copper fouling on tikka stainless

[Dick284]

Originally Posted by Redneck Renagade

What about Birchwood Casey bore scrubber

Having never used it let me ask you this.

Does it claim to be a copper solvent?

Do your patches come out blue or green?

If you answered no on both. Your not getting everyting out of your bore.

Or you could take the Wipeout challenge, and clean your supposedly clean rifle with some wipeout...and see what you've been missing.

[Redneck Renagade]

Originally Posted by Dick284

Having never used it let me ask you this.

Does it claim to be a copper solvent?

Do your patches come out blue or green?

If you answered no on both. Your not getting everyting out of your bore.

Or you could take the Wipeout challenge, and clean your supposedly clean rifle with some wipeout...and see what you've been missing.

Definately comes out blue. It claims for copper and nitro fowling

[KOOZ]

Let me know if you want to sell that Tikka.

[gitrdun]

Originally Posted by Redneck Renagade

Definately comes out blue. It claims for copper and nitro fowling

Let me axe you this. Does it smell like ammonia? If no, then it doesns't break down copper fouling in a hurry. Copper fouling is nasty. If you shoot monometals or gilding metals then you need to get serious about it. For sure Wipeout is awesome, but if you need to get rid of suspected copper fouling, then get some stuff with a high concentration of ammonia. Why? 'cause ammonia breaks it down. plain and simple.

[gitrdun]

Originally Posted by KOOZ

Let me know if you want to sell that Tikka.

No chit, I'll drop any easy $300.00 for that Tikka.

[RUSTY262]

well after first soaking with wipeout patch was dark navy blue after 12 hours. After second soaking for 12 hours, a hint of blue and some black. After third soaking for 12 hours, minor black on patch. Trying a fourth soaking today for 12 hours and then try to make time for the range. would one soaking with wipeout be able to strip enough copper fouling to have affected my accuracy that much?

[Pathfinder76]

You tell us.

[Jamie Black R/T]

Originally Posted by chuck

You tell us.

x2

im interested in the report back from this one.

[SHORTMAG]

Originally Posted by chuck

You tell us.

heh heh heh...I mumbled this exactly to myself as I was reading his question...I scrolled down and you said it for me ...thankx Chuck!

X3...got my curiosity peaked too....'ll be waiting for your report.

[KOOZ]

Originally Posted by RUSTY262

well after first soaking with wipeout patch was dark navy blue after 12 hours. After second soaking for 12 hours, a hint of blue and some black. After third soaking for 12 hours, minor black on patch. Trying a fourth soaking today for 12 hours and then try to make time for the range. would one soaking with wipeout be able to strip enough copper fouling to have affected my accuracy that much?

If you still seem to be having accuracy issues with it, I would still be interested in it. Let me know.

[RUSTY262]

i'm very excited to see the results as well since it has been very frustrating for 3 years now. The worst part is it will probably be at least two weeks before I can get back out to the range.

[eric2381]

I'm curious about how you make out as well. Hopefully good. It's going to shoot best once you've shot it a few times to properly foul it.

[silver]

When I clean a rifle, I use a bit of a round table. Hoppes 9 till the patch comes clean, switch to a copper cleaner, maybe to another fouling cleaner, try a different copper cleaner and so on. When the patches come clean with all the different cleaners, probably good to go.

[HELL]

Bought a 300 rum from a guy cheap said it wasnt holding groups so I cleaned with wipe 6 times just back from range its shooting very good was like a rats nest of copper and powder residue wipeout an time is all it takes sweet deal

[SHORTMAG]

When I clean my 8 twist 223 after a good day at the range...50-100 + bullets....I always start off with my Copper B Gone,,,,two pellets...then my #9...a few pellets...patch till clean...repeat the whole process again. Never had any issues with fouling. After a good cleaning, It does usually take 3 or 4 shots to get her back on track tho.

[KOOZ]

Originally Posted by 209x50

Last night I used Western Extreme Copper Killer on a 270 win that hadn't been copper cleaned in its 15 year life. In 10 min of cleaning it went from a 5-6" shooter to sub MOA. Most dramatic results I've ever seen with 8 or 9 patches

Are you mistaken for Montana X-Treme Copper Killer?

[209x50]

Originally Posted by KOOZ

Are you mistaken for Montana X-Treme Copper Killer?

