Petition to oust the RCMP

[Pioneer2]

https://www.change.org/p/united-cons..._share_initial

[rem338win]

Hahaha.

And do what? I am for reform but over night you want the majority of Canada without police.

I have no polite term for such a thing.

[Reinchampion]

You want Alberta to have its own police force? Ontario and Quebec have a provincial police force. Check how much that cost them in taxes compare to our cost with RCMP.
The RCMP is not perfect. They make mistakes. But so all other police forces around the world. What makes you think an Alberta provincial police force would do better?

[Pioneer2]

The feds would lose their Gestapo to enforce their new oppressive gun grabbing laws.A monkey in a suit could be trusted more.A provincial force would answer to the premier not Ottawa.

[Big_Willy]

Sorry, but this is not even remotely possible.

Alberta has around 3000 RCMP personel of various ranks and specialties.

What Alberta doesn't have, any more, is the wealth to replace, or, more likely RE-HIRE these 3000 men and women to do the exact same job. Not to mention all the equipment, training, competitive wages/benefits, infrastructure, et-cetera.

Alberta also lacks a Police College to train 3000 new hires. There was a proposal for a training academy in Fort McCleod, but, that was scrapped due primarily to cost nearly ten years ago.

Maybe we should focus on the real problem which is the current Federal Liberal minority government?

[thumper]

We already have the Alberta Sheriffs and our cities already have their own police forces. Expand the Alberta Sheriffs to take over the RCMP roles in the province. Start to offer towns an alternative to contracting the RCMP with the Alberta Sheriff service. Start with offering it to High River!

Simply phase the RCMP out. Why would it cost any more?

[JeanCretien]

Originally Posted by Pioneer2

The feds would lose their Gestapo to enforce their new oppressive gun grabbing laws.A monkey in a suit could be trusted more.A provincial force would answer to the premier not Ottawa.

Sounds good to me. The USA Que and Ont make it work. I bet if we weren’t paying Que and the other welfare provinces through the nose, AB would have the money. Fish cops state side and county cops enforce state and some fed laws. This is doable and Ottawa would loose much of their ability to enforce their BS. Until there is democratic representation in Canada, why pay to contract the rcmp for enforcement here? They enforce the will of a dictator- that is what we have had since Harper lost the election-even though he won the popular vote.
I would imagine CRA will be auditing me for writing this...


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[JeanCretien]

Originally Posted by thumper

We already have the Alberta Sheriffs and our cities already have their own police forces. Expand the Alberta Sheriffs to take over the RCMP roles in the province. Start to offer towns an alternative to contracting the RCMP with the Alberta Sheriff service. Start with offering it to High River!

Simply phase the RCMP out. Why would it cost any more?

Exactly. Alberta pays for the rcmp. It’s a fair chunk of change- another cheque going east. Maybe it would cost more but I bet that less would go missing.


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[rem338win]

Originally Posted by Pioneer2

The feds would lose their Gestapo to enforce their new oppressive gun grabbing laws.A monkey in a suit could be trusted more.A provincial force would answer to the premier not Ottawa.

No, they would answer to a comission, not the politician. You want to prevent corruption.

Originally Posted by thumper

We already have the Alberta Sheriffs and our cities already have their own police forces. Expand the Alberta Sheriffs to take over the RCMP roles in the province. Start to offer towns an alternative to contracting the RCMP with the Alberta Sheriff service. Start with offering it to High River!

Simply phase the RCMP out. Why would it cost any more?

First, none of the Sheriffs have completed a background check that includes polygraphing etc and that would be required. And they would require a mininum of 6 month in a police college. Then they would need another 6 months of mentoring on patrol before they become deployable. That's about 100k each not including their years wage. And youd have to give them a raise to put that burden on their shoulders.

Now where do you intend to start this process? And the phased out RCMP will just do the mentoring maybe? For 3000 replacements. Goodness sakes.

And our cities don't have their own forces. Some do.

Grand Prairie and Red Deer to start.

The plans started under Klein that died under Stelmach to start this process had a budget we cant even think about at this point. To state simply phase them out shows a serious degree of ignorance. Triple our policing costs for several years minimum.

Go back and read my post history; I've supported a provincial police force in Alberta for a long time. This petition is ignorant of how it would have to work to make a transition. This is why mobs are dangerous; ignorance rules in a hasty land.

Alberta sold itself out when we let the decline start with that spineless squid Stelmach. We have to wait for now, or start taking really small bites.

