BB gun For DEER

[Diesel_wiesel]

I just bought a red ryder BB gun is it good enough for paper target deer ????
or should I get something larger

[michaelmicallef]

Hay, show us some groups. 5 shot groups only. I want to see what that thing can do.

[Flight01]

The lever action red Ryder is a classic brush BB gun. It's range is ok but inside 100 feet it is a very accurate paper deer getter. Likely more paper deer have been shot with a red Ryder than any other. Personally for deer targets I like no smaller than 22 cal Pellet rifle with polymer alloy pellets with higher sectional density. If I'm shooting elk paper targets then a 25 cal pellet is the way to go.

[J0HN_R1]

What's the best BB gun for bear defense ?

[stob]

Does not matter on pellet / BB size. It is all about shot placement. Although some of the paper roe deer from Europa are hard to kill and often take a second shot to prevent a runner

[fps plus]

Only if you use Barnes BB s

[260 Rem]

Originally Posted by Flight01

The lever action red Ryder is a classic brush BB gun. It's range is ok but inside 100 feet it is a very accurate paper deer getter. Likely more paper deer have been shot with a red Ryder than any other. Personally for deer targets I like no smaller than 22 cal Pellet rifle with polymer alloy pellets with higher sectional density. If I'm shooting elk paper targets then a 25 cal pellet is the way to go.

I'd consider stepping up to a Crosman mated with a Nightforce scope. Buy once, cry once. I just can't understand why you would make the purchase without asking our advice first?
Thanks Diesel, I needed a laugh today

[700-223]

Originally Posted by stob

Does not matter on pellet / BB size. It is all about shot placement. Although some of the paper roe deer from Europa are hard to kill and often take a second shot to prevent a runner

This ones my favorite.

[rembo]

Depends on the size of the deer.

Targets made of common 20LB bond office paper (does and spikers) may be fully penetrated with a regular round BB from a Red Ryder. Heavier deer targets made from the likes of 32lb bond paper like the stuff you see greeting cards made from (average bucks) should really be taken with a 22 cal pellet. Larger 160 class WT bucks and large mulies should be stalked with nothing less than a 25 cal pellet.

Hope that clears this up.

[boomstick]

.22 cal. nosler pointed skirted with 56,7 cfm of air22 gives you a great magnum load for paper elk out to 120 ft. we all know you need a magnum to kill alberta paper elk .

[260 Rem]

OP ---not wanting to derail, but you may need to pin the mag on that model as the 1000 shot capacity mags are now prohibited. Personally, I don't see the need for more than a hundred shots anyways.

[Lornce]

Love the older air guns, still have a small collection of air pistols.

[catnthehat]

I don't see why people need a repeater when a nice single shot Slavia would do!
Cat

[260 Rem]

The 5M CHALLENGE
The purpose of this Challenge is to put 5 BB's into a pie plate from a standing off-hand position at 5M ( 5 yds OK for older non- metric shooters).
*five shots only
*no coins on target which could hide a flier
*.177 cal BB only
*no restriction on gun so Daisy, Gamo, Crosman all OK

Here is an example I shot today.

[Don_Parsons]

Not sure if its OK too shoot a BB gun off your back deck as its not a registered and approved range, one might need to contact a CFO or RCMP too find out the rules.

We've been harvesting paper Deer targets for yesrs, and have never lost one of them in 50 years, taken many larger Paper Elk, Moose, and Black Bears too.

All long range shots at -60c with 120 mpr cross winds.

Yuppers, many folks think the Red Ryder BB gun is under powered for this game. But rest assure we've been eating all these paper game targets for years as they fry up tasty.

My plan is too take on dangerous paper game all around the world in the next few years too prove too all the capabilities of this fine cartridge.

Don

PS: awesome thread as I hope too learn much more over the following weeks of other folks harvest.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

I don't see why people need a repeater when a nice single shot Slavia would do!
Cat

Yup got one by the back deck ready to go if a magpie or raven decides to create a ruckus, rifle is 46 years old, got it when I was 5 years old from the old man.

Never had a bob gun but that would be cool too.

[stob]

Originally Posted by Don_Parsons

Not sure if its OK too shoot a BB gun off your back deck as its not a registered and approved range, one might need to contact a CFO or RCMP too find out the rules.

We've been harvesting paper Deer targets for yesrs, and have never lost one of them in 50 years, taken many larger Paper Elk, Moose, and Black Bears too.

