to deal at all either. Have gotten a couple of quotes and I've tried to negotiate down what i feel is a reasonable 10% or so and not even a reply, counter price, nothing.
Part of the problem is these longer term loans I believe. Why sell to a bargain hunter when you can wait and sell to someone who feels the monthly payment is reasonable even if it is over 12 years.
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05-20-2019, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by brslk
Booming USA economy? hahahahahahaha
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It amuses me how there are two are three people on this forum who always contest this fact.
" Credit a strong U.S. economy featuring low unemployment, rising wages and low gas prices", “The economy is just so strong right now and by all historic precedent the incumbent should run away with it,” said Donald Luskin, chief investment officer of TrendMacrolytics, "Yale economist Ray Fair, who pioneered this kind of modeling, also shows Trump winning by a fair margin in 2020 based on the economy",
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Sounds like it's a bust alright.
Or are you judging the last several years based on the last two weeks? I wouldn't think most would judge something like the economy over a period of two weeks...
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05-20-2019, 10:56 PM
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IMO if you need 12 years then you shouldn’t be buying the boat let alone any other toy.
The banks and govt want you to be so far in debt
Sorry for getting off topic.
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05-20-2019, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OL_JR
Part of the problem is these longer term loans I believe. Why sell to a bargain hunter when you can wait and sell to someone who feels the monthly payment is reasonable even if it is over 12 years.
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Are they seriously doing 144 month payment plans now or are you exaggerating to make a point? I thought for vehicles they were "only" up to 96 months.
edit: I just looked this up, apparently Pro Bass does indeed offer a 144 month payment plan. That is beyond crazy! Definitely with Ice Fishing regarding his comment.
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05-20-2019, 11:22 PM
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Booming USA economy? hahahahahahaha
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Seriously?
Take a drive anywhere through ND, SD, MN or WI, the heart of fishing boat country, and believe me, the joke will 100% be on you. Went to AZ this spring and the same deal there.
Boat and RV sales are very strong, wait times can be 4-6 months for a lot of brands and models, some you’re ordering for 2020.
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05-21-2019, 05:48 AM
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Because people are willing to pay it.......build one.
Red neck yacht
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05-21-2019, 09:05 AM
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The sky is the limit on pontoon boats these days.
I just picked up this one for the boss lady last week (her boat, not mine).
350 hp Verado.
A little over $150,000
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05-21-2019, 01:02 PM
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Why not buy used? Most aren’t romping the heck out of their pontoon boats anyhow, and even if they do need repair, long as the aluminum pontoons, outboard and overall structure is fine, there’s not much to them. Might need some minor seat repair or a few stains in the carpet. Big deal.
Maybe I don’t get the appeal of having the best boat on the dock, but when it comes to pontoons, I’m not sure how much more personal value I’d get out of a $28,000 lightly used pontoon boat versus the $150,000 one posted above me. Beer tastes the same while floating on either.
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05-21-2019, 01:51 PM
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Its totally driven by a finance bubble. There is plenty of talk about lofty auto loans in the US right now. Same thing with boats and RV's. Job rates are fairly steady so everyone feels good about signing long term debt obligations for toys. You'll notice the big manufacturers are pulling in the reigns and announcing big layoffs (See GM and Ford) even though they are making money. They know the writing is on the wall for a big pull back. Financing has a way of pulling years of demand forward and driving up prices in the near term. The hangover is a real b**ch however. Housing bubble 2.0. Keep yer powder dry. Deals will come.
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05-21-2019, 02:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Trochu
Are they seriously doing 144 month payment plans now or are you exaggerating to make a point? I thought for vehicles they were "only" up to 96 months.
edit: I just looked this up, apparently Pro Bass does indeed offer a 144 month payment plan. That is beyond crazy! Definitely with Ice Fishing regarding his comment.
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Lots of RV places offering 240 month terms.
https://www.travelandrvcanada.com/in...Langley-15389/
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05-21-2019, 02:27 PM
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I could totally handle $3000/month for the next 20 years sign me up!
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05-21-2019, 02:31 PM
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I had no idea.
5% WOW so roughly $230,000 in interest over the term.
That's incredible. I can't believe anyone would do that.
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05-21-2019, 02:37 PM
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I'm flabbergasted.
I know there is a debt issue in Canada, and I would like to think nobody would actually sign up for that, but I suspect I'd be wrong. Nothing like paying almost $800k for a $500k RV.
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05-21-2019, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by darren32
I had no idea.
5% WOW so roughly $230,000 in interest over the term.
That's incredible. I can't believe anyone would do that.
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But I want it right now and I deserve it
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05-21-2019, 03:35 PM
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But I want it right now and I deserve it
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That says it all about so many people today.
And then they complain that they'll never be able to afford a house or retire.
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05-21-2019, 03:46 PM
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05-21-2019, 04:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by darren32
The sky is the limit on pontoon boats these days.
I just picked up this one for the boss lady last week (her boat, not mine).
350 hp Verado.
A little over $150,000
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Bring her down to Gull, amd we can go for a cruise. I've seen em in the US with twin 200HP motors, and they get bigger too.
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05-21-2019, 04:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jstubbs
Why not buy used? Most aren’t romping the heck out of their pontoon boats anyhow, and even if they do need repair, long as the aluminum pontoons, outboard and overall structure is fine, there’s not much to them. Might need some minor seat repair or a few stains in the carpet. Big deal.
Maybe I don’t get the appeal of having the best boat on the dock, but when it comes to pontoons, I’m not sure how much more personal value I’d get out of a $28,000 lightly used pontoon boat versus the $150,000 one posted above me. Beer tastes the same while floating on either.
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I would buy used but there is not much out there. I am in no hurry, might buy a used fishing boat till the right thing at the right price comes along.
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05-21-2019, 05:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by darren32
I had no idea.
5% WOW so roughly $230,000 in interest over the term.
That's incredible. I can't believe anyone would do that.
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Jeepers eh.....
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05-21-2019, 05:29 PM
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This one is reasonably priced.
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05-21-2019, 06:02 PM
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This one is reasonably priced.
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Hey....I don't remember giving permission to take pictures of me and my friends in my new to me pontoon....alittle privacy here please.🤓
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05-21-2019, 06:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Trochu
Are they seriously doing 144 month payment plans now or are you exaggerating to make a point? I thought for vehicles they were "only" up to 96 months.
edit: I just looked this up, apparently Pro Bass does indeed offer a 144 month payment plan. That is beyond crazy! Definitely with Ice Fishing regarding his comment.
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Just bought a boat last week. I was offered financing up to 15 years.
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05-21-2019, 07:00 PM
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Somebody has to reign this in. I'm not one to go for governments meddling in the market, but 15 year loans on toys is a bubble.
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