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That science is predicated on theories. To be a fact you have to prove your theories. Man made climate change is a theory. It's a theory that a lot of politicians and people have hysterically and with little critical thought jumped on the bandwagon.
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By your use if the word 'theory' it sounds like you really mean ' hypothesis'.
Huge difference in science.
E=MC2 is a theory.
Not many disputing it.
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10-26-2013, 02:56 PM
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AL Gore is making killing out of this climate change thing.
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He did. He is a despicable hypocrite.
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10-26-2013, 03:59 PM
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By your use if the word 'theory' it sounds like you really mean ' hypothesis'.
Huge difference in science.
E=MC2 is a theory.
Not many disputing it.
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Most people like to think they understand the English language but forget that it is the bastard child of at least a half a dozen other languages.
Theory in common use is different then Theory in scientific use which is different then Theory in legal terminology.
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10-26-2013, 04:03 PM
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Most people like to think they understand the English language but forget that it is the bastard child of at least a half a dozen other languages.
Theory in common use is different then Theory in scientific use which is different then Theory in legal terminology.
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But if we are talking about science, let's use the term properly the way it is understood in science. Not the way it is thought of in the street. Words have specific meanings and it behooves us to understand that.
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10-26-2013, 05:04 PM
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Both the Wild Rose party and Daneille Smith now agreed that climate change is real.
http://www2.canada.com/edmontonjourn...866846ca19&p=1
Less and less deniers left out there as science studies keep confirming the facts.
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She is pandering to the gullible and the biggest gullible group is your climate make believers.
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She is slowly learning what it takes to get votes....calm down AVB, she didn't exactly go the extent of your endless posts.......
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10-26-2013, 05:25 PM
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Good for her. Hope she puts it in the WildRose RedBook.
The people that believe in AGW will of course believe anything someone says.
The rest of us know precisely what she is going to do about AGW when elected. (Stick a pin in it)
Please continue to drum up votes for her amongst the members of your church.
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By your use if the word 'theory' it sounds like you really mean ' hypothesis'.
Huge difference in science.
E=MC2 is a theory.
Not many disputing it.
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How did Albert get to relativity....go around the room for a simple show of hands or?...'Ja, looks like vee got ein konsensus....gut enough!'
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10-26-2013, 06:03 PM
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She is pandering to the gullible and the biggest gullible group is your climate make believers.
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Is she pandering to the gay activists also? What about those that are anti racist?
http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/canada/edm...tory/1.2252867
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10-26-2013, 06:04 PM
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She is slowly learning what it takes to get votes....calm down AVB, she didn't exactly go the extent of your endless posts.......
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True, but then she's a pretty quick learner 
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she is learning,
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10-26-2013, 06:07 PM
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How did Albert get to relativity....go around the room for a simple show of hands or?...'Ja, looks like vee got ein konsensus....gut enough!'
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You really don't know how science gets from a hypotheses to a theory do you? Nor really care do you? It's more fun to be flippant and sound interesting on the internet isn't it?
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10-26-2013, 06:15 PM
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You really don't know how science gets from a hypotheses to a theory do you? Nor really care do you? It's more fun to be flippant and sound interesting on the internet isn't it?
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....actually I do buddy.....look in the mirror...when you 'looked at the science' didn't that twisty bulb in your knoggin turn a slighlty brighter shade of amber for a second or two when you heard things like 'settled science' & alleged 'debates being over'....didn't any alarm bells go off??...no?........am i sounding all iintersting & such on the internets???
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10-26-2013, 06:43 PM
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He did. He is a despicable hypocrite.
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Wow. I am confused. You are insulting the God of global warming. The global warming science fiction motion picture movie actor Nobel prize winner. 
Going against him is like saying you don't believe in your greatest cult leader of all times. 
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....actually I do buddy.....look in the mirror...when you 'looked at the science' didn't that twisty bulb in your knoggin turn a slighlty brighter shade of amber for a second or two when you heard things like 'settled science' & alleged 'debates being over'....didn't any alarm bells go off??...no?........am i sounding all iintersting & such on the internets???
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Don't change the subject and try and show him that all studies proving global warming are based upon computer models that always fail and "what if" statements that never materialize.
Most studies over the last 16 years were based upon the Earth warming. Since that did not happen you would think such a major flaw would of created a need to revisit each "what if" statement/stud.
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10-26-2013, 06:48 PM
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Everybody has an opinion. Some get made into movies.
