Covid Second Wave... a comparison to the 1918 Spanish Flu

[hunterngather]

Sounds like AHS is sending covid patients to AB hospital to free up space in the Alex and U of A.

Say what you want about covid. The impacts on the health system is undeniable.

[bessiedog]

This is bad ........

[RavYak]

Originally Posted by Glion

Its actually not to difficult and has been done. And you can pull out other factors and see correlations easily ie population density. So it isn't difficult and many of the countries approached very similarly so when there are differences in cases you can then see what is the same and different between countries. Anyway the whole point is that the science and data does not back up mask wearing as an effective way to combat viral spread. And it actually isn't to hard to back it up with statistics. Whether you want to discredit the statistics is a different matter.

I can't discredit statistics if none are presented. Show me these statistics.

I haven't seen such a study/analysis.

[Glion]

Originally Posted by RavYak

I can't discredit statistics if none are presented. Show me these statistics.

I haven't seen such a study/analysis.

I will see if I have time next week but I did post many of them previously but have fun searching lol.

[KinAlberta]

This is somewhat interesting but the headline is misleading.

Coronavirus invades men’s reproductive organs, can affect their fertility | Local 22/44 News
https://www.newsnationnow.com/health...eir-fertility/

[KinAlberta]

Low oxygen levels?

“This can't be happening. It's not real."

South Dakota nurse says some COVID-19 patients die in denial

"They tell you there must be another reason they are sick. They call you names and ask why you have to wear all that 'stuff' because they don’t have COViD because it’s not real. Yes. This really happens."

In an interview with CNN, Doering said her description wasn't about a single patient. She tweeted after her frustration boiled over, as she recalled numerous patients whose dying words echoed the same theme: "This can't be happening. It's not real."


While many patients accept that they are sick with the virus, the ones who do not will often lash out in anger and grasp at other explanations, suggesting they have the flu or even lung cancer, she said. Doering said she often watches these patients' conditions deteriorate as she tries to convince them to say goodbye to loved ones.“...



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...al/6330791002/

[Talking moose]

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...s-need-to-know
Edit: don’t shoot the messenger. Believe it or don’t believe it.

[RandyBoBandy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziu8AtJrEDM
Interesting video of life on Earth from 1900 on and what we "have" to suffer through NOW versus back then...We should be embarrassed

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

This is bad ........

Yup

Same number of cases in Alberta and Ontario but Alberta has 1/3 of the population.

I predict a shut down announced tomorrow and effective Monday.

[KinAlberta]

Most parents try to teach their kids that their actions and inactions have consequences. Sometimes the words just don't stick and the kids grow up having to learn everything the hard way.

As Virus Stresses Texas Hospitals, Rural Patients Face Greater Risks

“...But with local virus cases surging beyond their previous peaks in the summer and early fall and the region’s closest major hospitals overwhelmed by an influx of Covid-19 patients, some are warning residents here and in other rural parts of Texas of a newly heightened risk that may at first sound unthinkable in the world’s richest nation: If you get deathly sick with Covid-19, it might be hard to find a hospital bed.
...

“This past weekend, we actually called 27 hospitals in four states to get one [Covid] patient transferred out,” said Holly Holcomb, chief operating officer of the 39-bed Childress Regional Medical Center in Childress, Texas, a Panhandle town of about 6,000 people.

Holcomb said her team did eventually find a bed for that patient at a larger facility, where she was promptly put on a ventilator. But it took persistence.

“We’re to the point where we’re having to reach out for personal favors to physicians in the area, calling their cellphones, saying, ‘please help us save this person, here’s a picture of who we’re trying to save, can you help us secure a bed,’” Holcomb said.

Others, and not just Covid-19 patients, haven’t been so lucky. Holcomb told of a 54-year-old man who ...”

https://www.courthousenews.com/as-vi...greater-risks/

[Sundancefisher]

1 in 5 US hospitals are now short staff due to Covid.

UTAH 84% of ICU is full.

In one hospital in the US a ruptured gall bladder patient couldn’t get a bed and surgery and died.

More than 187,000 cases in one day in the US.

On a optimistic note researchers said the mortality rate has fallen...but the review continues to understand by how much and what the root cause is.

Hopefully it keeps falling.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

1 in 5 US hospitals are now short staff due to Covid.

UTAH 84% of ICU is full.

In one hospital in the US a ruptured gall bladder patient couldn’t get a bed and surgery and died.

More than 187,000 cases in one day in the US.

On a optimistic note researchers said the mortality rate has fallen...but the review continues to understand by how much and what the root cause is.

Hopefully it keeps falling.

The mortality rate has fallen...... is it possible that’s because of wide spread testing? If you thought there were only 250,000 people with covid but now they realize it was actually 1.5 million people that have it?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

The mortality rate has fallen...... is it possible that’s because of wide spread testing? If you thought there were only 250,000 people with covid but now they realize it was actually 1.5 million people that have it?

No. Right now all we can do is speculate and guess and neither of us are knowledgeable enough to say.

If I was guessing I would say that any organism that spreads by infection should by the nature of evolution should move towards increased infection rate and decreased mortality. As the virus does morph to a degree, it could be weakening but still very dangerous to many.

There has also been reports on how medical attention and treatment has changed over time.

Also people could be behaving differently after finding out early they have Covid and are adjusting something in their life that has been impactful. Initial treatment and start thereof could be critical to prevent viral loading and cell die off in the lungs.

What may become worse is longer lasting damage to lung and heart tissue which could make growing older harder and more dangerous.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

What may become worse is longer lasting damage to lung and heart tissue which could make growing older harder and more dangerous.

Who would benefit most from people not living too 100?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

Who would benefit most from people not living too 100?

You said 100. Lol. But carry on.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

You said 100. Lol. But carry on.

Ok 70?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

Ok 70?

You can pick a new number if ya like. You still don’t have a point.

[RavYak]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

The mortality rate has fallen...... is it possible that’s because of wide spread testing? If you thought there were only 250,000 people with covid but now they realize it was actually 1.5 million people that have it?

Mortality rate has been estimated to be around 0.5% for quite a while now.

There are two reasons for higher mortality in some areas. One underestimates the number of cases, the other is actually higher mortality.

1) Not testing enough.

2) Hospitals overwhelmed so people can't get proper treatment.

In the spring both of the above were the case. No country had the test capability to test effectively and multiple countries became overwhelmed.

In reality it doesn't matter if the value is 3% or 0.5%, the answer is high enough until there is more immunity. There have not yet been signs of immunity even in countries that have had far more significant outbreaks compared to us.

If you assume 0.5% mortality then here in AB our 462 deaths would imply that only 92,400 people have been infected, a whopping 2% of our population... Heck even if you are overly conservative and assume mortality is the same as the flu (0.1%), that implies only 462,000 people (10.5% of population) have been infected. Still a long way to go until herd immunity (approx 70%).

[KinAlberta]

This is the issue. Doing little and waiting for herd immunity is essentially a do nothing and let the bodies pile up approach.

The rapid exponential spread of a virus would very quickly impose a whole lot of misery on the country. An overwhelmed health care system leaves people in the cue to die when a flattened curve might have saved them.

Nothing new here though, we’ve all known that from the start, but now we get to see in places like rural America’s hospitals some of the consequences of the disregard for others. (Slack underwhelming efforts, protests, rallies, social gatherings, etc. have all put other vested interests and desires in front of the desire to slow the pandemic to reduce the death toll.)