Gun trouble

huntin · #1 07-16-2012, 08:24 AM

So say a guy gets into trouble and is forced to hand in his guns when he gets home from work. Now that the lgr is dead the police don't know what he has is it illegal for me to take advantage of a few good deals. Im sure it. Is but really the police are just going to destroy these rifles any how and that should be a crime in its own.

Guitarplayingfish · #2 07-16-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by huntin

So say a guy gets into trouble and is forced to hand in his guns when he gets home from work. Now that the lgr is dead the police don't know what he has is it illegal for me to take advantage of a few good deals. Im sure it. Is but really the police are just going to destroy these rifles any how and that should be a crime in its own.

huntin · #3 07-16-2012, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Guitarplayingfish

... So what your saying is you are prohibited from carrying firearms, but you plan on picking some up anyway now that the cops confiscated what you had?..

Probably not the smartest thing to do..

Not what I'm saying at all but I know a guy who may lose all his guns and will sell them at a sweet price.

Trust me I'll never give them a reason to take my guns.

Guitarplayingfish · #4 07-16-2012, 08:34 AM

Oh I understand... Buddy has to get rid of guns regardless.. you want to buy em cheap.... Not sure man!..

sikwhiskey · #5 07-16-2012, 08:46 AM

Go ahead and buy them, or your buddy could hand them over to anyone with a PAL and they could sell them for him. Personally, I wouldn't hand in any firearm, just hand them over to a friend or spouse with a valid PAL.

huntin · #6 07-16-2012, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sikwhiskey

Go ahead and buy them, or your buddy could hand them over to anyone with a PAL and they could sell them for him. Personally, I wouldn't hand in any firearm, just hand them over to a friend or spouse with a valid PAL.

Even if he has been already been ordered to hand them in when he gets on days off.

Unregistered user · #7 07-16-2012, 09:21 AM

Ask the NFA.

sikwhiskey · #8 07-16-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by huntin

Even if he has been already been ordered to hand them in when he gets on days off.

Hand "WHAT" in? How does the police know he has any firearms? Sorry Officer, they've all be sold or given to valid PAL holders.....

Bound2Fish · #9 07-16-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sikwhiskey

Hand "WHAT" in? How does the police know he has any firearms? Sorry Officer, they've all be sold or given to valid PAL holders.....

Exactly, the records of the firearms he previously owned are no longer valid and those firearms have been sold along time ago. Enjoy your new firearms and let me know if he wants to sell any others.

Donkey Oatey · #10 07-16-2012, 09:36 AM

Not sure I would want to get in to that kind of a situation. Might be legal, might not. But if buddy tells them that he sold to you seems to me you would be visited and interviewed and inspected.

Not sure it would be worth the hassle. Have buddy talk to the police about selling them to you. Be above board and could keep yourself out of a possible jam since you knew he was to surrender the firearms.

Big Daddy Badger · #11 07-16-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Donkey Oatey

Not sure I would want to get in to that kind of a situation. Might be legal, might not. But if buddy tells them that he sold to you seems to me you would be visited and interviewed and inspected.

Not sure it would be worth the hassle. Have buddy talk to the police about selling them to you. Be above board and could keep yourself out of a possible jam since you knew he was to surrender the firearms.

Yup sounds like it might be a bit dodgy.

Who ordered it... police... courts...civil or criminal?
Why?
Did someone tell them he has firearms or are they guessing?

Are they to be held in trust, destroyed or are they potential evidence?

I'd do some leg work and have a wag with whoever ordered that to see if it is OK first.

No point in getting in dutch over someone elses firearms and risking your own.

Lefty-Canuck · #12 07-16-2012, 05:46 PM

I want to know what the guy did in order to get the firearms taken away....I would also be calling the RCMP/CFC to see if they were stolen or something....you wouldn't want to get nailed for possession of stolen property.

LC

AMisler · #13 07-16-2012, 06:10 PM

Well if one were to make a video of themselves leaning on an atv, while 'hunting' elk..and post it on youtube, I could see the police wanted you to turn in your guns..

Sorry edit : not saying your friend isn't a bad guy or dumb enough to do that!

silver · #14 07-16-2012, 06:12 PM

If this person is no longer allowed to possess a firearm, If the choice is between the constabulary taking them or a friend picking them up, by all means buy them. If I were in this position, I would give my friend the first chance to buy them back at the price I paid.

Mekanik · #15 07-16-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

I want to know what the guy did in order to get the firearms taken away....I would also be calling the RCMP/CFC to see if they were stolen or something....you wouldn't want to get nailed for possession of stolen property.

