Monetary Abuse of the Middle Class

[jaylow?]

nothing bothers me more than excessive taxation. the o.p has it right , and so was ralph klein " we don't have an income problem, we have a spending problem" nobody more so than the king of the liberals and his ridiculous spending spree for his international face time on the backs of a generation who hasn't started walking yet

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Because a person has put himself in a position where he earns a good wage, is no reason for the government to take more and more of his money to give handouts to the people that are less ambitious, or that have no interest in working at all. Basically; the government is making it less and less of a benefit to work hard; and improve your situation.When the government removes the motivation to work hard, it results in less productivity from everyone, which only hurts the economy.

Do you think that as a person moves into a higher tax bracket, that level of taxation applies to all their income?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

Do you think that as a person moves into a higher tax bracket, that level of taxation applies to all their income?

The more that you make, the more that will be taxed at a higher rate. In effect, you take home less money per hour if your overtime puts your income into the next bracket.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The more that you make, the more that will be taxed at a higher rate. In effect, you take home less money per hour if your overtime puts your income into the next bracket.

If you mean "taxed 10 cents on the 125000th dollar, and 12 cents on the 125001st dollar", yes.

[histyle]

Keep working, the entire public sector & those on welfare depend on you.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

If you mean "taxed 10 cents on the 125000th dollar, and 12 cents on the 125001st dollar", yes.

Still a socialistic tax structure. What is wrong with a flat tax?

[glen moa]

Part of their plan is to confuse you with a shell game.

Bottom line. gov takes too much.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Still a socialistic tax structure. What is wrong with a flat tax?

X2 the more you make the more you pay. Not this being punished for making more.

[wolf308]

Man that's some BS. OP.

Want to rant but just gonna shut up.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Another way to look at it is that the other 80% of the folks in Canada hit the global jackpot living here. They get to live in a country with tremendous services and opportunities, all paid for by someone else.

Bingo Oko. We live in a country where a large part of the population thinks there is nothing wrong with voting for people that will steal from people that work harder/smarter than they do...all with the fervent hope that some crumbs will fall off the government table and land in their outstretched hands, like children that haven't learned to feed themselves yet.

Greedy people that have no problem living off the avails of other people's hard work. No different than a dirt sidewalk pimp.

Too busy worrying about the guy that makes more than they do than trying to improve themselves. Enjoy your life and earnings and quit being jealous and spiteful, or improve your own life. Quit stealing from people that work harder than you.

[rugatika]

Taxes should have no relation to how much you earn. Income tax is a sin tax on effort. Stupid.

[Newview01]

I am a proponent of a 5% flat tax, with maybe a 5% consumption tax.

That would easily cover the government services I am also a proponent of.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Newview01

I am a proponent of a 5% flat tax, with maybe a 5% consumption tax.

That would easily cover the government services I am also a proponent of.

The government should not even be entitled to know how much money you make or how you make it as long as it's not illegal. Completely get rid of the income tax. There should only be ONE tax (a sales tax of some sort) so that people are fully aware of the exact amount they are paying to government each and every time they purchase something.

People are too conditioned to think the government has a right to know these things AND tax them. Just think of the government shrinkage if we got rid of Canada Revenue completely? We'd save billions right there. (never mind all the admin/accounting costs for business and citizens)

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by super7mag

We need a working class tax revolt plain and simple.

You got that right - brother.

The middle class is gone - we're now a two class country.

The rich and the working class.

You can't pretend you're middle class anymore.

It's now us and them.

[bobinthesky]

Originally Posted by sjd

If you are making 125k a year before tax, you are already in the top 20% of income in Canada and you already hit the global jackpot living here.

And you might consider thanking those top 20 percenter's some time for all the free stuff you get!

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by bobinthesky

And you might consider thanking those top 20 percenter's some time for all the free stuff you get!

People that weren't taught how to earn their own keep, likely didn't receive an education in graciousness either.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by rugatika

The government should not even be entitled to know how much money you make or how you make it as long as it's not illegal. Completely get rid of the income tax. There should only be ONE tax (a sales tax of some sort) so that people are fully aware of the exact amount they are paying to government each and every time they purchase something.

People are too conditioned to think the government has a right to know these things AND tax them. Just think of the government shrinkage if we got rid of Canada Revenue completely? We'd save billions right there. (never mind all the admin/accounting costs for business and citizens)

But who would tell us we need to change our light bulbs?

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Still a socialistic tax structure. What is wrong with a flat tax?

The short version is low income people have the smallest disposable incomes and spend a higher proportion of their money on basic survival needs. Those in higher income brackets are better able to provide for their physical needs and as income increases, have more discretionary money to spend.

Society doesn't run for free, therefore, as a member of society one should be expected to contribute to its success, growth, and future.

And yes, it's a socialistic tax structure.

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by bobinthesky

And you might consider thanking those top 20 percenter's some time for all the free stuff you get!

