Leased land

[jungleboy]

Was asked this question today so ,thought I would throw it out there .
Does lease land IE; grazing lease . have to be cleared of cattle by Nov 1st and are lease holders allowed to post no hunting/trespass signs on said land.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

Was asked this question today so ,thought I would throw it out there .
Does lease land IE; grazing lease . have to be cleared of cattle by Nov 1st and are lease holders allowed to post no hunting/trespass signs on said land.

I know that people leasing cattle can apply for extensions and in those cases the animals do not have to be off by November 1st.

LC

We've had our cattle on the lease well into the winter, Jan/Feb. I believe they can stay but you can't feed on the lease. As far as the posting of no hunting/trespassing, you're not allowed to. However, you must/should contact the leaseholder when entering on lease land to hunt or trespass. And you may want to check but I believe foot access only.

[Redspy]

The lease holder can not post no hunting / trespassing signs on their leased land however many post the "USE RESPECT" signs that states their name and phone number for approval. And if you are found on the land without authorization the lease holder can ask you to leave and not let you back on.

[jungleboy]

Thanks , my friend had permission on this land previously but found it posted and full of cattle this year so he was wondering what the deal was. I don't know where it is he was hunting but he asked me ,so I asked you . Thanks again.

[saddleup]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

Was asked this question today so ,thought I would throw it out there .
Does lease land IE; grazing lease . have to be cleared of cattle by Nov 1st and are lease holders allowed to post no hunting/trespass signs on said land.

Depends on the type of lease, community pastures, prov. grazing leases etc must be cleared by NOV. 1, however private grazing dispostions are different, for example if you only start to graze in Nov. and your AUM (animal units per month) allows you to graze for five months then you could conceiveably graze from nov. to end of march, if snow conditions permitted. Then again there is anothe set of rules for agricultural crop dispositions... its not all cut and dried is what I am saying... contrary to some peoples belief.. No Trespassing signs are allowed, all trespassing is with permission only... dont believe you can post no hunting... however again this is a fine line...hunting with permission only..

[duffy4]

tres·passed, tres·pass·ing, tres·pass·es
1. To commit an offense or a sin; transgress or err.
2. Law To commit an unlawful injury to the person, property, or rights of another, with actual or implied force or violence, especially to enter onto another's land wrongfully.
3. To infringe on the privacy, time, or attention of another:


Seems to me we misuse the term Trespass when we are talking about Crown Owned land held under a disposition. (grazing lease)

How can we "enter onto another's land wrongfully" when the lease land does not belong to the lessee.


The provincial gov't has for so many years had this confusion regarding leased land. They thought they had it sorted out with the system they have in lce now with the website for access information. And yet there still seems to be a lot of questions and confusion on here about it.

[Don K]

There's a lease beside one of the places we hunt in 208, and the 'rancher' leaves a few cattle in for the month of November. He says they are looking for the missing animals and won't let anyone on the land to hunt. He or his hands fly the river valley looking for his cows. Funny thing is he's an outfitter and his familynand clients hunt it... Bul$&@it!

[duffy4]

Originally Posted by Don K

There's a lease beside one of the places we hunt in 208, and the 'rancher' leaves a few cattle in for the month of November. He says they are looking for the missing animals and won't let anyone on the land to hunt. He or his hands fly the river valley looking for his cows. Funny thing is he's an outfitter and his familynand clients hunt it... Bul$&@it!

This kind of thing should be reported to the "Lands" people who look after the area. It is an abuse of the system and should not be allowed to continue.

If the Gov't will not uphold the system then the public may start to believe they can abuse it too.

[saddleup]

Originally Posted by duffy4

tres·passed, tres·pass·ing, tres·pass·es
1. To commit an offense or a sin; transgress or err.
2. Law To commit an unlawful injury to the person, property, or rights of another, with actual or implied force or violence, especially to enter onto another's land wrongfully.
3. To infringe on the privacy, time, or attention of another:


Seems to me we misuse the term Trespass when we are talking about Crown Owned land held under a disposition. (grazing lease)

How can we "enter onto another's land wrongfully" when the lease land does not belong to the lessee.


The provincial gov't has for so many years had this confusion regarding leased land. They thought they had it sorted out with the system they have in lce now with the website for access information. And yet there still seems to be a lot of questions and confusion on here about it.

There is nothing worse than an armchair lawyer.........

[AbAngler]

Here is a great resource for finding leased land and contact info. For some reason I can't get it to work today though....

http://xnet.env.gov.ab.ca/imf/imf.jsp?site=rec_access

Anyone else having issues getting the map to load?

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by Don K

There's a lease beside one of the places we hunt in 208, and the 'rancher' leaves a few cattle in for the month of November. He says they are looking for the missing animals and won't let anyone on the land to hunt. He or his hands fly the river valley looking for his cows. Funny thing is he's an outfitter and his familynand clients hunt it... Bul$&@it!

It is illegal for a grazing lease holder to hunt a disposition when access to the public is being denied.

Report them. Or if you feel like helping to establish precedent, go hunt there when they do.

From the Wildlife Act HUnting Regulations....

http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlig...-143-1997.html

Compliance with s49, Act, exemptions

117.1(1) Definitions in section 13.08(1) of Schedule 1 apply in this section.

(2) A person who is allowed access to privately owned land and to hunt under the terms and conditions of a filed program and a filed access management plan shall not access that land or so hunt or undertake any activity directly or indirectly related to hunting on that land

(a) except in full compliance with the applicable terms and conditions of that filed program and access management plan, and

(b) unless that person has carefully reviewed all of those terms and conditions that are substantive and relevant to any of those proposed activities.

(3) A program host who is a party to an extant access management plan shall comply with the applicable terms and conditions of the filed program and the filed access management plan.

(4) It is part of the terms and conditions of the relevant licence of a person referred to in subsection (2) that the person does not contravene subsection (2).

[Don K]

So we CAN hunt on land after Nov 1, by foot, if it is grazing lease?
How is the lease land differentiated? Not really looking to get myself in a pinch to prove a point...