WSM recoil question.

[Spartan30-06]

Just wondering how recoil in the short magnums compares to their longer counterparts? Is it the difference even noticeable?

Originally Posted by Spartan30-06

Just wondering how recoil in the short magnums compares to their longer counterparts? Is it the difference even noticeable?

7RM to 7WSM virtually the same
300WM to 300WSM virtually the same
270 Win to 270 WSM WSM has more

[AB2506]

300WSM is about the same, but my Kimber Montana, with scope, is only about 7lbs. Most 300WM would weigh more.

[whitetail Junkie]

Originally Posted by Spartan30-06

Just wondering how recoil in the short magnums compares to their longer counterparts? Is it the difference even noticeable?

I cant Vouch for the 300 Win however....

I have a 300 WSM and a 300 WBY,and trust me you know when your pulling the trigger on the 300 weatherby!!!

My weatherby has mildly cracked a few people in the head(Scope Bite) including myself lol

[tchardy1972]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

7RM to 7WSM virtually the same
300WM to 300WSM virtually the same
270 Win to 270 WSM WSM has more

X2 but the 270 wsm is faster. It is all relative.

[snapshot300]

The 270 wsm would have to be compared to the 270 weatherby because the 270 win is not in the same speed class as the wsm or weatherby. All things considered the wsm cartidges should have less recoil when bullet weight, velocity and gun weight are equal because the powder charges of the wsm cartridges is usually less than their magnum twins.

[Spartan30-06]

Thanks guys.

[Mountain Guy]

short vs. long has little diff.
I'd say powder charge,bullet grain and gun weight has more to do with it.

[Stinky Coyote]

x2 that

i went from a 7 lb scoped .270 to a .270 wsm only a few ounces heavier and the recoil difference was enough that i put a brake on the wsm...i could take the .270 and still stay sub-moa on the 500m gongs etc. but the wsm was super sharp and i know if i try to shoot it without the brake i would need some other sort of remedy like a good soft recoil pad...i tried a limbsaver but they extended lop and didn't fit nicely enough (overhanging edges etc.) that i put my money in a brake instead and love it, feels like something between a .243 and a 25-06...a joy to shoot but no brake and it was the opposite of fun

a good recoil pad a bit heavier rifle though and the .270 wsm would be nice, i shot a rem sps 300 wsm i was ripping tight groups with it and thought it felt a bit less than some 300 win mags i've shot....it was definitely on the edge of what i'd want to shoot and still enjoy it...hope that helps

[Pathfinder76]

A competent gunsmith can install a recoil pad to the correct LOP and grind it to fit properly. Rather economically. For those that are wondering.

[Andrzej]

I can shoot 300 Win Mag, 300 Weath. Mag, 338 Win Mag in Sako 75 SS with no problem but
300 WSM out of Tikka T3 Lite SS is another story.
Shorter fatter round was developed to burn powder faster in wider powder column so it does well and perceived recoil is more of the hard short hit rather than push. With Limbsaver pad is better and not an issue when hunting.
For load developing I've used lead sled type rest and shoulder pad.

Originally Posted by tchardy1972

X2 but the 270 wsm is faster. It is all relative.

Absolutely. All other things being equal, speed and weight of powder charge and bullet are are that really determine actual recoil.

[Lethbridge_1]

Started shooting a Tikka T3 300 WSM last year and the stock pad was not enough. I added a limbsaver recoil pad and now it is perfect, can shoot it all day long and drop any large animal I want.

[Spartan30-06]

Let me explain, I shoot an old M70 30-06 that I love, it was my first gun and fell in love with it, I'm having a mercury recoil reducer installed just to see how much of a diff it makes. Reason being I am a little recoil sensitive but I'd like to shoot something more the the 06, if the recoil reducer makes a considerable difference then I'll consider moving from the 06.

I know the stock makes a big difference but how can I try a stock without buying the rifle? My buddy shoots a 300 Weatherby so I asked to try it. I had a hell of a time finding a comfortable shooting position so I thought it would kick the crap out of me but surprisingly it felt slightly milder than my 06.

