"assualt" like rifle?

[Jamie Black R/T]

i would love to have a real AR-15 for gophers and coyotes.

had the AR180B and shot a SL8 a bunch...they arent the same.

AR platforms are restricted because we all sat idle and let it happen....sit quietly and bolt guns will be restricted one day too...who really NEEDS more than one shot? ask australia

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by winger7mm

okay fair enough I didnt know that, Im not really sure what makes a rifle restricted, for those maybe barrel length?? I

I'd suggest most folks don't really know either.... why the government big brains decide to restrict one semi-automatic rifle with black coloration and yet not another...

[Unregistered user]

Years back my favorite gopher gun was my AR15, very accurate and 20rd mags made it lots of fun. Along came kimmy campbell and later a-hole rock, restricted the rifle and banned the mags and now even gun owners on this site are bad-mouthing them. The O.P. wants what he wants and it's no-one's business why.

[altaberg]

I would recommend to the OP to get an SKS and mock it up with a black, pistol grip folding stock and a detachable mag. You get the bayonet for free.

They are fun to shoot and ammo is dirt cheap. Everybody should own one.

It's as close to the assault rifle feel you will ever get legally, outside the military in Canada.

As for what an assault rifle is: a selective fire, shorter cartridge rifle.
The term is a literal translation of the German "Sturmgewehr" and the StGw44 was the first of the kind, followed shortly by the AK47.

In a previous life I went through some training days where we got to shoot everything one would have expected to find on a European WWIII battle field:
M16, AK47, FAL, G3, HK33, AK74, MP5, Uzi and some French and Swiss stuff I don't even remember what it was called.

Enfields ain't assault rifles by any definition I've ever seen.

[uglyelk]

Tar sands is a derogatory term used by the "enviro...mental" types to slag the oil sands.


Assault rifle is a derogatory term used by the anti-gun crowd to vilify rifles.

They also use the term sniper rifles to do the same thing. The message they are sending is some firearms have no purpose for existence other than killing people...which the anti crowd suggest is a bad practice to engage in. The more firearms they can portray as only for killing the more they can lobby to have them banned.

You folks using these terms just plays into their hands, your helping the anti's and the left leaning media types to shaft us all.

I don't know what an assault rifle is or a sniper rifle is.

[tolkcraft]

The AR15 is as light as a feather, but it also feels cheap. It might not do well outdoors compared to heavy long guns, but it would be easy to wield and let off shots with, but I have not fired one yet, myself. I have only held one and I was surprised by it.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by uglyelk

Tar sands is a derogatory term used by the "enviro...mental" types to slag the oil sands.


Assault rifle is a derogatory term used by the anti-gun crowd to vilify rifles.

They also use the term sniper rifles to do the same thing. The message they are sending is some firearms have no purpose for existence other than killing people...which the anti crowd suggest is a bad practice to engage in. The more firearms they can portray as only for killing the more they can lobby to have them banned.

You folks using these terms just plays into their hands, your helping the anti's and the left leaning media types to shaft us all.

I don't know what an assault rifle is or a sniper rifle is.

If you are not sure what an assault rifle or a sniper rifle is, maybe you should not tell us that do that we should not use the term.
There are purpose built rifles out there just for assault and for sniping.
I was living in the Tarsands long before the anti Tarsands public even thought about them, and am not about to quit using that to describe them.
Cat

[petew]

Didn't Peter Pond name it Tar Sands when he explored the Athabaska, and saw it along the banks?

Pete

[greylynx]

Originally Posted by uglyelk

Tar sands is a derogatory term used by the "enviro...mental" types to slag the oil sands.


Assault rifle is a derogatory term used by the anti-gun crowd to vilify rifles.

They also use the term sniper rifles to do the same thing. The message they are sending is some firearms have no purpose for existence other than killing people...which the anti crowd suggest is a bad practice to engage in. The more firearms they can portray as only for killing the more they can lobby to have them banned.

You folks using these terms just plays into their hands, your helping the anti's and the left leaning media types to shaft us all.



I don't know what an assault rifle is or a sniper rifle is.

Good Post:

Ordinary Hunting Rifles, especially the black ones are currently being called "sniper rifles" by the antis.

Churchill knew it, Hitler knew it, Hoffa knew it, Stalin knew it, and Trudeau knew it.

Control the words, and control the people.

[samb]

Latest issue of field and stream refers to the AR as the MSR " modern sporting rifle". Full page add put out by "National Shooting Sports Foundation". I think they have a point. I'm tired of the anti's demonizing firearms.

