Sad Story

RaptorRed · #1 09-20-2017, 08:00 AM

Something that doesn't need to happen, it gives all of us a bad name.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...-dog-1.4297487

Pathfinder76 · #2 09-20-2017, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RaptorRed

Something that doesn't need to happen, it gives all of us a bad name.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...-dog-1.4297487

Why does this give me a bad name? Can we stop perpetuating this "gives all hunters a bad name" garbage.

st99 · #3 09-20-2017, 08:33 AM

I have a husky, every time we leave the city limit we put his hi viz orange back pack on. Things like that are very likely to happen for dogs that looks like coyote or wolf, and are preventable. In this case, the dog owner is to blame.

boah · #4 09-20-2017, 08:35 AM

If I saw that dog in my hunting area, I may have shot it also.

Newellknik · #5 09-20-2017, 08:39 AM

Those idiot people with the dogs don't have enough brains to put
A fluorescent orange collar on the dog . Out in the bush during
hunting season with no distinct colors to separate them from the
flora and fauna . If the poacher in question thought it was a wolf
Looks like an easy mistake . But hunting wolves out of season in
that area , throw the book at him . Call him what he is , not a hunter.
I agree with Chuck I don't identify myself with the ***** in the
story ! Another Leo coming up ......horse doo doo !

RaptorRed · #6 09-20-2017, 08:53 AM

IT shouldn't give us all a bad name, but in the eyes of some people it does. As it says in the article she wants to make that area a no hunting zone, so we all suffer because of one person.

My question is how far away was this dog from the family , when the guy pulled the trigger????

Maybe she is in the wrong for not properly outfitting her dog, IDK. Just really bad optics when you also read about what happened in Sask.

.257Weatherby · #7 09-20-2017, 09:05 AM

I read an article from the local Squamish newspaper yesterday and the article claims the dog was 20 yrds away from the shooter or rather the irresponsible shooter.

Dont know how close/far the person walking the dog was though.

The Police turned the file over to the BC Conservation Office according to that report I read yesterday.

Dont be so hard of those city folks who moved to the Wilds of Squamish , they dont know there are wild animals in their new neighborhood...let alone those wild animals that will eat them.

Rob

3blade · #8 09-20-2017, 09:07 AM

Put your ****ing dogs on a leash. Or, if you are hunting with them, put an orange vest on them and keep them under control. It's not complicated. No one else wants anything to do with them, nor can previous dog behavior predict future dog behavior.

At 20 yards it's a defensive shot. Probably why they haven't charged him. No it does not give hunters a bad name.

Dakota369 · #9 09-20-2017, 09:21 AM

You all are kidding right?

You know it is your responsibility before you pull the trigger at anything including a target to know what you are shooting (including if it is legal) and what you may hit if you miss. The hunter was to blame completely. Regardless of season etc. and from the article it would appear that the dog was in close proximity to the owners as she was able to get too it and soothe it while it passed.

Hopefully this idiot gets a dangerous use of a firearm charge.

.257Weatherby · #10 09-20-2017, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 3blade

Put your ****ing dogs on a leash. Or, if you are hunting with them, put an orange vest on them and keep them under control. It's not complicated. No one else wants anything to do with them, nor can previous dog behavior predict future dog behavior.

At 20 yards it's a defensive shot. Probably why they haven't charged him. No it does not give hunters a bad name.

Defensive shot you say...
Where you there?
It was a Therapy Dog after all.
Be sure of your target and beyond...
Rob

3blade · #11 09-20-2017, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dakota369

You all are kidding right?

You know it is your responsibility before you pull the trigger at anything including a target to know what you are shooting (including if it is legal) and what you may hit if you miss. The hunter was to blame completely. Regardless of season etc. and from the article it would appear that the dog was in close proximity to the owners as she was able to get too it and soothe it while it passed.

Hopefully this idiot gets a dangerous use of a firearm charge.

No. It's a predator within striking distance of the shooter therefore a completely justified shot. I got bit on a training hike this year by "poor fluffy who has never done anything like that" and I'll guarantee you, inside 25 yards your dog won't get a warning.

