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Old 07-28-2016, 10:17 PM
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Its been 40 years in the makings as I get ready to thin the heard as I find 1 too gett'er done.

Old school I guess as my first new rifle 40 years ago was an 06,,, "Midland" of all things that cost me $170 buck-a-roos, Ha. Dam thing shoot 1 1/2" groups for many years.

It didn't take long for me too continue the spending spree over the next few years as I bought and sold multy 100's of rifles, but I always had my fav's like most of us on the Out-Doors-Man (Women) forum. These are the fire-arms we use the most for hunting & target shooting...

My top picks over the years were 22 varmint, 6mm, 243, 7X57, 308, 270, 30-06, 7mm, 300 win & weatherby, 338, 375 H&H for a short stint too.

I've been doing lots of reading over the last year on which way too go, plan was too jump onto the 7mm-08 band wagon, or 270 that has done me well over the 32 years.

So why the change up too the 30-06, and what model would I choose, bullet selection & optics !

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The change up is 1 rifle for all since time has come to scale back,,, ok,,, 3 rifles really. 22 goffer getter, black powder 50 wad chucker, and a 06.

The 06 will fill my target shooting days, light game getter & hog-down on the thick skin Elk & Moose,,, easy for a fire-arm like this too bring them down in the 40 too 150 yard range. "Still able too work out at further distance if needed.

The old school 30-06 can be loaded too my liken's depending on how I want too address targets & game harvesting,,, much like many other fire arms out there.
The 06 fits my bill since much of the reload stuff I need is pretty much free since pals have end-less stock too pick from. Bullets, powder, primers, cases, and loading dies,,, I guess the plan is too keep it simple for the remaining years ahead.

I've had many a brands of fire-arms over the years, but Remmy mid quality has done me well,,, I'll epoxy bed my self, retune trigger, order the 24" custom barrel, add thick tine at same time, and hand too bench tune stock for my fit. "All old school stuff for me."

Bullets:
The nice about re-loading is choosing the bullets that work for me.
Frugal Winchester bullets for normal target shooting since a person can order 2000 in a lot.

Sierra for the long range stuff, and Speer/ Hornady for game harvest.

Optics:
I never sell my scopes, the 2 favs I have are Leopold 3X9 & 4.5X40, quick change mounts too switch when needed. Life time warranty has more then paid for its self on both these scopes over the many years, Ha.

So,,, the task at choosing a rifle too fill my needs took a while, and I'm glad my pal pointed me in this direction too find what I needed too do.

More too follow as game plan falls into place.

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Old 07-29-2016, 04:04 PM
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Nice relaxing day looking at many fire-arms & calibers, but having my home work in place saved me lots of time !

Old School Remmy is a go, and the handler has lots of 24" units in stock. SPS with normal steel barrel to get started as it will get changed out in the winter when I go South.

Very lucky too know shooters down there and many around the globe, game harvesters that is.

Arizona and Colorado folks are awesome since they have the milling tools on hand to line things up,,, way past my know how.

Each of us fit a catagory a mile long and 1" deep, but along the spread is blipps of areas that take us a mile deep with in the inch,,, the passion of where we want too spend most of our time is different then the next. "That way each can spec their know-who with others that "choose" to par-take in the path that best suits them,,, mine is hunter gather & fun target shooting.

More time relaxing and drinking coffee under the shade roof luanching 1 round at a time,,, lots of free hand once sighted in.

Next few weeks will paly out in my "Less is More" program that frees me up to enjoy the lesser things I have.

Pal Don living the dream. LOL
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Old 07-29-2016, 04:55 PM
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We'll good luck and have fun,,,

Geez ! I sure hope you don't get arrested for being TOO sensible,,,
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Old 07-29-2016, 06:05 PM
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Thanks Elkdump. Its hard too use my noodle at times, Ha.

I hate too over spend on side kick hobby's since my main focus is travel,,, more of America/ Canada & USA. When I get too where I'm going I spend countless days in the back country some where no where.

Got rid of the holiday trailer/ camping rigs 15 years ago, been living in the back seat of pick-up trucks for 15 ish years since they burn nill on fuel packing quad or dual-sport bike.

Just returned from a 1 year stint across all of Canada and 36 USA states,,, cost next too nothing as I did grocery store meals, parked at Wal-Mart's, Casino's, and Mac D's for free. Did coast too coast 2 X's on that outing.

Any-Who, this is what I was looking at today.


Simple rifle too fill the needs, easy to mod most of it in shop and farm out the tech stuff too pals that do this stuff.

Very lucky too have friends that have the ammunition as it will take many cups of coffee to get back too the grove of things.

Sure glad I found this forum as the little tips here and there will get me up to speed much faster.

