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Old 12-01-2016, 04:38 PM
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Hey Guys,

I was wondering, can I ride a bike down the quad track or the like with a loaded .22lr?

Not that I need to be loaded but I am just wondering the legality of it. Has anyone done it before? I'm think for hunting small game or grouse.
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Old 12-01-2016, 06:19 PM
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Hey Guys,

I was wondering, can I ride a bike down the quad track or the like with a loaded .22lr?

Not that I need to be loaded but I am just wondering the legality of it. Has anyone done it before? I'm think for hunting small game or grouse.
Must be unloaded during transport.
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Old 12-01-2016, 09:52 PM
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Must be unloaded during transport.
On a peddle bike?
What about a horse?
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Old 12-01-2016, 09:55 PM
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Must be unloaded during transport.
But if you're walking with a loaded gun, r u not transporting it?
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Old 12-01-2016, 09:58 PM
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I would assume your OK. Because is being manually driven. But dont ride with it loaded.
This is my assumption. And you know what that usually make out of me !
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Old 12-01-2016, 10:22 PM
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I've seen a few guys using bikes on the Cypress Hills hunt.
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Old 12-02-2016, 12:17 AM
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I would assume your OK. Because is being manually driven. But dont ride with it loaded.
This is my assumption. And you know what that usually make out of me !
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Do you realize what he is asking? The only question he asked is if he could ride his bike with a loaded rifle. You guys...
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Old 12-02-2016, 12:18 AM
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But if you're walking with a loaded gun, r u not transporting it?
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Really? You passed a course saying you could possess a firearm?
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Old 12-02-2016, 01:05 AM
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Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations
SOR/98-209
FIREARMS ACT

Interpretation
1*The definitions in this section apply in these Regulations.

vehicle means any conveyance that is used for transportation by water, land or air.

Wildlife Act - Province of Alberta

(jj) “vehicle” means a device, other than an aircraft or boat, in, on or by which a person or thing may be transported;

Use of vehicles, boats and aircraft 33(1) A person shall not

(b) use a vehicle, aircraft or boat with intent to harass, injure or kill wildlife,
(c) discharge a weapon from a vehicle, aircraft or boat, other than a boat that is propelled by muscular power or anchored, or
(d) have a loaded firearm on or in a vehicle, aircraft or boat, other than a boat so propelled or anchored.

Alberta Hunting Regulations

GENERAL

It is unlawful to

have a loaded firearm (live ammunition in breech, chamber or magazine) in or on, or discharge a weapon from
a boat unless the boat is propelled by muscular power or is at anchor and the person is hunting, or
any kind of aircraft or vehicle whether it is moving or stationary.
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Old 12-02-2016, 09:10 AM
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Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations
SOR/98-209
FIREARMS ACT

Interpretation
1*The definitions in this section apply in these Regulations.

vehicle means any conveyance that is used for transportation by water, land or air.

Wildlife Act - Province of Alberta

(jj) “vehicle” means a device, other than an aircraft or boat, in, on or by which a person or thing may be transported;

Use of vehicles, boats and aircraft 33(1) A person shall not

(b) use a vehicle, aircraft or boat with intent to harass, injure or kill wildlife,
(c) discharge a weapon from a vehicle, aircraft or boat, other than a boat that is propelled by muscular power or anchored, or
(d) have a loaded firearm on or in a vehicle, aircraft or boat, other than a boat so propelled or anchored.

Alberta Hunting Regulations

GENERAL

It is unlawful to

have a loaded firearm (live ammunition in breech, chamber or magazine) in or on, or discharge a weapon from
a boat unless the boat is propelled by muscular power or is at anchor and the person is hunting, or
any kind of aircraft or vehicle whether it is moving or stationary.
What about skis or snowshoes? Sounds the same for me.
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Old 12-02-2016, 09:35 AM
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Crap now you tell me I have to go in bare feet poop I hate those rose bushes
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Old 12-02-2016, 12:43 PM
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This might be just me but I wonder how well a person can control the muzzle direction while biking.
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Old 12-02-2016, 01:20 PM
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This might be just me but I wonder how well a person can control the muzzle direction while biking.
I was wondering the same thing. He might be using a scabbard of some kinde which would keep it in place.

If it was me for safety reasons it would be unloaded. But that's just me.

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Old 12-02-2016, 01:32 PM
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I've seen a few guys using bikes on the Cypress Hills hunt.
A fellow asked about using a bicycle at the Cypress briefing this year and the answer from the officers was it is a vehicle - no loaded firearm on the bike.
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Old 12-02-2016, 01:37 PM
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So I went out this morning quickly. I didn't have much time unfortunately, but was able to test it out.