All long range shots at -60c with 120 mpr cross winds.

Yuppers, many folks think the Red Ryder BB gun is under powered for this game. But rest assure we've been eating all these paper game targets for years as they fry up tasty.

My plan is too take on dangerous paper game all around the world in the next few years too prove too all the capabilities of this fine cartridge.

Don

PS: awesome thread as I hope too learn much more over the following weeks of other folks harvest.

Ahhhhh! ... Dangerous Game Paper, the Holy Grail of the RR ... I have had great success on charges using monolithic solid BB's

[260 Rem]

Wonder why this deer looks so startled?


What she saw!

[Big Sky]

I've never understood the desire to use a bare minimum caliber.

A bb fired from a Red Ryder may be OK for paper does and small bucks standing broadside. But what if you're faced with shot at a paper bull elk that's standing at a tough angle. There's no way that you should be using a tiny BB. Your minimum for such a shot should be a 22 or even 25 caliber pellet.



I've only taken a shot at a paper bull elk from this angle once. A buddy who was using a bb from a Red Ryder shot the bull but hit him in the shoulder. The "Texas heart shot" was my only option. Thankfully, I was carrying my 22 caliber Slavia that was passed on to me by my grandpappy. God bless his soul. I'm sure that my grandpappy shot reams of paper bull elk with that gun.

[Dean2]

Can anyone suggest a fur friendly BB for my Red Rider? I am so tired of havign to sow up my paper deer targets.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by J0HN_R1

What's the best BB gun for bear defense ?

Ralphie says this one. But don't shoot your eye out.

[fps plus]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

Wonder why this deer looks so startled?


What she saw!

Deer love Fresca! Baiting not allowed in Alberta

[6mm rem]

Do the copper coated BB's have a higher ballistic coefficient than the plain steel ones?

[mgvande]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

The 5M CHALLENGE
The purpose of this Challenge is to put 5 BB's into a pie plate from a standing off-hand position at 5M ( 5 yds OK for older non- metric shooters).
*five shots only
*no coins on target which could hide a flier
*.177 cal BB only
*no restriction on gun so Daisy, Gamo, Crosman all OK

Here is an example I shot today.

Pretty loose group if you ask me

[260 Rem]

mgvande - Just a fun CHALLENGE, not a competition. That is only a 7" plate. Do you think I am having an issue with parallax?

[Don_Parsons]

Originally Posted by 6mm rem

Do the copper coated BB's have a higher ballistic coefficient than the plain steel ones?

Yes, one might be wize too select the BB that is best suited for different kinds of big paper game critters.

Folk from the old days found the gravel worked good at close range, but the expansion was awful as it would turn into dust if it hits a paper shoulder bone.

In the 17's folks started too use lead bird shot, but as we found out many yesrs later that most big game paper targets came in wood fibre or rice paper from China, so it was way over kill.

So 250 years later someone dropped a copper neck-lace on the floor and "be dammed if one of those little copper pellets didn't end up falling into the barrel of a BB gun.

The only way too get it out was too jack the lever and pull the trigger.
This was by incident that a paper Deer target was blowing across the field as the shooter was not paying attention.

It is said that this was the first ever big game Deer target ever taken with a BB gun.

Funny how a simple mistake like a broken copper neck-lace started a trend of millions of Canadians, America's and folks all around the world that have been taking big game paper targets of all kinds.

One will never know how many paper critters have been taken to date, but we can guess that its in the billions. LOL

We're lucky in todays age as we have a massive selection of ammo to choose from, and if we get it right, a BB gun can fill most paper game tags easy.

IMO only that is.

Don

[58thecat]

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She an oldy but a goody

[Bigwoodsman]

I've got a 230 typical white-tail paper target rolled up in the basement somewhere. Harvested with a Canadian tire air rifle cambered in .177.

BW

[mgvande]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

mgvande - Just a fun CHALLENGE, not a competition. That is only a 7" plate. Do you think I am having an issue with parallax?

Perhaps I spoke too soon. I will answer the challenge. I will post results. What about like your other challenges 5 meter 5 loony sized dots or is it ten as per your other challenges?
I will break out the daughters 'muzzleloader' BB gun.
Parallax could be an issue. You should try one of those sightron scopes I have been hearing so much about

[mgvande]

These red Ryder's hold like 600 odd Bbs. They are a high capacity ultra scary weapon. Don't let Selfie the Clown find out about these.