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Old 07-30-2016, 01:36 AM
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I dunno, I'd rather own a BDL myself and just keep oil on it. Or a 7600 carbine since we're on the topic of Remmies. Never seen the point of a 24" barrel on most standard calibers, 22" is plenty on an 06 and for my style of hunting shorter is better.

BTW Pal Don, you sound an awful lot like a guy on ADS.
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Old 07-30-2016, 07:56 AM
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Many people don't like to admit that the old "06" is pretty hard to beat! It's certainly not perfect by any means but it generally gets the job done.
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Old 07-30-2016, 08:48 AM
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The 30'06 is 110 years old.
It still makes everyone's published list of best for cartridges in North America.
So what makes it so venerable, and versatile?

Recoil: the average hunter or shooter is comfortable with recoil energies at or not exceeding 20 ft lbs. the 30'06 delivers pretty much spot on 20 ft lbs of recoil from a 8 lb rifle shooting 180 grain bullets. So that makes it very controllable for the vast majority of those who choose to pull the trigger.

Trajectory: all the twisty is turney scope adjustments aside let's talk maximum point blank range(MPBR) for a 8" target for a minute. Shooting a typical 180 grain pointed bullet out of a 30'06 at a published 2700fps, typical set up for optics etc. If you sight in a touch over 3" high at 100 yards, you'll be around 4" low at 300 yards. Since the average game harvest distance here in Alberta is even still south of 200 yards, your more than capable with 180's in the old '06, even a bit farther if you choose lighter bullets like a 165grain.

Terminal Performance: the rule of 2800fps treats the 30'06 well. Conventionally designed cup and core bullets exhibit outstanding on game performance when they are kept at or below the 2800fps threshold for muzzle velocity. Published muzzle velocities for 180 and 165 grain loadings in the 30'06 are at or below this value. Therefore predictable and reliable on game performance occurs even with non gucchi bullets.

Heavy for caliber or the Keith camp of thinking: good old Elmer still gets mention here. He was a proponent of heavier for caliber bullets in an era of un complicated bullet design. Why? Because it worked that's why. Even Mr. O'Conner himself liked the .280 over the .270 because of more reliable bullet performance due to greater bullet weights. Reasonable bullet mass driven at moderate velocities, results in filled tags, even with un gucchi bullets.


So in conclusion.the 30'06 remains a versatile and capable cartridge because it doesn't kick the stuffings outta you, while providing a flat enough trajectory that most people don't have to overthink, all the while driving heavy enough bullets within acceptable speeds, to give reliable on game performance even from boring old style bullets.
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Old 07-30-2016, 08:58 AM
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Wow you sure lead a life a lot different then most on this forum, awesome and unique, your choice of rifle and calibre looks good but I would go to the BDL if looking for a 30-06 rifle, sight it in with the iron sights first with your chosen bullet, stick a scope on then and resight in, reason why is because it sounds like your life style the rifle might get a good wack on the scope if so you can always remove it and use the iron sights that have already been dialled in.
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Old 07-30-2016, 09:19 AM
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Bingo 284, there are 1000's of good write-ups on the 30-06,,, and many other fine calibers out there. Ha dam auto correct is not working.

I finished up years back with the mighty 308 mid weight rifle that done me good, yet for some reason I found my self loading too max too get the exrta punch out of it on the thick-skins, so this is where the 06 comes in.

"They say" it packs an extra 150 ft-sec in the larger bullets, and ruffly a few ft-per-second with longer barrle, the remmy's I looked at were mostly in the 22" , but they have the 24" & 26" in stock too.

The SPS stain-less is very light, so adding the extra inches will tame it down a fraction. "Not by much", but every bit helps on the middle age body parts, Ha. I ain't getting any younger.

So I get a bit more fight from bullets out of it from the 08 days.
Don't have too load max too either.
The cases go threw the re-loading dies so smooth.
By not over loading/ streching brass like the full chage 308 will save time and energy on my arm, Ha.

Like I mentioned above is that I realy liked the 243, 270, 308, and 30-06 for all my uses over the years, and all have done me gooder too.

This re-turn to the 06 fits the bill for me hands down as it fills all the catagory's of light to mid weight game,,, "odd time a heavy weight", and will allow me to plink at the range with out burning ton's of powder, and wearing down the body.

Put the thunder onto the critters when needed, and load down for the relaxing days.

If I get it right, I won't have to adjust the optics too much, LOL. No big deal since its all in the sport of good times and fun.

Pal Don who is a ADS dude with many pals over there. Always a good guy, Ha.
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Old 07-30-2016, 09:27 AM
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I was '06less for a period of time(except my M1 Garand) now I'm running 2.

