KSA barrels and actions

rem338win · #1 11-14-2016, 01:19 PM

Fellas. This is of interest to me right now and would like to see pics and here info on the products. Any details on the actions to be had?

double gun · #2 11-14-2016, 05:19 PM

I handled one of his actions. It was very smooth, and overall looked like a nicely made action.

6.5x47 lapua · #3 11-15-2016, 08:02 AM

I cannot speak for any of the other calibers as of yet but Karls 30 cal barrels are as good as anybodys in the world.

260 Rem · #4 11-21-2016, 03:31 PM

Bump for incoming pictures.

260 Rem · #5 11-21-2016, 03:40 PM

While talking with Karl this AM ... got some pics as per the request in the OP. He is doing both short and long actions, single shot and repeater. He said the short actions come in about 30 oz. ... depending on bolt knob style. He is also doing some aluminum bottom metal compatible with single stack HS detachable mags. Very nice and silky smooth.

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SendIt · #6 11-21-2016, 04:22 PM

I have lots of information for you...if you can wait until friday:

Here is my rig: 260 REM, KSA ACTION.

rem338win · #7 11-21-2016, 05:28 PM

Those look sharp! Is it an integral rail? Is it a sako or m16 style ejector?

Looking forward to the update Sendit.

double gun · #8 11-21-2016, 05:36 PM

I can't remember which extractor it had. It's a 3 lug bolt, and apparently he has a few shroud and bolt handle options. The one I played with did not have a rail on it.

SendIt · #9 11-21-2016, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rem338win

Those look sharp! Is it an integral rail? Is it a sako or m16 style ejector?

Looking forward to the update Sendit.

Unfortunatelly the rail is not integral and i think its a sako style extractor

260 Rem · #10 11-21-2016, 06:22 PM

Maybe check the Website ksarms.com

prarie_boy1 · #11 11-21-2016, 06:26 PM

Spent some time in his shop the other day was quite pleased how they took the time to show the product and answer any questions. I was impressed with the action and its nice that a fellow can get something comparable to a stiller/defiance etc north of the border with a lot less wait time. Should I be in the market for something of that nature I will be purchasing the action and barrel from KS.

Homesteader · #12 11-22-2016, 07:20 AM

Look very nice.....but remember these will only be available for a limited time

because the next oil boom is right around the corner.

SendIt · #13 11-22-2016, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by prarie_boy1

Spent some time in his shop the other day was quite pleased how they took the time to show the product and answer any questions. I was impressed with the action and its nice that a fellow can get something comparable to a stiller/defiance etc north of the border with a lot less wait time. Should I be in the market for something of that nature I will be purchasing the action and barrel from KS.

If i could do it again....id go with stiller/defiance

SendIt · #14 11-22-2016, 05:24 PM

This is why:

Note that the bolt in this actions is not one piece. The bolt handle is theeaded into the bolt. After talking to some metal experts the general opinion was metal hardening....

It was dropped of yesterday to get fix...the service was great...one day turn around. bolt banded was re-threaded and re-screwed in....making the bolt handle a bit short...

My concern is with the rest id the bolt handle or the the entire bolt itself if it came from thesame metal/ same manufacturing process...will it break again??? Hopefully not as i love this rifle

Bergerboy · #15 11-22-2016, 06:19 PM

Most bolts are not one solid piece. Remington 700's are brazed on. That looks like an intergranular fracture with the crack initiation from the front of the bolt. From what I can see in the picture its either from a metal impurity or excessive force was applied tying to open the bolt. This is not from fatigue. Now that it is fixed, as long as you don't attempt to cycle the action with a hammer or snipe you should be ok. The one day turn around would make me lean toward this manufacturer instead of Stiller or Defiance.

SendIt · #16 11-22-2016, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Most bolts are not one solid piece. Remington 700's are brazed on. That looks like an intergranular fracture with the crack initiation from the front of the bolt. From what I can see in the picture its either from a metal impurity or excessive force was applied tying to open the bolt. This is not from fatigue. Now that it is fixed, as long as you don't attempt to cycle the action with a hammer or snipe you should be ok. The one day turn around would make me lean toward this manufacturer instead of Stiller or Defiance.

