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O'Leary in a Nutshell
Andrew Coyne nails it perfectly. I couldn't say it better myself. So it begs the question, why is he so popular in the polls? Other than the fact polls are basically manipulative lies to direct the sheeple.
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-co...rship-campaign
.. the signature O’Leary style: the casual disregard for the rules that others live by, the adolescent taste for shock, the carelessness with the facts, the failure to do the most basic homework, and above all the open, brazen contempt for the party he lazily hopes to lead.
He has no experience in politics. He only recently joined the Conservative Party. He can’t speak French, doesn’t think it matters, and isn’t going to learn: it was all his handlers could do to get him to pretend that he would. He seems unclear on basic principles of economics, such as the difference between the deficit and the debt — though in fairness he says he is pro-free trade and pro-immigration — and shows no more curiosity about other subjects.
Just today, I happened to meet an old university schoolmate of his. “O’Leary,” he grimaced. “He’s made a caricature of capitalism (on his TV shows). Now he’s going to make a caricature of conservatism.” But only if the party lets him.
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My wife took a phone call from his campaign today, I don't recall if they were looking for support or donations but they got neither.
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Bowing out of the leadership debate shows a sign of weakness. Not impressed.
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03-01-2017, 11:12 PM
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I have a question, does he really need to speak any french to be PM? I know he wont get elected if he doesn't but i am curious. Why couldn't he just have a translator? I have to watch and listen to translations all the time when our Mp's & PM speak.
Lets say he is the best thing since sliced bread(i know he is not), would not speaking the language kill any chances he would have?
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03-01-2017, 11:21 PM
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How would O'Leary do in a French debate with Justin if he can't even speak French? ***getaboutit!
Maxime Bernier is the best bet to oust Justin and he will get my #1 vote.
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03-02-2017, 12:14 AM
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I have a question, does he really need to speak any french to be PM? I know he wont get elected if he doesn't but i am curious. Why couldn't he just have a translator? I have to watch and listen to translations all the time when our Mp's & PM speak.
Lets say he is the best thing since sliced bread(i know he is not), would not speaking the language kill any chances he would have?
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It would never happen. A non-French speaker could potentially win CPC leadership, but would never win a general election. Winning a general election requires solid performance in Quebec, which wouldn't happen without at least partial mastery of French. There hasn't been a PM since Diefenbaker who did not have at least partial mastery of French.
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03-02-2017, 02:13 AM
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He can learn French. It's not impossible. How many of you can speak 2 languages lol. He grew up in Montreal and spoke it as a kid. He's not perfect but he's our best chance at beating the libs.
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03-02-2017, 03:06 AM
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He's not perfect but he's our best chance at beating the libs.
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I think you're confused there. Maxime Bernier or Erin O'toole are both solid candidates.
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03-02-2017, 05:47 AM
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Who cares about speaking with a fork tongue, speak six languages does not make on intelligent, ignorance and arrogance run amuck in politics, religion etc...let the man have a go at it, he has a shot just like Justin did and he got in...hell even you have a chance if you got off the forum 
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03-02-2017, 07:03 AM
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He can learn French. It's not impossible. How many of you can speak 2 languages lol. He grew up in Montreal and spoke it as a kid. He's not perfect but he's our best chance at beating the libs.
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No, he is not our best chance. If he was his ratings would already be better.
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Originally Posted by Alephnaught
It would never happen. A non-French speaker could potentially win CPC leadership, but would never win a general election. Winning a general election requires solid performance in Quebec, which wouldn't happen without at least partial mastery of French. There hasn't been a PM since Diefenbaker who did not have at least partial mastery of French.
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I've heard him speak French on TV - it was not bad st all and that was maybe two months ago so he should have it down again
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03-02-2017, 07:58 AM
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He is called "Trump-lite" at our office
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03-02-2017, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Sooner
I have a question, does he really need to speak any french to be PM? I know he wont get elected if he doesn't but i am curious. Why couldn't he just have a translator? I have to watch and listen to translations all the time when our Mp's & PM speak.
Lets say he is the best thing since sliced bread(i know he is not), would not speaking the language kill any chances he would have?
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Because we are officially a bi-lingual country...so the PM should speak both languages.
Also, when a very large percentage of your voter base is in Quebec, if you don't speak French it is highly unlikely you will ever be PM.
Personally I think this one huge ego trip for him...that's all.
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O Leary is a loser. Supposedly contributed in a big way to Paul Martins campaign back in the day. Once a blood sucking Liberal. Always a blood sucking Liberal.
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Regardless, Oleary will never win the swing vote, the fact that young folks associate him with trump is not good ( you saw how that worked in the last election MYGAWD) Like it or not I don't think French speaking voters will like him so hes a waste of time to make him party leader only to win the election without a majority government. We need a solid leader with the right platform. I watched Kevin O speak on gun control and change, not the right guy for that for sure. Looking hard at Mad Max JMHO 
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O.K. he hasn't sold you guys.
I think it is an attempt to try Trump lite too without the tweets. Maybe the tweets are what counts. I don't think we have as much built up hidden hate as the Americans are showing.
BTW a unilingual Conservative has been prime minister and and the same for the liberals. John Diefenbaker won a land slide in 1958 and Lester Pearson a liberal beat him the next time around.
Where is Rug when you need him? The cons do not need to pander to the west (at least I don't think they do) the have to win seats in the east and it will take more than speaking french. I heard about the long gun registry in the debate, I think that has been milked for all the votes it could produce. Remember Quebec still has one, I think.
With all those candidates who are we supposed to support who can win?
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He can learn French. It's not impossible. How many of you can speak 2 languages lol. He grew up in Montreal and spoke it as a kid. He's not perfect but he's our best chance at beating the libs.