- I kept the rifle unloaded the entire time riding the bike.

- I was able to sling the rifle between my back pack and sling and maintain fairly good control. It's a 10/22 carbine.

In the future, I will just strap it to to a medium size back pack, just like you would on a hike into the mountains.

Like I said I didn't have much time, I saw one bird but it managed to escape me without a shot. Do you think slowly mountain biking is too quick to look for grouse and the like? It just allows me to get in much quicker to where I want to hunt and cover quad trail terrain quicker. I see grouse all the time but have never pursued them other than today. What style do you guys hunt them if you are without a dog, would you stick to game trails, quad trails?
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Old 12-02-2016, 02:56 PM
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A fellow asked about using a bicycle at the Cypress briefing this year and the answer from the officers was it is a vehicle - no loaded firearm on the bike.


A bike is certainly subject to the same laws as a car on the road and by look of the definitions above, while transporting a firearm too. Who'd of known?


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Old 12-02-2016, 05:25 PM
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What about walking with a loaded gun?
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Old 12-02-2016, 05:26 PM
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Or possessing one while walking?
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Old 12-02-2016, 06:14 PM
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What about walking with a loaded gun?
What reference are you using that equates a person as being a vehicle?
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Old 12-02-2016, 06:29 PM
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Not seeing a slinged or otherwise attached rifle to a pack or an individual ridinig a bicycle being able to control the muzzle. Now add to that a loaded rifle and you are an accident waiting to happen.
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Old 12-02-2016, 06:41 PM
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I don't figure where this idea of an uncontrolled muzzle comes from? If I strap a rifle to a pack and walk with it how would I have more control of the muzzle than if I ride a bike with the pack on? There are lots of slinging options that do not require the use of your hands to keep the rifle secure - biathalon is one of the first that comes to mind. How is a bicycle different than cross country skis for control?

We have already established that it is illegal to have a loaded firearm on a bicycle.
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Old 12-02-2016, 06:53 PM
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I don't figure where this idea of an uncontrolled muzzle comes from? If I strap a rifle to a pack and walk with it how would I have more control of the muzzle than if I ride a bike with the pack on? There are lots of slinging options that do not require the use of your hands to keep the rifle secure - biathalon is one of the first that comes to mind. How is a bicycle different than cross country skis for control?

We have already established that it is illegal to have a loaded firearm on a bicycle.
Well stated.
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Old 12-02-2016, 06:56 PM
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A fellow asked about using a bicycle at the Cypress briefing this year and the answer from the officers was it is a vehicle - no loaded firearm on the bike.
I would say this answers the question. we can interpret the law anyway we like but ultimately how does the one who charges you interpret it?

Sure you can fight anything in court but who has the time to argue, in front of a judge, semantics over the legality of riding bicycle with a loaded 22.
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Old 12-02-2016, 07:01 PM
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You'd have better success with a pellet pistol. Keep it loaded safety on in a place that is easily accessible. See ruffie, draw your air gun and drop the finest bird in the bush. Last time I went quadding I got three with a slingshot, and I'm a lousy shot. I use a .22 on foot and it works great. Good luck
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Old 12-02-2016, 07:07 PM
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I have a Montana Scabbard on my bike, my 30-06 goes in it with a loaded mag and nothing up the spout. By legal definition the gun is loaded but it's safe. Hunting on a bicycle is cool I don't care what the lardos think, keep at it OP great way to fly.
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Old 12-02-2016, 07:12 PM
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Just because I do something that may get me in trouble doesn't mean I should advise others to do the same
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Old 12-02-2016, 08:17 PM
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Old 12-02-2016, 09:30 PM
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Or possessing a vehicle?
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Old 12-02-2016, 11:47 PM
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A fellow asked about using a bicycle at the Cypress briefing this year and the answer from the officers was it is a vehicle - no loaded firearm on the bike.
I was that guy....... shot my elk on the first morning and the F&W guys just laughed when they saw my bike next to the dead elk.

"So you were serious about that bike hey!?!?"

Ha ha, they were great guys, had an awesome sense of humor.
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Old 12-02-2016, 11:56 PM
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Unreg user: While the law probably didn't mean to, it clearly doesn't allow a loaded FA on a bike. It makes sense that it should be allowed but it isn't. I wouldn't do it and certainly wouldn't go announcing online that I'm regularly committing a mandatory prison offense.
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