[uglyelk]

I was living in the Tarsands long before the anti Tarsands public even thought about them, and am not about to quit using that to describe them.
Cat

You are correct it has always been the tar sands....oil sands came along after the media that bashes Alberta started in on dirty oil and tar sands in the same sentence. I threw it in as an example of how words are leveraged to give something an image to drive an agenda.

Originally Posted by catnthehat

If you are not sure what an assault rifle or a sniper rifle is, maybe you should not tell us that do that we should not use the term.

1.) Point out where in my post where I tell any one what words to use. I believe I pointed out that the terms being used to describe some types of firearms are mostly coined and leveraged by those who want to take our firearms from us. If you wish to support them by repeating their dogma, knock your socks off pal.

2.) Not sure what you envision the terms to mean Cat, but I’ve humped my share of government issued arms. How about you take your snide little comments and stick them. Don’t recall flaming you...

[quote]There are purpose built rifles out there just for assault and for sniping.

<insert picture of me bashing my own head against a wall>

The agenda is to move firearms onto the prohibited or banned lists by portraying them as being only designed to kill people....something no duck hunter or farmer needs to own. [

b]Does any of this sound familiar or are you asleep at the wheel?[/b]

We as a community are doomed because we are a selfish bunch of folks. Good folks but selfish we are only interested in our own little niche.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO36y78dXAs

So what do you think they will go after the restricted are gone...when will it be the evil scatter guns?

Firearms are tools that fire a projectile. The user will decide the purpose the tool is used for.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by samb

Latest issue of field and stream refers to the AR as the MSR " modern sporting rifle". Full page add put out by "National Shooting Sports Foundation". I think they have a point. I'm tired of the anti's demonizing firearms.

good one...about time we started using the lefts tactics against them. I think I'll write a letter to my mp and see if we can get "modern sporting rifles" into the non-restricted category.

I'm all for anyone shooting whatever type of gun they want. As long as they use it safely and for non-criminal purposes. Have at her. Some people want a gun for its classic good looks, walnut etc, some people want it for it's utilitarian/military looks, and some people could care less, and view it as nothing more than a tool. I have zero problem with anyone with any of those views. The more people shooting the better. (although it would sure be nice if we could all stick together).

To the original poster...look into a swissarms classic. about 3 grand, non-restricted, and fairly accurate from what I've heard.

[catnthehat]

[QUOTE=uglyelk;1064915]You are correct it has always been the tar sands....oil sands came along after the media that bashes Alberta started in on dirty oil and tar sands in the same sentence. I threw it in as an example of how words are leveraged to give something an image to drive an agenda.



1.) Point out where in my post where I tell any one what words to use. I believe I pointed out that the terms being used to describe some types of firearms are mostly coined and leveraged by those who want to take our firearms from us. If you wish to support them by repeating their dogma, knock your socks off pal.

2.) Not sure what you envision the terms to mean Cat, but I’ve humped my share of government issued arms. How about you take your snide little comments and stick them. Don’t recall flaming you...

There are purpose built rifles out there just for assault and for sniping.

<insert picture of me bashing my own head against a wall>

The agenda is to move firearms onto the prohibited or banned lists by portraying them as being only designed to kill people....something no duck hunter or farmer needs to own. [

b]Does any of this sound familiar or are you asleep at the wheel?[/b]

We as a community are doomed because we are a selfish bunch of folks. Good folks but selfish we are only interested in our own little niche.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO36y78dXAs

So what do you think they will go after the restricted are gone...when will it be the evil scatter guns?

Firearms are tools that fire a projectile. The user will decide the purpose the tool is used for.

How about you stick your own comments .

There have been purpose built firearms made for generations, and yes they DO call them sniper rifles and assault rifles, and if you are so danged paranoid and politicly correct not to admit that , that is your own problem.
As far as my snide comments go , could care less wh you are , what you have been , or wo the HELL you think you are.
Read you own dammed post again .
You are no better than I and far less than some here.....
Cat

[uglyelk]

You are no better than I and far less than some here.....
Cat

On that we agree.

[timsesink]

Ahh good old Ugly Elk, ever the basher. It's better to use your brain then your mouth (or fingers) sometimes.

[sikwhiskey]

Originally Posted by open sights

does anyone know where i could get a rifle that looks and feels kind of like an assualt rifle but that is non restricted? or am i SOL?

