Alberta moves toward 'opt out' organ donation system

[IAMhunt]

Not surprising coming from one of the only two provincial governments that practiced eugenics , ( forced sterilization of mentally challenged persons )

Harvesting human organs without consent ? hmmm

What next collecting shrunken heads,

[josey]

First day I am going to opt out. That's not the right approach. I am not going to do it if it's automatic "in".

[Indy]

Pretty easy to look up on Alberta Health page if you have consented, those of you that are worried about scientific research should re-read the options for consent.
I consented to all, I don't need to be taking up a bunch of space as reminder that I once lived. If anyone can use it great, otherwise turn up the flames!

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Indy

Exactly.

I don't know if I'm a donor or not, I thought I signed up for it but will need to check that out. This is a great idea and if you want out sign up. Looks like the majority wins in this case.

It doesn't matter if you didn't sign your consent form, because if you are ever in position to donate organs your family will be approached and asked for consent to harvest.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by josey

First day I am going to opt out. That's not the right approach. I am not going to do it if it's automatic "in".

This is why I would like to see an opt out for donation that precludes those that do from receiving also. It's your right to say no, but then why should you ever receive an organ if you need one???

[fishtank]

this will put a dent in the organ black market....oh wait

[timsid1]

About damn time.

[josey]

Originally Posted by Scott h

This is why I would like to see an opt out for donation that precludes those that do from receiving also. It's your right to say no, but then why should you ever receive an organ if you need one???

I am a donor now but I don't agree with automatic opt in!

[Indy]

Originally Posted by Scott h

This is why I would like to see an opt out for donation that precludes those that do from receiving also. It's your right to say no, but then why should you ever receive an organ if you need one???

Mostly because people have an opinion regarding this issue now but as soon as they are in need they change their mind. And rightfully so, ignorance is bliss, and making a poor choice (in my opinion) shouldn't cost you your life. I have no issue with someone opting out then receiving an organ, I would bet they change their mind about donating.

[Hunt4Ever]

Originally Posted by vcmm

Slippery slope when your government can take your body parts
Flame suit on!

Who gets your Organs? I don’t want my organs going to someone who’s destroyed their organs; lungs due to smoking, liver to an alcoholic... and any drug addict, convicted criminal or poacher. There should be more choice for the donor than “opt in/out” on your drivers license.

[jrowan]

Originally Posted by Indy

Exactly.

I don't know if I'm a donor or not, I thought I signed up for it but will need to check that out. This is a great idea and if you want out sign up. Looks like the majority wins in this case.

It'll be on your license if you renewed it recently.

[bobtodrick]

Originally Posted by josey

First day I am going to opt out. That's not the right approach. I am not going to do it if it's automatic "in".

So if you're in a serious accident and rushed to emergency unconscious you wouldn't mind if they let you die because you weren't able to consent??

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by josey

I am a donor now but I don't agree with automatic opt in!

The system has been proven to work much better in other parts of the world with much higher retrieval rates than we have here in Canada The biggest issue with transplantation programs is peoples understanding, knowledge and preconceptions.

[raab]

This coming from a “conservative” government. I’ll be bringing this up to leadership as a member of the party. The government should not be involved and it should be left up to the person or their trustee.

[Indy]

Originally Posted by raab

This coming from a “conservative” government. I’ll be bringing this up to leadership as a member of the party. The government should not be involved and it should be left up to the person or their trustee.

It is up to the individual - you can opt out. But I do hope that a trustee can speak for the deceased in the case they didn’t opt out but wished they had.

[pikergolf]

In my mind it should come as a package, do you agree to be in the organ transplant program. If you opt out, you opt out of receiving an organ as well. I have no problem with a positive enrollment, although I could live with the question that I outlined above. When you get your license you are asked do you want to be part of the organ program, a negative answer eliminates you from receiving one as well.

[Indy]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

In my mind it should come as a package, do you agree to be in the organ transplant program. If you opt out, you opt out of receiving an organ as well. I have no problem with a positive enrollment, although I could live with the question that I outlined above. When you get your license you are asked do you want to be part of the organ program, a negative answer eliminates you from receiving one as well.

Why?

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by Indy

Why?

Why what?

[Indy]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Why what?

Why do you have to opt in to receive a donor organ?

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by Indy

Why do you have to opt in to receive a donor organ?

It's my opinion? If you are not willing to share with me, I am more than willing to have my organs go to someone that was willing to share. Do you have another thought?

[Indy]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

It's my opinion? If you are not willing to share with me, I am more than willing to have my organs go to someone that was willing to share. Do you have another thought?

I understand that point of view. Just wanted to know where you were coming from. I have never expected anything back from anything I deem as a good deed and don’t expect to after death. I hope my organs can save the life of anyone, including those that didn’t hold the same opinion I do. Just my take on it, not argumentative.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

In my mind it should come as a package, do you agree to be in the organ transplant program. If you opt out, you opt out of receiving an organ as well. I have no problem with a positive enrollment, although I could live with the question that I outlined above. When you get your license you are asked do you want to be part of the organ program, a negative answer eliminates you from receiving one as well.

That would be the best scenario but I doubt it will happen. It is brutal that someone that would never help someone else out ends up getting an organ.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Indy

Why do you have to opt in to receive a donor organ?

The point being is why would someone that is so selfish get a valuable organ in front of someone more deserving???

[Indy]

Originally Posted by Scott h

The point being is why would someone that is so selfish get a valuable organ in front of someone more deserving???

OK - not everyone is selfish. I thought I opted in but apparently I didn’t. Just had the wife sign the form to opt in, she thought I did as well. It’s a poor argument assuming that everyone that is not enrolled doesn’t consent and therefore shouldn’t qualify.

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

In my mind it should come as a package, do you agree to be in the organ transplant program. If you opt out, you opt out of receiving an organ as well. I have no problem with a positive enrollment, although I could live with the question that I outlined above. When you get your license you are asked do you want to be part of the organ program, a negative answer eliminates you from receiving one as well.

So,,, If most of my organs are meh. But the tranplant team system says I need a kidney. But I/they toldme to opt out???

[tri777]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

It's my opinion? If you are not willing to share with me, I am more than
willing to have my organs go to someone that was willing to share. Do you have another thought?

Why not just go full circle, no more free health care for those unwilling to stop smoking,
using drugs etc that end up using a hospital..

I personally have No issues with being excluded & not getting any organs thrown inside me.
I get light headed just thinking about someone else's flesh inside me, yuck.

[vcmm]

Is anyone in this the discussion involded in the transplant system for family or friend?

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by vcmm

So,,, If most of my organs are meh. But the tranplant team system says I need a kidney. But I/they toldme to opt out???

You still have organs that could be used, probably. In your case you can still opt in and they can pick over your parts. No one should be able to tell you to opt out, they might be able to say you are not a great candidate. Kinda like pick a part auto wreckers.

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

You still have organs that could be used, probably. In your case you can still opt in and they can pick over your parts. No one should be able to tell you to opt out, they might be able to say you are not a great candidate. Kinda like pick a part auto wreckers.

Most people don't realize once one organ starts shutting down the rest follow.

[raab]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

In my mind it should come as a package, do you agree to be in the organ transplant program. If you opt out, you opt out of receiving an organ as well. I have no problem with a positive enrollment, although I could live with the question that I outlined above. When you get your license you are asked do you want to be part of the organ program, a negative answer eliminates you from receiving one as well.

I’d prefer my wishes not be known until after death to keep the physicians honest