[Smoky buck]

Not that I am a big RCMP supporter and do agree with a provincial police force but this is not going to do a thing in regards to the new firearms ban. It does not matter if it’s a provincial police force or RCMP their job will include enforcement of federal firearms laws

I don’t know why some think picking a fight with law enforcement is beneficial to defending against the new ban or any other future firearms laws. All this does is help create more opposition for firearms owners when we need allies

Pick your battles wisely

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Not that I am a big RCMP supporter and do agree with a provincial police force but this is not going to do a thing in regards to the new firearms ban. It does not matter if it’s a provincial police force or RCMP their job will include enforcement of federal firearms laws

I don’t know why some think picking a fight with law enforcement is beneficial to defending against the new ban or any other future firearms laws. All this does is help create more opposition for firearms owners when we need allies

Pick your battles wisely

Well said. This is no time for knee-jerk reactions.

[Big_Willy]

Originally Posted by thumper

We already have the Alberta Sheriffs and our cities already have their own police forces. Expand the Alberta Sheriffs to take over the RCMP roles in the province. Start to offer towns an alternative to contracting the RCMP with the Alberta Sheriff service. Start with offering it to High River!

Simply phase the RCMP out. Why would it cost any more?

Very costly!

Firstly, Alberta Sheriffs are not police officers. They are peace officers. They only deal with Provincial Statutes. In order to upgrade the Sheriffs who desire to be police officers (not all would want to transition), they would need 6 months full-time training plus 6 months field coaching. Who would do that training and act as a field coach?

Second, the Province would have to offer competitive wages and benefits for the Sheriffs which wish to be upgraded AND the vacancies of which there would be thousands. The Province would have to bank on A LOT of current RCMP patching over to an Alberta force. This is not guaranteed.

Third, all the equipment the RCMP owns they will keep. This included vehicles, helicopters, airplanes, computers, office equipment, software licences, police dogs, et-cetera. Most of the buildings do belong to the Province, I believe.

Fourth. Municipal Police only patrol up to municipal borders. A Regional Police Service will only patrol rural counties adjacent to their municipal hub, generally. Lots of open space in Alberta that would never be patrolled.

There are many other hurdles and costs. As the saying goes- you cant get something for nothing.

[Full Curl Earl]

Lets vote in our law enforcement, go to Sheriffs like the US. When they aren’t producing, vote them out. They certainly wouldnt be involved in developing firearms law and could speak openly against it. Would result in a more geographic specific police strategy.
Right now RCMP are taking control of things they have no business with.

[DiabeticKripple]

APP has a nice ring to it.

No more orders from the East.

it would be nice to have officers that actually live here and care about here, instead of just random rotaters coming and going every 3 years.

[Pioneer2]

Always comes at a price.If we separate who cares what Ottawa thinks?

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Reinchampion

You want Alberta to have its own police force? Ontario and Quebec have a provincial police force. Check how much that cost them in taxes compare to our cost with RCMP.
The RCMP is not perfect. They make mistakes. But so all other police forces around the world. What makes you think an Alberta provincial police force would do better?

exactly...this is just anther first world sense of entitlement rant...with no real thought put behind it....next!

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

APP has a nice ring to it.

No more orders from the East.

it would be nice to have officers that actually live here and care about here, instead of just random rotaters coming and going every 3 years.

hmm I was a so called rotater….luv every province I was at and luv driving through them and meeting people too....the provinces that I hung my beret in I became part of the community....not all so called rotators don't care....just saying.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by thumper

We already have the Alberta Sheriffs and our cities already have their own police forces. Expand the Alberta Sheriffs to take over the RCMP roles in the province. Start to offer towns an alternative to contracting the RCMP with the Alberta Sheriff service. Start with offering it to High River!

Simply phase the RCMP out. Why would it cost any more?

more sheriffs that replace the RCMP now would want an increased salary too as the sheriffs do not make as much as the RCMP do....cost...increased taxes...then you will hear the crying....

[elkhunter11]

While I don't trust the RCMP organization at all, I just don't see a feasible alternative at this time.

[Full Curl Earl]

You have no clue who these posters are, so what makes you the authority? I dont think you know what entitlement means...
So your for no change, and your only input is an insult, thats awful Helpful of ya.
Move along.