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No Doubt, all this yack on "he can't speak French". I learnt Spanish in 2 months through an app on my phone.... pretty sure with his resources he could pick it up pretty quickly. In fact he's probably already on it.
I'm no fan, but I gotta say I think I would take him over the idiot in charge right now.
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03-02-2017, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Alephnaught
It would never happen. A non-French speaker could potentially win CPC leadership, but would never win a general election. Winning a general election requires solid performance in Quebec, which wouldn't happen without at least partial mastery of French. There hasn't been a PM since Diefenbaker who did not have at least partial mastery of French.
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Harper won a majority government without Quebec.
When John Diefenbaker spoke French, everyone in Saskatchewan knew what he said. 
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Originally Posted by densa44
I think it is an attempt to try Trump lite too without the tweets. Maybe the tweets are what counts. I don't think we have as much built up hidden hate as the Americans are showing.
BTW a unilingual Conservative has been prime minister and and the same for the liberals. John Diefenbaker won a land slide in 1958 and Lester Pearson a liberal beat him the next time around.
Where is Rug when you need him? The cons do not need to pander to the west (at least I don't think they do) the have to win seats in the east and it will take more than speaking french. I heard about the long gun registry in the debate, I think that has been milked for all the votes it could produce. Remember Quebec still has one, I think.
With all those candidates who are we supposed to support who can win?
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Bernier is the only candidate that has a chance. Maybe Michael Chong....but he's just another liberal.
Leitch or O'Leary will get crucified in a general election and will very likely do a lot of damage to the CPC brand.
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Bernier is the only candidate that has a chance. Maybe Michael Chong....but he's just another liberal.
Leitch or O'Leary will get crucified in a general election and will very likely do a lot of damage to the CPC brand.
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I'm surprised Alberta cons aren't backing Leitch - a well educated, experienced and smart good old girl in the politically correct demographic - with an upbringing rooted in the wheat fields of Manitoba and the oil sands of Alberta.
She's certainly not a swamp creature by any definition in the world of old con values.
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How very Canadian of us - to insult and denigrate someone who has been successful in their field....
We get what we deserve, including governments who punish the successful who contribute to our economy, and reward those that don't.
You don't have to like the man, and debating his policies and skills is fair game, but don't follow the American experience of attacking his character, ridicule and personal smearing. Why can't we follow one of our Canadian adages that (used to) set us apart from our southern neighbours; "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" ?
Can't we take a higher road, and resist the temptation to insult and divide?
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I'm surprised Alberta cons aren't backing Leitch - a well educated, experienced and smart good old girl in the politically correct demographic - with an upbringing rooted in the wheat fields of Manitoba and the oil sands of Alberta.
She's certainly not a swamp creature by any definition in the world of old con values.
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While some support her ideas, she can't win.
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03-02-2017, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by thumper
How very Canadian of us - to insult and denigrate someone who has been successful in their field....
We get what we deserve, including governments who punish the successful who contribute to our economy, and reward those that don't.
You don't have to like the man, and debating his policies and skills is fair game, but don't follow the American experience of attacking his character, ridicule and personal smearing. Why can't we follow one of our Canadian adages that (used to) set us apart from our southern neighbours; "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" ?
Can't we take a higher road, and resist the temptation to insult and divide?
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Did you quote that from Trudeau's play book?
Everything about a politician's qualifications is fair game. What kind of character traits do you want a Prime minister to have when he handles your money, country, etc.?
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Originally Posted by densa44
I think it is an attempt to try Trump lite too without the tweets. Maybe the tweets are what counts. I don't think we have as much built up hidden hate as the Americans are showing.
BTW a unilingual Conservative has been prime minister and and the same for the liberals. John Diefenbaker won a land slide in 1958 and Lester Pearson a liberal beat him the next time around.
Where is Rug when you need him? The cons do not need to pander to the west (at least I don't think they do) the have to win seats in the east and it will take more than speaking french. I heard about the long gun registry in the debate, I think that has been milked for all the votes it could produce. Remember Quebec still has one, I think.
With all those candidates who are we supposed to support who can win?
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Hoping that is the truth.
Those US Democrats are coming unglued, spewing reserved bile.
Can we be assured the Canadian Left is not having to swallow hard to keep it down?
It is a real concern, how revolting will they be if the Conservatives win the next election?
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Originally Posted by thumper
How very Canadian of us - to insult and denigrate someone who has been successful in their field....
We get what we deserve, including governments who punish the successful who contribute to our economy, and reward those that don't.
You don't have to like the man, and debating his policies and skills is fair game, but don't follow the American experience of attacking his character, ridicule and personal smearing. Why can't we follow one of our Canadian adages that (used to) set us apart from our southern neighbours; "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" ?
Can't we take a higher road, and resist the temptation to insult and divide?
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I agree to an extent, but there is no place for politeness when your country is being destroyed from within.
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While some support her ideas, she can't win.
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And there lies the problem.
Political parties will choose any amoral clown to be a leader if the unethical and amoral clowns who choose that leader - deem that person to be electable.
No wonder politics attracts these loathsome creatures from the swamp.
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And there lies the problem.
Political parties will choose any amoral clown to be a leader if the unethical and amoral clowns who choose that leader - deem that person to be electable.
No wonder politics attracts these loathsome creatures from the swamp.
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I agree. We need look no farther than the present Prime Minister.
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Don't be an armchair whiner !
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If O'Leary becomes leader of the CPC, they will be doomed to sit in opposition for at least the next two terms. And with that, a new 'Trudeau Dynasty' will be assured.
Make a difference. Get involved. Join the CPC, and participate in deciding who will be their next leader ... Link; https://donate.conservative.ca/membership
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No, he is not our best chance. If he was his ratings would already be better.
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Why are you lying. He's at the top of the polls vs other candidates.
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