Note that this handle broke while closing the bolt meassuring for headspace which requires very gentle bolt handling to be able to feel case shoulder againt chamber. Also another issue with my action is that its very limited to C.O.L which im happy they will fix for me very soon. And lastly, i had decided to go with this action because it was gonna be a rem 700 drop in...meaning i wouldnt have to buy a stock or chassis since i already own one and planned to use my cadex chassis for this built...they had to mill out some material of my cadex defence chassis which is a true rem 700 drop in so that the bolt release would fit and the tang...but it turned out very good....its just that now these two are forever married....aside from that im happy with their service.

Im in the process of building a 7mm-300 norma and i picked defiance...integral rail and one piece bolt will be ectra bonus.

Bergerboy · #17 11-22-2016, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SendIt

Note that this handle broke while closing the bolt meassuring for headspace which requires very gentle bolt handling to be able to feel case shoulder againt chamber. Also another issue with my action is that its very limited to C.O.L which im happy they will fix for me very soon. And lastly, i had decided to go with this action because it was gonna be a rem 700 drop in...meaning i wouldnt have to buy a stock or chassis since i already own one and planned to use my cadex chassis for this built...they had to mill out some material of my cadex defence chassis which is a true rem 700 drop in so that the bolt release would fit and the tang...but it turned out very good....its just that now these two are forever married....aside from that im happy with their service.

Im in the process of building a 7mm-300 norma and i picked defiance...integral rail and one piece bolt will be ectra bonus.

The Defiance actions have threaded on bolt handles as well. Not sure how anyone could economically machine a bolt and handle from one piece of material.

kennedy · #18 11-23-2016, 01:08 AM

Go stiller all the way

SendIt · #19 11-23-2016, 05:51 AM

I talked to defiance about rheir tac338 and rhey told me rhat the bolt is one piece but the handel is threaded to accomodate swaping bolt knobs of diferent likings/size/styles. Infact this is right on their website:

"Bolt machined from one piece of pre-hardened 4340 chrome moly and threaded for interchangeable knobs"

Receiver Body
Single shot or repeater style magazine cut
Bolt Stop/Side bolt release, Spring, Pin

One-Piece Bolt

Bolt Fluting
Plunger Ejector
Mini 16 Extractor
Bolt Knob
Firing Pin / Spring
Cocking Piece
Bolt Shroud

Skytop B · #20 11-23-2016, 06:57 AM

PTG Mfg the bolts for Stiller. The handle and bolt body are a solid machined piece, not threaded or welded. Just the handle is threaded so you can change out the knobs, I have a couple of Stiller actions.

Pathfinder76 · #21 11-23-2016, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bergerboy

The Defiance actions have threaded on bolt handles as well. Not sure how anyone could economically machine a bolt and handle from one piece of material.

They have threaded on bolt knobs, not handles.

Mateo · #22 11-23-2016, 09:02 AM

I have a PTG bolt that has the one piece handle for my blueprinted R700 reciever. Very nicecly done. One less thing to worry about.

260 Rem · #23 11-23-2016, 09:15 AM

Not sure how much of an issue breaking a bolt handle is ... I have no idea if those I've used over the past 60 years were one piece, threaded, or glued in ...but none have broken off. Never even personally spoken with anyone that claimed to break one.

double gun · #24 11-23-2016, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SendIt

This is why:

Note that the bolt in this actions is not one piece. The bolt handle is theeaded into the bolt. After talking to some metal experts the general opinion was metal hardening....

It was dropped of yesterday to get fix...the service was great...one day turn around. bolt banded was re-threaded and re-screwed in....making the bolt handle a bit short...

My concern is with the rest id the bolt handle or the the entire bolt itself if it came from thesame metal/ same manufacturing process...will it break again??? Hopefully not as i love this rifle

It sure looks like the bolt handle and bolt body are threaded internally and joined with a threaded shank - ie long setscrew. At least it looks that way to me.