It's the owners responsibility to control it and it should have been on a leash. She failed. Consequences.

bobtodrick · #12 09-20-2017, 10:01 AM

If the reporting is correct (Global) that I saw on TV the shooter was 6 meters away from the dog.
But it also stated the owner was 3 meters away from the dog.
Who shoots an animal when there is a human only 10 feet from the animal???

dmcbride · #13 09-20-2017, 10:04 AM

Is Coyote season open in that area? I could see someone mistaking that dog for a Coyote.

waterninja · #14 09-20-2017, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Newellknik

Those idiot people with the dogs don't have enough brains to put
A fluorescent orange collar on the dog . Out in the bush during
hunting season with no distinct colors to separate them from the
flora and fauna . If the poacher in question thought it was a wolf
Looks like an easy mistake . But hunting wolves out of season in
that area , throw the book at him . Call him what he is , not a hunter.
I agree with Chuck I don't identify myself with the ***** in the
story ! Another Leo coming up ......horse doo doo !

I agree with other posters about having some sort of bright collar or vest on your dog during hunting season, esp if it resembles a wolf or coyote.
I don't think you can call the hunter a poacher though. The article said that wolves are not known to be in that area, not that it was illegal to shoot one if you see it. For all we know, he could have legally shot a wolf in that area.

IronNoggin · #15 09-20-2017, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dakota369

You all are kidding right? You know it is your responsibility before you pull the trigger at anything including a target to know what you are shooting (including if it is legal) and what you may hit if you miss.

This was a Tamaskan dog, a rare Finnish breed. The working dog was specifically bred to look like a wolf by mixing the Siberian Husky, Alaskan Malamute and German Shepherd breeds. If you bothered to look at the article, it may have struck you just how close to the real McCoy they got. My Lady & I have raised Wolf Hybrids for over 30 years. Even to us, that animal looked exactly like what it was bred to look like - a wolf.

I have killed a LOT of wolves. And I likely would have shot this animal myself believing it was one, even upon close inspection.

There is more than a little controversy over this incidence. The story from the owner has varied in that the ranges were first 20 meters, then 20 feet, then 10 feet, then "point blank". For those of us with experience, it is very difficult to fathom why the shooter would not have seen 8 or 9 other dogs (another discrepancy) and two humans in the immediate vicinity??

The owner is close friends with many activists, and has voiced her opposition to hunting in the past.

The exact area has not been released. The difference here is that two immediately adjacent areas there have differing rules regarding the hunting of wolves. One it was open, the other it was not...

Within but a few short hours after the incident, an EXTREMELY well worded go fund me page was set up (not the type of wording one might expect from a distraught owner). Perhaps someone was waiting in the wings to do this for her, but it does not quite ring true. The main thrusts of the go fund me page are to shut down hunting in that region, and to protect wolves BC wide. Hmmm...

The picture of the dog after it was shot well indicates a side to side through lung placement that literally blew out both lungs. Broadside. This dog was obviously not shot in a defensive move (broadside, not face on) nor could it have been "soothed" while it died. Death was extremely likely instantaneous.

Many more questions than answers...

As one who owns and lives with Wolf Hybrids I do find the matter troubling.
That said, my Fur Kids will never be ranging free in an open hunting area, and in fact if we go there, they are wearing BRIGHT Fluorescent WIDE collars and on a lead. Always. Irresponsible of any owner not to do so, regardless of their dog's "looks". Triply so when the animal so closely resembles a wolf.

We'll be waiting for the CO's & Mounties to release their reports before jumping to any conclusions in this incident, but it does seem something is a little "off" here...

Cheers,
Nog

The Spank · #16 09-20-2017, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Why does this give me a bad name? Can we stop perpetuating this "gives all hunters a bad name" garbage.

Agreed!!

boah · #17 09-20-2017, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dmcbride

Is Coyote season open in that area? I could see someone mistaking that dog for a Coyote.

I wouldn't have mistaken it with a coyote. There is quite a bit of difference.

243 wild cat · #18 09-20-2017, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dakota369

You all are kidding right?

You know it is your responsibility before you pull the trigger at anything including a target to know what you are shooting (including if it is legal) and what you may hit if you miss. The hunter was to blame completely. Regardless of season etc. and from the article it would appear that the dog was in close proximity to the owners as she was able to get too it and soothe it while it passed.

Hopefully this idiot gets a dangerous use of a firearm charge.