The earth was flat once. Truth hurts.
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10-26-2013, 07:45 PM
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Don't change the subject and try and show him that all studies proving global warming are based upon computer models that always fail and "what if" statements that never materialize.
Most studies over the last 16 years were based upon the Earth warming. Since that did not happen you would think such a major flaw would of created a need to revisit each "what if" statement/stud.
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Actually that is incorrect. Land based temperature has not increases rapidly, but it has not decreased. The scary part is a significant increase in deep ocean temperatures recently. One has to look at the entire picture and not cherry pick.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics...telli_Fig1.jpg
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Wow. I am confused. You are insulting the God of global warming. The global warming science fiction motion picture movie actor Nobel prize winner.
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Don't be confused. Gore is a PR seeking hypocrite. He's not a scientist either.
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10-26-2013, 08:19 PM
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At what point does the Wildrose policy changes require the membership realize that they are now a small c Conservative partY. The Wildrose selling out it's principles for political gain - who'd thought that would ever happen.
Can't wait to see the chameleon change yet again.
But politics ain't about principles, it's about power.
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At what point does the Wildrose policy changes require the membership realize that they are now a small c Conservative partY. The Wildrose selling out it's principles for political gain - who'd thought that would ever happen.
Can't wait to see the chameleon change yet again.
But politics ain't about principles, it's about power.
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did they not always sell themselves as a conservative party?......
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In order for the WR to have a chance in the next election, they will need to convince a majority of Albertans that they have changed more than just their policy...but their will to actually work towards these new found goals. That will be a tough job if the same old players are trying to sound like a new band.
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10-26-2013, 11:35 PM
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Actually that is incorrect. Land based temperature has not increases rapidly, but it has not decreased. The scary part is a significant increase in deep ocean temperatures recently. One has to look at the entire picture and not cherry pick.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics...telli_Fig1.jpg |
When global warming theorists fail miserably at making straight guesses and predictions their fall back is more guesses and predictions. Common sense dictates if he ocean surface is cooler and at great depths deeper it has to be subsurface heating effects... Tectonic type stuff as heat transference through water would heat said water.
But who am I to argue with scientists panicking over potentially losing lucrative research grants.
One has to not cherry pick a few ok guesses and look at the big picture of constantly failing computer models.
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10-26-2013, 11:37 PM
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Don't be confused. Gore is a PR seeking hypocrite. He's not a scientist either.
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Your right again. His constant sell job of failed computer models, exaggerated theories and fail "what if" logic was very hypocritical of him... Not to mention using this fear to make millions like Suzuki.
IMHO
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Smith should be replaced immediately, she's done.
People with independent thought recognize the fraud that "climate change" is.
She can't possibly hope to represent true freedom while at the same time, believing in junk science.
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Smith should be replaced immediately, she's done.
People with independent thought recognize the fraud that "climate change" is.
She can't possibly hope to represent true freedom while at the same time, believing in junk science.
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She got a 90.2% approval rating at the conference. Apparently the Wildrose delegates support her with a significant majority.
I guess some are going to have to go find the Social Credit. You would probably feel comfortable there.
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10-27-2013, 10:47 AM
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Let's hope for a better showing in the next election. After the High-River incident I'm a bit concerned over how the current PC party respects individuals
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Danielle Smith knows there are some taboo subjects that left wing hack media types like to crucify conservatives on. Sadly, there are enough voters that can't think on their own, so they plod along doing what the media tells them to do. She's a very smart lady, and no more believes in AGW than any other intelligent thinking person does. She just knows that most of the electorate needs to hear certain touchstones in order to be given the go ahead by their like minded peers and the media. It took Harper a while to learn to play the game as well.
If all the voters were intelligent and took the time to educate themselves, she would have gotten in last election.
Like Hal says, she is learning.
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10-27-2013, 11:29 AM
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Danielle Smith knows there are some taboo subjects that left wing hack media types like to crucify conservatives on. Sadly, there are enough voters that can't think on their own, so they plod along doing what the media tells them to do. She's a very smart lady, and no more believes in AGW than any other intelligent thinking person does. She just knows that most of the electorate needs to hear certain touchstones in order to be given the go ahead by their like minded peers and the media. It took Harper a while to learn to play the game as well.
If all the voters were intelligent and took the time to educate themselves, she would have gotten in last election.
Like Hal says, she is learning.
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Oh, for that perfect world...
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