Nope, Western Powder owns Montana x-treme

[Johnny7604]

Use KG-12. Works better than anything I have ever used for removing copper. If it doesn't work I'll eat Catnthehat's Hat.

Keep in mind it isn't ammonia based so it doesn't turn patches blue, you'll have to use a flashlight and check the bore to guage when it's done. I usually give it a couple more for good measure once I can't see any more copper.

http://www.burkesgunoil.com/shoponline.htm

Disclaimer: I don't work for the place in the link or have any affiliations with them whatsoever other than that where I order my KG-12 from.

Cheers


-John

[gitrdun]

^^^ I've looked down many bores and can honestly say that I haven't personally identified copper fouling bad enough to see with a flashlight. I have however cleaned out many bores that were suspect and brougth them back to standard using amonia bearing solvents that turned the patches blue. My feeling is that if you can literally see it with a flashlight, shooting....no spraying patterns would be your initial indicator.

On another side note, this KG stuff claims to not contain ammonia, neither does Wipeout. We all know how effectively amonia attacks copper, but hey, I'll give anything a try at least once. We all know how copper fouling will deteriorate accuracy in a jiffy.

[elkhunter11]

I've looked down many bores and can honestly say that I haven't personally identified copper fouling bad enough to see with a flashlight. I have however cleaned out many bores that were suspect and brougth them back to standard using amonia bearing solvents that turned the patches blue. My feeling is that if you can literally see it with a flashlight, shooting....no spraying patterns would be your initial indicator.

I have seen cooper streaks in many barrels once the powder fouling is removed. Sometimes it greatly effects accuracy, sometimes it doesn't.

[gitrdun]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I have seen cooper streaks in many barrels once the powder fouling is removed. Sometimes it greatly effects accuracy, sometimes it doesn't.

Yeah, well I had a blond moment and forgot about you elk So, if you saw copper streaks, I'm assuming that it would be safe to say that the copper wasn't completely and throughly removed. It does affect accuracy, just depends on one's definition of "greatly".

[elkhunter11]

Yeah, well I had a blond moment and forgot about you elk So, if you saw copper streaks, I'm assuming that it would be safe to say that the copper wasn't completely and throughly removed. It does affect accuracy, just depends on one's definition of "greatly".

Traces of copper can appear after only a couple of shots in some barrels, in other barrels, you may not see any after a dozen shots or more. I have seen traces of copper when cleaning a barrel immediately after shooting sub 3/8 moa five shoot groups, so in those cases, it obviously wasn't much of a factor. In some cases(not my rifles), the fouling was so extreme that groups shrank from over 2 moa to less than moa after the copper was removed.

[gitrdun]

Do you think that possibly those barrels that copper fouled after a mere two or three shots were factory barrels that hadn't been properly broken in. Yes, I realize that I'm inadvertently opening a new can of worms in regards to barrel conditioning. But if that were to present itself, that surely would be my first thought.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by gitrdun

Do you think that possibly those barrels that copper fouled after a mere two or three shots were factory barrels that hadn't been properly broken in.

No. I've shot bullets through way too many new barrels to think otherwise.

[gitrdun]

Originally Posted by chuck

No. I've shot bullets through way too many new barrels to think otherwise.

Please expand.

[elkhunter11]

Do you think that possibly those barrels that copper fouled after a mere two or three shots were factory barrels that hadn't been properly broken in. Yes, I realize that I'm inadvertently opening a new can of worms in regards to barrel conditioning. But if that were to present itself, that surely would be my first thought.

I have had Kreiger barrels that copper fouled for the first thirty to fifty shots, and those turned out to be very accurate barrels, so no, it isn't only factory barrels.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by gitrdun

Please expand.

There are just too many examples of barrels that don't foul that haven't been "broken in" to hang on to that theory. I'm also shooting a Douglas barrel right now that fouls less than ANY barrel I have ever owned. It wasn't broken in. The previous barrel on the same rifle was a Krieger, it was "broken in" and it fouled much more.

[gitrdun]

It does hold true that even all custom barrels are not created equal. All things being the same, bore rifling depth etc. the final finish in my opinion does impart upon a barrel's ability to fend off early symptoms of copper fouling. Again, all other variables being equal.

[Jamie Black R/T]

Originally Posted by gitrdun

On another side note, this KG stuff claims to not contain ammonia, neither does Wipeout.

wipe out sure smells like ammonia when you use it.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Jamie Black R/T

wipe out sure smells like ammonia when you use it.

It sure doesn't.