I would say the hunter should have had a better look at it before the shot but we don't know the full story sometimes its just a site reaction. But man i would have mistaken it at first too. The working dog was specifically bred to look like a wolf by mixing the Siberian Husky, Alaskan Malamute and German Shepherd breeds and that would call for me to say WOLF! at first site. Regardless the owner is just as to blame for what happend put some thing on that dog that makes it stand out like something you would not shoot! the damn dog looks like a WOLF!

And if it was shot close to the owner you would think maybe going out with a pack of dogs that look like wolves in a hunting area is just careless thoughts you're wrong she is just as much of a idiot

grouse_hunter · #19 09-20-2017, 06:59 PM

I can't see a therapy dog behaving aggressively, especially since it would seem that the dog interacted with new humans on regular basis. The shooter must be in his dotage and unable to see well.

Grizzly Adams · #20 09-20-2017, 08:06 PM

Sad, but dogs running loose do so at their peril. Having said that, guy should have known his target better. Question one, are there likely to be wolves around here ?

Grizz

270person · #21 09-20-2017, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 3blade

Put your ****ing dogs on a leash. Or, if you are hunting with them, put an orange vest on them and keep them under control. It's not complicated. No one else wants anything to do with them, nor can previous dog behavior predict future dog behavior.

At 20 yards it's a defensive shot. Probably why they haven't charged him. No it does not give hunters a bad name.

It most certainly gives THIS hunter/poacher/cretin a bad name. He did everything wrong.

Chewbacca · #22 09-20-2017, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Why does this give me a bad name? Can we stop perpetuating this "gives all hunters a bad name" garbage.

It does start to wear a bit thin.

Chewbacca · #23 09-20-2017, 10:19 PM

Double post

Centralalbertasongdogslay · #24 09-20-2017, 10:33 PM

Guys like that need to have their hunting rights taken for good because I'm sure it is not the first incident he has had, he was clearly out hunting just to kill something and we are already battling the anti's for the our trapping rights and things like this just keep giving them ammunition. I hope the conservation officer seized his rifle and gave him a huge fine to go with losing his hunting rights.

boah · #25 09-20-2017, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Centralalbertasongdogslay

Guys like that need to have their hunting rights taken for good because I'm sure it is not the first incident he has had, he was clearly out hunting just to kill something and we are already battling the anti's for the our trapping rights and things like this just keep giving them ammunition. I hope the conservation officer seized his rifle and gave him a huge fine to go with losing his hunting rights.

Don't all gopher hunters go to kill something???
There is a dog that looks like a wolf out in the bush. If it was legal to shoot in that area, I can see a mistake being made. We are only hearing one side of the story. If everything was done legally, why would the officer seize his rifle and fine him? He can't take away his hunting rights. That's up to a judge I believe.

Pathfinder76 · #26 09-21-2017, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Centralalbertasongdogslay

Guys like that need to have their hunting rights taken for good because I'm sure it is not the first incident he has had, he was clearly out hunting just to kill something and we are already battling the anti's for the our trapping rights and things like this just keep giving them ammunition. I hope the conservation officer seized his rifle and gave him a huge fine to go with losing his hunting rights.

Have you read your handle lately?

elkhunter11 · #27 09-21-2017, 07:12 AM

If the dog was only 10 feet from the handler when it was shot, then the shooter is an idiot for shooting that close to the handler. It's lucky that rhe handler wasn't shot.

Lefty-Canuck · #28 09-21-2017, 07:18 AM

You have a Hunter without a clue and a dog owner without a clue...recipe for disaster.

LC

elkhunter11 · #29 09-21-2017, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

You have a Hunter without a clue and a dog owner without a clue...recipe for disaster.

LC

More like a want to be hunter without a clue.

It's just lucky that the handler wasn't shot, and that the handler wasn't someone that takes offense at having someone firing bullets past him/her at 10 feet or less.

58thecat · #30 09-21-2017, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by st99

I have a husky, every time we leave the city limit we put his hi viz orange back pack on. Things like that are very likely to happen for dogs that looks like coyote or wolf, and are preventable. In this case, the dog owner is to blame.

Agree, I was hunting last year, sitting for a few hours, hear voices walking towards me, ok, stay still and watch, dog comes prancing by, looks like a wolf from distance but up closer it's a Shepard, people stop 100 yards away, turn around and leave....hmmmm must have clued in, thier dog was running around all,through the bush...potential for a bad outcome had I not heard the voices first...bad owners but with today's society it's every else's fault.