TangoKilo · #25 11-25-2016, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by double gun

It sure looks like the bolt handle and bolt body are threaded internally and joined with a threaded shank - ie long setscrew. At least it looks that way to me.

I was thinking the same thing!

Warwick 5 · #26 12-02-2016, 10:55 AM

We have completed several builds using the KS actions (including Send Its) and have been VERY happy with the actions. We also use Defiance and Stiller. The fit and finish of the KS actions are much tighter than both the Defiance and Stiller (with Defiance being much better than the Stiller). There are significant differences between the KS action and the Defiance/Stiller.

The KS is a 3-lug action with a Sako extractor. It is 4340 chrome moly then nitrited. The bolt is a single one-piece with a screw in bolt handle. Similar to Barnard, PGW and AI. The rails are not integral, but are available in 20, 30, and 40 moa and meet the new STANAG Nato specifications. The bolt is spiral faceted rather than fluted and hand lapped to 1/2-1 thousandth tolerances.

The customer service from KS has been absolutely outstanding and the products top notch. It is strange to see a broken bolt handle like that and not really sure how it happened, but in the end, it was looked after with very little turn around time. I have complete faith in KS and their products and we will continue to use them as our primary actions for our custom builds.

dogslayer403 · #27 12-02-2016, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EM Precision

We have completed several builds using the KS actions (including Send Its) and have been VERY happy with the actions. We also use Defiance and Stiller. The fit and finish of the KS actions are much tighter than both the Defiance and Stiller (with Defiance being much better than the Stiller). There are significant differences between the KS action and the Defiance/Stiller.

The KS is a 3-lug action with a Sako extractor. It is 4340 chrome moly then nitrited. The bolt is a single one-piece with a screw in bolt handle. Similar to Barnard, PGW and AI. The rails are not integral, but are available in 20, 30, and 40 moa and meet the new STANAG Nato specifications. The bolt is spiral faceted rather than fluted and hand lapped to 1/2-1 thousandth tolerances.

The customer service from KS has been absolutely outstanding and the products top notch. It is strange to see a broken bolt handle like that and not really sure how it happened, but in the end, it was looked after with very little turn around time. I have complete faith in KS and their products and we will continue to use them as our primary actions for our custom builds.

Id have a hard time trusting one after seeing that. To me thats a game changer on a hunting rifle cause careful as you are horses and hills can be tough on rifles and id be some ****ed sitting on a mountain 2 days in with broken bolt handle customer service cant do much for you out there.
The rest of the action looks very well built but that is poor design for a bolt handle and the weak link is always the most important

catnthehat · #28 12-02-2016, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dogslayer403

Id have a hard time trusting one after seeing that. To me thats a game changer on a hunting rifle cause careful as you are horses and hills can be tough on rifles and id be some ****ed sitting on a mountain 2 days in with broken bolt handle customer service cant do much for you out there.
The rest of the action looks very well built but that is poor design for a bolt handle and the weak link is always the most important

I have seen Mauser and Remington Bolts come off as well, it's not common but it can happen with most rifles as well as other issues
Cat

dogslayer403 · #29 12-02-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by catnthehat

I have seen Mayser and Remington Bolts come off as well, it's not common but it can happen with most rifles as well as other issues
Cat

True but whats the price difference between a rem action and one of these?

Warwick 5 · #30 12-02-2016, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dogslayer403

Id have a hard time trusting one after seeing that. To me thats a game changer on a hunting rifle cause careful as you are horses and hills can be tough on rifles and id be some ****ed sitting on a mountain 2 days in with broken bolt handle customer service cant do much for you out there.
The rest of the action looks very well built but that is poor design for a bolt handle and the weak link is always the most important

Fair enough. We dont believe that this is an ongoing issue but rather a one off. Mike and Karl at KS have taken this very seriously and have looked at the design. The handles are extremely solid and durable. Again, im not totally sure how this actually happened, but it most definitely did not happen soley from a light closing of the bolt.