I own a RA XCR-L, I hunt with it year round. I use the 6.8spc for deer, 223 for Yotes and Gophers. Simple change of the barrel and bolt carrier gets you a different Caliber. 223(5.56 nato), 6.8 spc, 7.62x39. I would hunt deer with the 223 if it was legal to do so in AB.
I started out wanting a semi auto for fast follow-up shots on running yotes and gophers, looked into the mini 14 and M30, went with the XCR for the caliber conversions. Absolutely love shooting with it, fast and smooth, 1.5moa accuracy. PRICEY though and man can it eat up the Ammo and Coyotes.
Fired a Kel-Tec RFB in 308" last week and cancelled my order. Bull-pup design and just to short for me. Good for fast target aquisition standing up but prone or off a bag =too unsteady and short.
XCR,SKS, RFB, AR 180 maybe the SCAR if it gets the NON restricted thumbs up. Or the XCR-M in 308 if it ever gets here.
Way too much BS about Hunting with black rifles everywhere.
Good luck.

[sikwhiskey]

Originally Posted by rugatika

good one...about time we started using the lefts tactics against them. I think I'll write a letter to my mp and see if we can get "modern sporting rifles" into the non-restricted category.

I'm all for anyone shooting whatever type of gun they want. As long as they use it safely and for non-criminal purposes. Have at her. Some people want a gun for its classic good looks, walnut etc, some people want it for it's utilitarian/military looks, and some people could care less, and view it as nothing more than a tool. I have zero problem with anyone with any of those views. The more people shooting the better. (although it would sure be nice if we could all stick together).

To the original poster...look into a swissarms classic. about 3 grand, non-restricted, and fairly accurate from what I've heard.

Well said, the swiss arms are 223" or 5.56 nato and you cannot hunt big game in AB with them.1-2" moa with milsurp ammo. Very well made rifle- if you just want to shoot yotes, wolves, rabbits, gophers or paper. If they ever make one in 308" It will be in my safe ASAP

[Bowhunter_007]

Originally Posted by open sights

does anyone know where i could get a rifle that looks and feels kind of like an assualt rifle but that is non restricted? or am i SOL?

The remington VTR is chambered in a .22 and isnt restricted. its an awsome little gun i picked one up a few weekends ago and i love it.

[sanjuanworm]

This is my Ruger SR22. I only use it for target. It's more of a toy but it's quite accurate and fun to shoot. I have a 50 round drum for it. I've hit targets 200 yards away. Pretty much hold the barrel what seems 3 inches above target in the scope. Laser is only there to site in my scope for short range faster. Oh and it's non restricted.

I have an SKS too and it's a bit more fun than this guy.

[1899b]

look up Jim Zumbo and read what hot water he got in scoffing at AR's. It killed his career. In 2007 he lost his editor job at Outdoor Life when he condemned AR style rifles. In short we all have to stick together to keep our hunting and shooting sports alive and kicking.

[lensgarage]

All the replies are at the very least entertaining. If you want to research more of a "tacticool" type firearm, check out gunnutz. I own a cz 858,a fun gun to shoot and cheap ammo, but couldnt see hunting with it

[tolkcraft]

Originally Posted by sanjuanworm

This is my Ruger SR22. I only use it for target. It's more of a toy but it's quite accurate and fun to shoot. I have a 50 round drum for it. I've hit targets 200 yards away. Pretty much hold the barrel what seems 3 inches above target in the scope. Laser is only there to site in my scope for short range faster. Oh and it's non restricted.

I have an SKS too and it's a bit more fun than this guy.

They look like the AR-15. What I was wondering when I saw an AR-15 and held it, is how durable is this rifle? is it made to last? It felt very light weight. The SKS looks like a Turkish or Afghan gun, but the SRS looks more like the modern military rifle. Not sure if people can get an SRS?

[uglyelk]

Originally Posted by open sights

does anyone know where i could get a rifle that looks and feels kind of like an assualt rifle but that is non restricted? or am i SOL?

Why not just get your restricted it opens up more options...instead of looks like feels like maybe it is what your looking for. paint it pink camo and keep the lefties confused.

[Pioneer2]

My son's SKS shot a 4 shot in the same hole tear at 50 yards with a handloaded 150gr Sierra .311 and 21gr of IMR 4198........Never got around to making more to try at 100..........these should be moving at around 2000+fps.......better than a sharp stick..........Harold

[Pioneer2]

[x-bow]

WOW thats cool Pioneer2 ?? is that .

[Pioneer2]

It's a M-249 SAW belt fed machine gun.Went to Vegas a month ago and shot at the full auto range.One more thing off the bucket list.

[SkytopBrewster]

Was just there last week myself, same booth, Ed was my instructor, awesome guy, awesome guns, splurged for the VIP package and butted in front of probably 50 people, wasn't going to wait in line for 2hrs in +42C

[Pioneer2]

Did you go for "shoot the wall"?

[aulrich]

When I heard assult rifle the smart ***** in me wanted to recommend a trapdoor springfield in 45/75 and some bp loads. Probably one of the first real assult rifles.