new yote gun build

[fish_e_o]

the 220AI is nearing the end of it's life and i want to make plans to swap the barrel. i think as much as i love the cartridge i want to move to not rimmed for easy feeding.

some ideas bounced around were 22-243AI, 22-284, 220AI...

must be:
22 cal
fast as hell
same bolt face (not stuck on it)
short action

[southernman]

I have been looking in to a .22-6mm Remington mostly because I have plenty of brass and would like a fast twist .22 cal shooting 75-80 gr bullets, in a long action to take advantage of the 80 gr v-max etc.
.243, 264, and 22-250 have Lapua brass, and I think if I didn't have plenty of 6mm brass, I would look at the 22-250Ai or the 243 midland,
Don't really see any real advantage to the .22-284 as it seams to be well beyond the capacity of the bore, more powder for no real increase over the .243 and 6mm case size.
I want to build one for goats and fallow deer, and cross gulley shots, in windy conditions, ( common hunting problem in the area of NZ I have my house) hence the high BC bullets being pushed fast, currently use my .264 win, but it's a bit much on 50-75kg animals.
Starting to lean on the 6mm Remington AI again, mostly as I have a couple that could be reamed out to Ai for bit more performance.
I wish the 22-250 was much more readily aviable in a fast twist, Sako and Winchester are you listening.

[fish_e_o]

still up for debate but this one will likely be a 1 in 8, 1 in 7 was a little tight and it sure shot great but i want a bit more velocity.

22-250 doesn't have enough zip nor does the ai

by 243 midland i think you mean 22-243 middlestead. while i was in there i'd bump it to an ai and go for a 22-243AI.

i've run 223 wssm it was ok but it's and old toy now.

as far as overbore is concerned it's not a detriment, more of a requirement.

[Robmcleod82]

224 tth

[tikka250]

what about 220weatherby rocket? Pretty much a 220ai with a fun name haha. Any specific reason to stick with 22 cal? I have seen some impresive balistics from guys running 20-250's and 20-243.

[southernman]

Originally Posted by Robmcleod82

224 tth

Isn't this pretty much a .22-6mm Remington ?
Or other.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Robmcleod82

224 tth

6mm brass is the sticker there. i don't like going out of my way scrounging for brass.

Originally Posted by tikka250

what about 220weatherby rocket? Pretty much a 220ai with a fun name haha. Any specific reason to stick with 22 cal? I have seen some impresive balistics from guys running 20-250's and 20-243.

lol something like the 220AI i'm replacing? might not worth a die swap for that little guy

i want to stick 22 because:
20 cal bullets suck for coyotes (yes even the heavy ones. yes i've tried them lots. yes i currently own 20 cal rifles. no i will never again subject a coyote to that.)

6mm is lame for shooting light bullets fast they tend to not be accurate.

also i have something like a rubbermaid tote full of 22 cal bullets already

[tikka250]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

lol something like the 220AI i'm replacing? might not worth a die swap for that little guy

i want to stick 22 because:
20 cal bullets suck for coyotes (yes even the heavy ones. yes i've tried them lots. yes i currently own 20 cal rifles. no i will never again subject a coyote to that.)

6mm is lame for shooting light bullets fast they tend to not be accurate.

also i have something like a rubbermaid tote full of 22 cal bullets already

Hmm yea i guess thats true enough. My alterior motive is i have a source for a set of dies but i have not heard any reports on the cartridge to justify getting a reamer and building a gun.

Interesting i have a 20 cal that i absolutely adore for coyotes and have only had 1 runaway which i will admit may have been due to operator error bear in mind as far as hot rod 20s go im throwing them pretty gentle.

Yea i guess buckets of ammo is a pretty fair reason to stick with .22

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by tikka250

Hmm yea i guess thats true enough. My alterior motive is i have a source for a set of dies but i have not heard any reports on the cartridge to justify getting a reamer and building a gun.

Interesting i have a 20 cal that i absolutely adore for coyotes and have only had 1 runaway which i will admit may have been due to operator error bear in mind as far as hot rod 20s go im throwing them pretty gentle.

Yea i guess buckets of ammo is a pretty fair reason to stick with .22

i assume it will perform almost exactly like a 220AI and it will be magical. lengthwise shots with most bullets are a necessity otherwise you'll with you had a coyote magnet to pick up all the little bits. you can actually make it look like it's snowing outside just from the fur settling.

i don't like tracking, things that run away, splashes, coyotes that take steps then die, etc. etc. etc. i hit it and don't question the need for another shot when i shoot a hot rod 22. just like guys who shoot a 243 for dogs it smacks em harder than you need.

ps if i was a fur guy i'd shoot my 204 or 17 and really work to find a bullet that would work well (not 32vmax or 39 sbks both splash bad) but i'm not a fur guy

[roger]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

as far as overbore is concerned it's not a detriment, more of a requirement.

it brings a tear to mine eye to read those words.

[Cheyenne 1]

I have a 22-284. They are a pretty neat caliber
Mine is a Remington action with a 1 in 8 twist Brux barrel. Shoots a 80 grain Berger around 3650fps. Could do more but figured why push it.

Brass is easy to form and you can actually buy good brass for it.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Cheyenne 1

I have a 22-284. They are a pretty neat caliber
Mine is a Remington action with a 1 in 8 twist Brux barrel. Shoots a 80 grain Berger around 3650fps. Could do more but figured why push it.