LC

This is about the most honest and safe way to keep yourself out of trouble and providing the CFO's and RC's from potentially taking your firearms with his.

The downside is though, if you ask, they may have reason to speed up the seizure if there is a problem. They also may question you about allowing him to "borrow" his old guns and potentially use you to evade a court order or a restriction which will put YOU under the microscope as well.

This is not a game I would be playing, either him or you. We all joke about, "sorry officer, I sold all my guns" but the reality is, if they have suspicion or reason, they can make your life pretty miserable in many ways. I'd be talking honestly and openly with the case officer in this instance and not try and stir the water just so he can have a fire sale.

My two cents.

Redfrog · #16 07-16-2012, 08:03 PM

Smells skunky to me. The cops want him to surrender his firearms and he can do it at his leisure when he gets off shift??????

Why do they want his guns and how do they know he has any?

Elkhunt · #17 07-16-2012, 08:49 PM

Elkhunt · #18 07-16-2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Elkhunt

If your friend committed a criminal act with any of the guns, it would have been seized immediately. If he is deemed to be a dangerous kind of person who would use a gun for criminal purposes, the police would likely ask for a court order to seize the guns immediately. In no circumstances can I see a reason to "give up his guns" that doesn't warrant immediate seizure. I certainly could be wrong. I would ask to see the court order requiring that he give up his guns because there would be some kind of a written order.

Something is not adding up here...I agree it smells skunky?

Big Daddy Badger · #19 07-16-2012, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AMisler

Well if one were to make a video of themselves leaning on an atv, while 'hunting' elk..and post it on youtube, I could see the police wanted you to turn in your guns..

Sorry edit : not saying your friend isn't a bad guy or dumb enough to do that!

Hmmmmm.

What an odd out of the blue comment.

I'm thinking you know something the rest of us don't...or didn't.

Metalmike123 · #20 07-16-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pesky672

Hmmmmm.

What an odd out of the blue comment.

I'm thinking you know something the rest of us don't...or didn't.

YouTube "Saskatchewan elk hunting george7875"

Big Daddy Badger · #21 07-16-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Metalmike123

YouTube "Saskatchewan elk hunting george7875"

That explains a lot.

Metalmike123 · #22 07-16-2012, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pesky672

That explains a lot.

Youre welcome.

Big Daddy Badger · #23 07-16-2012, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Metalmike123

Youre welcome.

Yes...thank you.

huntin · #24 07-17-2012, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Elkhunt

If your friend committed a criminal act with any of the guns, it would have been seized immediately. If he is deemed to be a dangerous kind of person who would use a gun for criminal purposes, the police would likely ask for a court order to seize the guns immediately. In no circumstances can I see a reason to "give up his guns" that doesn't warrant immediate seizure. I certainly could be wrong. I would ask to see the court order requiring that he give up his guns because there would be some kind of a written order.

Something is not adding up here...I agree it smells skunky?

I refuse to discuss the details on here but he was caught with a 5/30 shot clip. And the pin was busted.

bigdeal · #25 07-17-2012, 05:52 AM

Didn't you mention on here about six months ago that you were just storing your firearms at your buddy's place till you bought another gun cabinet?
I would go get them back before he gets confused and hands them in.

huntin · #26 07-17-2012, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdeal

Didn't you mention on here about six months ago that you were just storing your firearms at your buddy's place till you bought another gun cabinet?
I would go get them back before he gets confused and hands them in.

sikwhiskey · #27 07-17-2012, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by huntin

I refuse to discuss the details on here but he was caught with a 5/30 shot clip. And the pin was busted.

So did they revoke his PAL? Why did the RCMP demand he turn in his firearms?
If you trust that the firearms are not stolen, and you have a PAL, buy all means, take possession of them......or let the RCMP melt them down.

Lefty-Canuck · #28 07-17-2012, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by huntin

I refuse to discuss the details on here but he was caught with a 5/30 shot clip. And the pin was busted.

Yah not being able to count is an affliction that can get you trouble.

LC

Matt L. · #29 07-17-2012, 08:18 AM

So, if you're caught with a mag with a bust pin, whether you broke it or not, the cops will take your guns? Seems a little excessive no?

sikwhiskey · #30 07-17-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt L.

So, if you're caught with a mag with a bust pin, whether you broke it or not, the cops will take your guns? Seems a little excessive no?

Mags that hold more than 5rnds are very, very bad and evil. People in Quebec and Ontario start having nightmares and heart failure while sleeping, at the thought of how many people that magazine is going to kill