And most of those to 20%'ers have been living the dream in the bubble for a long time and haven't realized the "middle class" has disappeared and every body below them is now "working class".

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

Society doesn't run for free, therefore, as a member of society one should be expected to contribute to its success, growth, and future.

Exactly, everyone needs to contribute equally to the functioning of society, with exceptions made for people that are physically or mentally handicapped.

Everyone over 18 has to pay $5000 in taxes every year. (as an example)

[altex]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

In many cases, yup. That's the conundrum. The vast majority of people think of themselves as "middle class". But that distinction is actually pretty narrow. You can make six figures and think you are middle class, until the government tells you that you are rich, that you aren't "paying your share", and that you will get no additional tax increase and you will get none of the subsidies for carbon tax, family benefits, etc.

I roll my eyes every time I hear some politician saying that the
"middle class" needs help. The "middle class" isn't paying the load. It' the guys that are employees making $120,000+ who can't write things off like a business owner can and are paying upwards of 40% in income tax, with no breaks, rebates, and who won't ever get even their old age pension because of clawbacks.

So true

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by JimPS

And most of those to 20%'ers have been living the dream in the bubble for a long time and haven't realized the "middle class" has disappeared and every body below them is now "working class".

Most of those in that 20% ARE the working class.

[altex]

Originally Posted by histyle

Keep working, the entire public sector & those on welfare depend on you.

And refugees.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by altex

And refugees.

Don't forget Queen Sophie and all the foreign dictators we are sending money to. (yes...I'm including all the money Harper sent abroad as well)

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by JimPS

And most of those to 20%'ers have been living the dream in the bubble for a long time and haven't realized the "middle class" has disappeared and every body below them is now "working class".

Terms like "rich", "middle class", and "working class" are totally meaningless and are only thrown around for political effect. Middle class has disappeared? Define it first, then we can talk about whether they have disappeared.

[2011laramie]

As someone who pays a good chunk in taxes as a reward for working in camp away from the family it bothers me that people think we deserve to pay more.

I still drive on the same roads as everyone else. When my wife had our baby we didnt get a fancy room in the hospital because i payed 20g more in taxes then someone else.

My son will go to the same school as the kids down the street who's parents work at the local grocery store/ hardware store. They will get taught by the same teachers.

I feel that me paying higher taxes doesnt give me any services that are better than anyone else.

My buddy who is a contract plumber gets to write of fuel, tools, the gas to heat his garage, his truck. Etc... all while being taxed at a lower rate. He still drives on the same parts of highway 2 as you me and everyone else.

Taxes should be capped just like ei and cpp. Congratulations you made 125k this year, you paid your share of taxes for the year, any work after that should be tax free.

[lmtada]

Things heating up down south. Economy is picking up. Fed increased interest rate 1/4 point in December, March 90% quarantee increases 1/4 point. USD becomes more valuable to CDN $$. CDN $ devalued. This will make it more difficult to bye USD fruit, vegetables, etc. Along with Mr.Trump lower taxes, Bye America first. CDN J.Trudeau increasing taxes. The countries are diverging into different directions. The squeeze will start on Canada chief Banker Poloz to increase rates. Give it a year. Interesting times.

[From The Hip]

Originally Posted by Dr. Phil A

You do realize that these clowns figure anyone making more than 125k annually is considered rich.

No way to get ahead as these clowns figure out new ways to separate our cash from us. Talk of upping the GST to 7%, provincially they are mentioning the sales tax again after hitting us with the carbon tax (thinly veiled sales tax).

If the NDP want a sales tax/PST they have 2 options.

#1 hold a vote where Albertans say yes or no.

#2 change the EXISTING LAW so that the government does not have to have a vote which circumvents #1

If the NDP goes with #1 they wont get a PST.If they go with #2 they will get a PST and then when the next election is held THAT decision to inflict a PST upon Albertans after legislating away their right to choose will hang on them like a millstone around Notley's neck.

As for the sentiment of being OVER taxed I completely agree that Canadians are over taxed.The mere mention of 650 million today by the shiney pony made me want to puke.Send out 650 million of Canadian tax payer money to foreign countries for womens issues whilst the Federal government does a crap job of taking care of our veterans.

FTH

[bobinthesky]

Originally Posted by JimPS

And most of those to 20%'ers have been living the dream in the bubble for a long time and haven't realized the "middle class" has disappeared and every body below them is now "working class".

Maybe, but there's a big difference between the majority of 20 percenters and the minority that were born with the proverbial silver spoon in their mouth. Most of the 20 percenter's I know worked very hard to get to where they are, don't live in a bubble and don't consider themselves any different than working class!

[pokey2]

We need someone to lead the revolution. Otherwise we'll all just sit around and get picked off one at a time. At some point maybe we'll move to the US where they seem to be better organized. Canada is mostly full of obedient sheeple. Even on this message board, I see a lot of people supporting the government against their fellow man, because he broke some rule or the other.... You can't have your cake and eat it too!