One is a lovely Zastava lefthand.
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=262679

The other is a cut down 7600 Remington.
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=289558
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Old 07-30-2016, 09:46 AM
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The thing that got me onto the Odd-6 was this reading from the US Army Core of shooters.

The 30-06 came all ways in development in the M-1 Gradde days, and some how it ended up getting punted when the 7.62/ 308 came out.

Many country's around the world took on this new cartrage that was lighter in re-coil, smaller more compact rifle in 308, and could do "most" every thing the 30-06 could do,,, but when it come too long range the Odd-06 became the sniper rifle at the time.

It was soon replaced by the big magnums at the end. At home here in America the Odd-6 became a hunting rifle, better bullets, advanced powders, better styling in gun stocks, and added scopes for the general public that jumped on board. "Some folks" remained with iron sights for bush hunting and could take out Moose with the 180 or 200gr easy. Up close or at distance the Odd-6 filled that gap.

Bigger better, fast started too take over, and the 270 cal was selling like hot cakes across America,,, but some how the Odd-6 plugged along to where we are at today...

The old school cartrage made the target shooting papers for many years as it faded away, today it is hardly mentioned since other bullets filled that gap,,, but sure enought the little train that could is making head way since todays powders, primers, cases and bullet selection allows each person too load for their needs,,, this can be done on all calibers too.

There will be a good story too tell when pictures of good times show up on this forum about the simple old school that has been here for years.

By that time I should have my buto correter fix-ed-er-ed. Ha.

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Old 07-30-2016, 10:11 AM
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The '06 is a relatively moderately loaded cartridge with a SAAMI Max pressure of 50K CUP

The 308/7.62NATO operates at 52K CUP.

That narrows the performance gap quite a bit.

As for the '06 being the sniper round back in the day, that probably had more to do with available rifles and loadings, more than cartridge capabilities.

To say the 30'06 is so much more than the .308 is a misnomer extrodinaire.
There ain't but a hill of beans difference between the two. Not that any average hunter/shooter would ever be able to extract any difference, nor as any game animal would ever know the difference either.

As to a couple inches extra barrel length, you'll get maybe 50-75 fps more from either cartridge from 2" more pipe. And that there is a true pittance especially if you'll see a resultant drop in velocity of at least that much in a 30 degree celcius change in ambiant temperature anyways( even with supposed temp sensitive powders), and you'll probably see half that difference consumed in variations in velocity even in similar conditions.

But if it makes you feel better and subsequently sleep sounder at night.... Rock on!
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Old 07-30-2016, 10:21 AM
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I can't go back to the 30-06 because I have never owned one. However, I can only wonder how popular the 30-06 would be if it hadn't been chosen as the issue cartridge for the US military for two world wars. The availability of surplus rifles and ammunition, was the largest factor in the 30-06 becoming so popular in the USA, just as it was for the 303 in Canada.
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I can't go back to the 30-06 because I have never owned one. However, I can only wonder how popular the 30-06 would be if it hadn't been chosen as the issue cartridge for the US military for two world wars. The availability of surplus rifles and ammunition, was the largest factor in the 30-06 becoming so popular in the USA, just as it was for the 303 in Canada.
Which really says something for the 270 WCF.
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Old 07-30-2016, 01:27 PM
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All good points as above.

I would only guess that the Odd-6 ended up as a sniper unit becuase of the weigth of the darn things back then, Ha.

The 7.62's that were issued at the time were a few llbs lighter for troops who we're watch the over all weight they could pack, the new rifles were a bit short too if I recall. "All just a guess as I did not pay close atention too them. I had 2 M1 Grande's years ago in 30-06, and one had too go since it was well worn down in stock as well as riffling. Super fun to shoot since a box of ammo was $3.56 if I recall,,, surplus military left overs.

I'd buy them by the lot or pallit whole sale from the States.

Any-who,,, the 308 & Odd-6 are close as mentioned, and a furry critter would not know the differnce when meeting up with the 165 too 200gr.

My last Remmy medium heavy barrle was a 308 that was so smooth too shoot at distance, and I ran mostly 150's until large game season when I'd switch over to 180's or 200's,,, was always packing the 200 round nose as first round in the bush since it would flatten out the furry critters with sharp claws & teeth at close range to limited distance. "Still have a box of them left over some where".

That 308 is long sold off 13 years ago, and I darn near jumped on the 7mm-08 or 308 band wagon again, but some how my mid night dreams lead me back too the 06. Not 100% sure why, but it must of had something to do with the case size.

Another idea was the 7mm mag, but I owned 20 different mags over the years, so that part of the adventure is long past,,, 300 Weathery knocked down some nice size critters at distance. Then when I got back into Archery I found my self up close like never before,,, so I took what I learned with bow & arrow and applied it too rifle with real good luck.

