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The 6.5x55, 7mm-08, 280, 30-06, 338 Federal are great calibers. Slower than faster cartridges in the same calibers means penetration is beyond their bigger brothers. Penetration IMO is the best way to decide how lethal a cartridge is. You hear guys say that the bullet exploded on impact and the animal got away, but you rarely hear of a pass through getting away on a decent shot. So if the best penetration occurs at the speed at which the bullet becomes plastic and deforms, which can be 1800 fps then this begs the question, if these same cartridges launch a bullet at 2800 fps with a decent BC out to 400 yards why do you need a magnum. Shooting anything with larger powder capacity seems excessive at the expense of recoil, cost, muzzle blast, sound and cost. It must make up for a lack of something, so what is it that you magnum guys lack? Is it brains, braun, or the third leg. 
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12-09-2010, 07:49 PM
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Give it up Traps!
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The 6.5x55, 7mm-08, 280, 30-06, 338 Federal are great calibers.
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Actually they aren't calibers,they are cartridge designations. 
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12-09-2010, 07:55 PM
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more powder, bigger boom,excessive noise................2 bucks a shot hell ya!! I got 4 of them!! Go big or go home that's how I roll!! LOL each to there own  
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12-09-2010, 07:57 PM
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Traps, everytime you type something on this forum you illustrate that you know nothing about everything and everything about nothing. 
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When I started shooting magnums I also started buying Premium bullets and still do to this day. IMO if you want to shoot projectiles over 2800fps then you should buy a premium bullet that your particular firearm shoots well. But Traps , what about the 270/25-06/280rem that can shoot bullets well over 2800fps. What would you recommend????????? 
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i love this post !!!!!!!!!!
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12-09-2010, 08:28 PM
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So get a thutty-thutty.
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Less velocity means more penetration. It's a proven fact. Just the other day I dropped a 7mm bullet in my reloading room and it went right through the core of the earth. It's true.
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Dude, I already said the 270 wsm is the best.
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So get a thutty-thutty.
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hey now....
no pickin on the 30/30 !
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12-09-2010, 10:11 PM
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Penetration IMO is the best way to decide how lethal a cartridge is. :
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I'm sorry to inform you...
Your oppinion is wrong.
As you were gentleman.
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Arnnarn, each to their own.
Redranger you shoot what you like, good on you.
Chuck you've got your signature response.
Sheep at 9000+ posts, how could you resist?
Leo shoot heavy for caliber, that means the 25-06 gets turfed.
whitetailhtr - young grasshopper you'll learn one day.
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amen.
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I agree with Traps but that may have more to do with age and expirance I've owned mags and non mags. 250 sav. 270win. are the ones I liked the most both killed a lot of game so now I looking to find some thing right between the 2 and I hope it is 6.5x55 as I"m going to build alight sporter in that. also I have noticed that for every big guy that carrys a magnum there is 10 smaller guys carrying mags.older likes less recoil.
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less velocity means more penetration. It's a proven fact. Just the other day i dropped a 7mm bullet in my reloading room and it went right through the core of the earth. It's true. |
lol!
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Arnnarn, each to their own.
Redranger you shoot what you like, good on you.
Chuck you've got your signature response.
Sheep at 9000+ posts, how could you resist?
Leo shoot heavy for caliber, that means the 25-06 gets turfed.
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I'm sure I'll regret this but here goes! Do you mean to say thay a 25-06 with a premium bullet weighing more than 100gr's will offer inadequte penetration? IMO penetration is dictated by 2 primary occurances . Velocity and construction of the projectile. everything else is secondary. Use a cheap bullet and push it to 3000fps from the muzzle and it is a crap shoot as to how well it will penetrate. The premium slug changes the equation to greater penetration . A 25-06 with a 100gr TSX will likely penetrate the equivalent of a 300 mag with a power point. But that doesn't mean that a 300mag isn't a usefull cartridge(which is why I have 3 at present and have retired 3). 
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Penetration has more to do with bullet design and density and the thickness of the skin & bulk of the animal. Speed has more to do with hypervelemic shock(the column of pressure following the bullet.)
If the base of the bullet holds together well and the forward portion expands evenly in a controlled way you have better penetration. In general the heavier the bullet combined with the above the better the penetration. The impact density ,the skin of the animal, starts the expansion process. Thin skined animals like whitetail deer generally require less energy to penetrate than say a thick skinned animal like a moose.
Hypervalemic shock increases the tissue damage. The faster the bullet the greater the column of shock following penetration and usually the greater the tissue damage.
Just my pennies worth
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Would you be meaning "Hypovolemic" shock?
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why do guys start pointless threads like this. Each to their own. the world would be pretty boring if we all followed traps guideline to shooting. I guess my 270 wsm is a little much for deer hunting then.LOL come on 
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Less velocity means more penetration. It's a proven fact. Just the other day I dropped a 7mm bullet in my reloading room and it went right through the core of the earth. It's true. |
Simple way to get geothermal heating in the house. 
I actually tossed one to a buddy who was watching me do some reloading and it ripped right through his hand. Good thing I threw it to him fairly hard or it might have went through his chest as well and killed him.
A guy really has to be careful with these things!
It's true.
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Leo shoot heavy for caliber, that means the 25-06 gets turfed.
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Please expound.
Are you saying that the 25-06 is not in the same category as the ones that you originally posted?
I have been seriously looking into a 25-06 for the past year or two and would appreciate any and all viewpoints.
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I have been seriously looking into a 25-06 for the past year or two and would appreciate any and all viewpoints.
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Buy one. It kills sh!t dead.
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Buy one. It kills sh!t dead.
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That sounds like the Frank's Red Hot commercial - "I put that sh!T on everything!" And ya you could use that 25/06 on everything.
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Buy one. It kills sh!t dead.
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Please expound.
Are you saying that the 25-06 is not in the same category as the ones that you originally posted?
I have been seriously looking into a 25-06 for the past year or two and would appreciate any and all viewpoints.
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This is Traps post . Stearing it away to viewpoints on the 25-06 would seem to me to be a highjack of his post. Perhaps we should get back to traps post and if we wnat to discuss the 25-06 a new post would be appropriate
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