QUOTE=58thecat;4164737]exactly...this is just anther first world sense of entitlement rant...with no real thought put behind it....next![/QUOTE]

[thumper]

I understand that Alberta already has provincial back-up behind the feds at our only airport accepting international flights (Calgary), and US land border crossings, - because we can't trust the feds there to adequately protect us. That's something that we can ill afford right now - but we're accepting that additional cost.
It wasn't that long ago that Alberta Sheriffs assumed many RCMP roles in this province. I don't recall that breaking the bank. That process took phasing in - time & training. I think it's time to ramp that up and phase the Sheriffs into assuming more RCMP duties, leading to eventually fully replacing the RCMP policing in this province.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Full Curl Earl

You have no clue who these posters are, so what makes you the authority? I dont think you know what entitlement means...
So your for no change, and your only input is an insult, thats awful Helpful of ya.
Move along.

QUOTE=58thecat;4164737]exactly...this is just anther first world sense of entitlement rant...with no real thought put behind it....next!

[/QUOTE]

breath...read the other posts...those that put entitlement before responsibility is called adolescence....cant operate that way.....as said in a post earlier there will be a huge increase of salary between the sheriff rate of and the RCMP's and then the placement of the new officers etc...that will come from our taxes being that they are APP's now....like I said there will be a lot of uproar over that...oh well who are we kidding not going to happen....best stay focused on not loosing our guns first.

[Big_Willy]

Originally Posted by thumper

I understand that Alberta already has provincial back-up behind the feds at our only airport accepting international flights (Calgary), and US land border crossings, - because we can't trust the feds there to adequately protect us. That's something that we can ill afford right now - but we're accepting that additional cost.
It wasn't that long ago that Alberta Sheriffs assumed many RCMP roles in this province. I don't recall that breaking the bank. That process took phasing in - time & training. I think it's time to ramp that up and phase the Sheriffs into assuming more RCMP duties, leading to eventually fully replacing the RCMP policing in this province.

I am not aware of the Alberta Sheriffs assuming "many RCMP roles". If you are referring to the recent Alberta Sheriff's rural crime proposal, those plans were unceremoniously shelved as not being practical, nor, cost effective.

It all comes down to money. This is why the Alberta Provincial Police only lasted for a decade and a half (1917-1932). Way too costly. Things haven't changed and we may not have an oil sector to pull us out of the muck anymore. Reality sucks.

[Mr Conservation]

Originally Posted by Pioneer2

The feds would lose their Gestapo to enforce their new oppressive gun grabbing laws.A monkey in a suit could be trusted more.A provincial force would answer to the premier not Ottawa.

I have a lot of friends who are RCMP Officers. They are NOT in agreement with what has transpired. Many of them own firearms that are on the "banned" list, so they are affected too.

Mr Conservation

[Pioneer2]

Will they do as they are told at roundup time or refuse? I know some as well that will not participate in a gun grab.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by thumper

I understand that Alberta already has provincial back-up behind the feds at our only airport accepting international flights (Calgary), and US land border crossings, - because we can't trust the feds there to adequately protect us. That's something that we can ill afford right now - but we're accepting that additional cost.
It wasn't that long ago that Alberta Sheriffs assumed many RCMP roles in this province. I don't recall that breaking the bank. That process took phasing in - time & training. I think it's time to ramp that up and phase the Sheriffs into assuming more RCMP duties, leading to eventually fully replacing the RCMP policing in this province.

Not an ounce of reality in your post, friend.

The Sheriffs assumed zero RCMP roles. They augmentent a few limited ones and took roles inside some ALERT teams. Less than 100 people are in thoae roles today. None replacements.

And your backup statement about the airports is pure BS. Whomever told you that has a very stinky shovel.

Read my above post.

[fps plus]

Originally Posted by Pioneer2

Will they do as they are told at roundup time or refuse? I know some as well that will not participate in a gun grab.

They will create their own special squad to pick come get them. There will be many members that believe in this new gun control measure.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by Pioneer2

Will they do as they are told at roundup time or refuse? I know some as well that will not participate in a gun grab.

It won’t matter if it’s a provincial police force or RCMP enforcement of federal firearms laws is part of the job

[raw outdoors]

Originally Posted by Full Curl Earl

Lets vote in our law enforcement, go to Sheriffs like the US. When they aren’t producing, vote them out. They certainly wouldnt be involved in developing firearms law and could speak openly against it. Would result in a more geographic specific police strategy.
Right now RCMP are taking control of things they have no business with.

100% get them voted In from county to county when they suck at there job they are voted out.

[raw outdoors]

Originally Posted by fps plus

They will create their own special squad to pick come get them. There will be many members that believe in this new gun control measure.

They will just bring back the crew that smashed down doors in high river. Those guys where real heroes. 👎🏻