Brass is easy to form and you can actually buy good brass for it.

wow. i like the sound of that.

what's your loaded length for that combo? what powder are you burning? how long is your barrel?

have you tried it when it's really cold?

[tikka250]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

i assume it will perform almost exactly like a 220AI and it will be magical. lengthwise shots with most bullets are a necessity otherwise you'll with you had a coyote magnet to pick up all the little bits. you can actually make it look like it's snowing outside just from the fur settling.

i don't like tracking, things that run away, splashes, coyotes that take steps then die, etc. etc. etc. i hit it and don't question the need for another shot when i shoot a hot rod 22. just like guys who shoot a 243 for dogs it smacks em harder than you need.

ps if i was a fur guy i'd shoot my 204 or 17 and really work to find a bullet that would work well (not 32vmax or 39 sbks both splash bad) but i'm not a fur guy

Aha i gotcha. Im well aware of the "snowing" effect. Ps if you ever get the chance to see a 270gr tsx out of a 375hh hit a coyote lengthwise i can assure you its something special.
Im trying to keep fur damage low so thats a big difference. If you ever get bored of big poofs of fur or decide to start keeping fur.try the 40 vmax at around 3600. Good luck on your search im quite interested to see what you end up with.

[Cheyenne 1]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

wow. i like the sound of that.

what's your loaded length for that combo? what powder are you burning? how long is your barrel?

have you tried it when it's really cold?

I would have to check the overall length and get back to you on that.
I built mine on a long action so the length didn't matter much. I built it on a long action in case I ever wanted I build a differnt caliber.
Barrel length is 27 inches. And am using R-25. Have shot it quite a bit in the cold as Manitoba always seems to have windy cold weather. Lol
I haven't shot it in quite a while. Kind of built it and changed my mind as was onto other things.
My friend and I both built them at the same time. Not a lot of rounds through them. The local guy here who chambered them built quite a few and those guys shot them lots.
They did use a 1 in 7 twist on one of them and pushed it very hard. On that one the 90 grain Bergers would come apart before it got to the target.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by tikka250

Aha i gotcha. Im well aware of the "snowing" effect. Ps if you ever get the chance to see a 270gr tsx out of a 375hh hit a coyote lengthwise i can assure you its something special.

haha i've shot them with a lot of different guns and they're all special. 300 wsm with 110gr v-max, 9mm keltec, 45-70, lots with 308's &30-06's, 6-284 and 55gr, soon with the 28 nosler and 120gr v-max (still working the load).

22 is my little compromise, i get to shoot them, and 99% of the time my buddy wants the hide. i don't skin coyotes i hate bugs and i skinned a fox once, the fleas/lice were all over. never ever ever ever ever ever again.

i think i have some 40 v-maxs i just picked up actually maybe it'll be my backyard gun this year for the pupsicle

[fish_e_o]

http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/20-ca...20-nosler.html

maybe i will go 20 cal

[tchardy1972]

Any thought towards the 22 Creedmoor or 22 br?

[fish_e_o]

Remember that abandoned building test with the 22br. It was found to be the most accurate cartridge.

But not fast enough...

Creed I'm going to have to look into but I think they're both around the same.

I want to hit 4k with 55's

[tikka250]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/20-ca...20-nosler.html

maybe i will go 20 cal

Hehe you DID say you wanted overbore. As much as i love my 20 i have to admit that with the bullets available it mayy be a bit splashy

[tchardy1972]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

Remember that abandoned building test with the 22br. It was found to be the most accurate cartridge.

But not fast enough...

Creed I'm going to have to look into but I think they're both around the same.

I want to hit 4k with 55's

I'm sure the Creedmoor will push the 80's to around 3600. Fur would be flying but would it ever be a killer.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

Remember that abandoned building test with the 22br. It was found to be the most accurate cartridge.

But not fast enough...

Creed I'm going to have to look into but I think they're both around the same.

I want to hit 4k with 55's

Then chamber the 243.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by chuck

Then chamber the 243.

The 22-243ai? Shot it much?

[Pathfinder76]

Chamber the 243. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by chuck

Chamber the 243. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line.

No. No it's not.

It doesn't meet the requirements. Additionally if I was to move up to a 6mm the idea of using something so anemic and undistinguished makes me sick.

[Pathfinder76]

You want to shoot 55gr bullets at 4K. Shooting the 22-243AI gives you the fuzzies and the 243 shooting the same weight of bullet just as fast makes you sick?

That is very interesting.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by chuck

You want to shoot 55gr bullets at 4K. Shooting the 22-243AI gives you the fuzzies and the 243 shooting the same weight of bullet just as fast makes you sick?

That is very interesting.

If I wanted to throw 6mm bullets I'd probably use one of my 6mm rifles instead of replacing a soon to be smooth bore 22 cal barrel.

Some people enjoy low volume rifles with diminishing returns. Its a hard concept to understand that I enjoy something but do try to understand.

[Pathfinder76]

Well alrighty then. Fill your boots.

As for trying to understand. No thanks.

[fenceline]

22 dasher very impresive

[Smokinyotes]

Im shooting a 22-250 and 243 for coyotes right now but it wont be long and the 243 will be replaced with a 6-284. Shooting 87gr vmax or 88 gr Bergers the 6-284 is a bunch of fun.

[tikka250]

Are you on gunnutz? Because i feel like you may be interested in this guys build. 80 gr .224 bullets at 4000 are his goal http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum...-Now-With-Pics