[jim-bo]

Recoil has allot of factors, and its really hard to get apples to apples comparisons.

People say that the WSM's will have less recoil or do some random calculation to determine ft/lbs but when its all said and done I can not for the life of me tell the difference between 32 ft/lbs and 35 ft/lbs of recoil.

In my books the will recoil the same (exception given to 270 wsm) as their longer counterparts. They replicate (or attempt to) velocities with similar weighted bullets and shorter barrels.

I think its a sharper recoil, but not by much vs. the long and skinny mags.

powder choice, bullet weight, rifle weight, LOP, recoil pads are all going to change the equation, not to mention the placebo effect (you condition yourself to believe the rifle recoils less than its counterparts because of persuasion, when it may or may not recoil any differently).

If you don't like/can't handle magnums, the WSM's are not the answer.

[surfer16_16]

The only problem with the muzzle brake is the sound....i have several rifles and you sure notice the difference....my 7mm RM w/o the brake is a kitten compared to the 308 w/ the brake...having said that, if recoil is an issue, get a 243...it's good for most game in AB anyway

[whitetailhntr]

I'm not a huge fan of recoil. The thing that seams to make the biggest difference is how the rifle fits and stock design. With a well fitted rifle recoil becomes less of a factor. My ruger .280 remington kicks like a mule. i had the lenght of pull adjusted and a limbsaver pad added and that helped a bunch. My fiancee shots a rem sps in .270 wsm. She can shot it from the bench, 20 to 30 rounds at a time and it doesnt bother her at all....it's all relative to you and how the rifle fits. Good optics and proper eye relief are big factors as well.

[Spartan30-06]

The whole thing of stock fitting is my worry, like I said earlier my buddies 300 Weatherby doesn't "feel" like it fits me but I think it kicks me less than my 06. If I could swap guns with him I'd be a happy guy. I guess I just don't know what a proper fitting stock would feel like although I have had mine checked for LOP and it's just right as far as that goes.
I would never do the muzzle brake, I have a friend with a Browning A-bolt with a Boss in 300 WinMag and although it's very mild I couldn't go to the range with him even with earplugs it makes my ears ring, I had to buy those ear muff types. Only good thing was that when we where hunting I could tell he shot something from miles away.

[savage shooter]

Only good thing was that when we where hunting I could tell he shot something from miles away.

Uh...okay. That doesn't really make a lot of sense. A brake doesn't actually make the gun louder. A brake directs the blast energy and sound back toward the shooter thus 'pulling' the gun forward and reducing recoil. It doesn't actually make the gun any louder....unless you were miles away - and standing directly behind him

It seems that people's expectations really do affect how they perceive things.

[elkhunter11]

The whole thing of stock fitting is my worry, like I said earlier my buddies 300 Weatherby doesn't "feel" like it fits me but I think it kicks me less than my 06. If I could swap guns with him I'd be a happy guy.

Does the Weatherby have a recoil pad?Does your 30-06 have a recoil pad?Is there a difference in weight between the two rifles?

[Spartan30-06]

elkhunter11 they both have recoil pads, the 06 wears a Pachmayr not sure whats on the Weatherby, as far as weight can't say I noticed a difference.

[Spartan30-06]

savage shooter, the miles away comment was a joke, thats why I had the laughing smiley face in there. Sorry for the confusion.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by savage shooter

Uh...okay. That doesn't really make a lot of sense. A brake doesn't actually make the gun louder. A brake directs the blast energy and sound back toward the shooter thus 'pulling' the gun forward and reducing recoil. It doesn't actually make the gun any louder....unless you were miles away - and standing directly behind him

It seems that people's expectations really do affect how they perceive things.

If you sit under a shooting shelter where a brake is being used it sure seems louder, not sure if its louder out in the open or not though.

(don't want to derail the thread by the way)

Lefty

[savage shooter]

^^^....right because the blast is being redirected towards the rear of the firearm. It's not direct straight back, it's an angle. Back and to the sides.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Ah, I am pickin up what you are laying down.

Not actually noisier but the sound is being directed different which makes it seem noisier depending on where you are in relation to the muzzle.

Lefty