Now looking back over the 40 ish years I see that mose of the knock downs were between 40 and 140 yards. "Most" in the 87 yard range too be exact.

It wasn't till I joined the local firing range that I was soone hooked on target shooting,,, not pro type stuff like the other,,, more of the fun plinking stuff out West along the foot hills.

At one time target shooting was all I did, so the furry critter harvest idea was put on hold. Pal's have been feeding me all kinds of wild game cuts that brought me around that I enjoy jerrky, specail sausages and other fine cuts. Bb# Moose is always a meal.

Couger roasts are like butter when done up right.

So main idea is fun target plink and harvest what citters allow me to bring home, clean harvest yes, not a clear shot pass... No need for me too bring home when there is all ways the next day or week when things work out.

I had no luck with the horns, "very much", so I became a meat eatt'er in-stead,Ha.

Buy and fill the tag if it works out, if not,,, the funds are well spent on the enjoy-ment of hangging out at the lakes rocks and trees.

Simple activity since I booted TV a few years back.

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Old 07-30-2016, 07:09 PM
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I have several 30 06 no 308. They are not really equivilent sure you can give a 308 a one in 10 twist but theres not really enough powder to use it. Our european betters at anschutz believe in the 30 06 its the only big game calibre they make on their site anyway. You could shoot a 7 mm bullet out of a 308 and it would almost be a 30 06 or you could tell yourself that anyway. Recoil is a drawback i admit.
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Old 07-30-2016, 10:07 PM
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A good protion of this 30-06 will live a life of soft loads when target shooting, the only time it will see hammer rounds will be during harvest season.

The 147/150 gr won't have much zip as I'll most likely be loading to the 308 lesser factory spec.

Re-coil won't be drastic as the rifle will get the softer butt pad, I normally have an extra pad when plinking.

Did more sight seeing at dealers today checking prices, so by'ed-ing my time will pay off.

Seen 2 Remmy Long ranges with 26" mid weight barrles that are not over cost.
Looks like they come in 25-06, 270 I think, 30-06, and 7mm...

They are a-lot like the mid barrle 243/ 308 remmy with the 20" barrles.

Only time will tell what plays out in the next few weeks as 30-06 plan falls into place.

Who knows, maybe the BDL 700 could end up finding its way too my door step.

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I have a Winchester 70 30-06 that I bought used when I was 19 years old and it served me well for more than 35 years. Shot many a moose with it and have lots of stories to go with it as well. A few years ago, I bought a Sako 85, 300 wsm. It is stainless steel, synthetic stock with a Leupold VX-3, 4.5-14X scope. Nice rifle that is lighter, shoots faster, flatter and is even a bit more accurate and precise than my Winchester. At the same time, I don't trust it as much so I keep my 06 close by just in case, and I make sure it is ready to go should I need it. I haven't needed the Winchester yet, going on 4 years. I have to admit, the Sako is super reliable, so far....but I just can't leave my 06 at home and that is the way it is.
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I hear yha Dale, my middle age pal bought a new 308 auto Remmy back in 1967, then picked up his 700 BDL 30-06 a short time after that. He will own both of them till the end game,,, his fav is the Odd-6 for Moose mostly, and other game as well.

An idea came too me many years ago when re-loading rounds for many different calibuers, might of been that I had too many on the go, Ha.

I needed to thin out the workings back then, so I picked 22, 243, 308, 300 mag.

Those fire arms I choose coved all the critters I need to harvest, some how Black powder and bow ended up in my hands too.

I could of picked 17, 257, 30-06, 338 or 223, 260, 7mm mag, and 375 H&H.

Having 100's of fire arms at the time give me many paths too choos from, but it was too much for my needs, I thined house and picked what I picked.

This round will be 22, 30-06, Smoke pole, and bow.
That's lots for my plinking stuff.

PS: When Less is more sets in, one feels free'er and less stress of too much going on. Less toys, vehicals, tractors, cows, sleds, and quads... We as humans some times gather too much. "Nothing wrong with that either if it floats your boat".

Just not now that the years have passed and other ideas come along to spend my time. Lone wolf travel, a couple of trucks, 2 rubber tire units for back woods, part time fishing & game harvest,,, and lots of coffee deep in the back woods by a big tree of shade along a running creek or lake where I can rest the day away...

I'm on my 100th + outing since Jan 2016 across Alberta and BC, so I need too up the game plan 7 X's if I'm going too catch my normal record, Ha.

When they came out with the story alone in the wild, I soon realized this is where I best fit into "my" grove.

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Should throw in a good pump shotgun into the mix.
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Thought about that Shot gun idea, but too late now at this stage of the game, Ha.

I've got lots of cross Canada/ USA trips line up as long as things work out,,, and it will since travel to taller Mountains and flat lands is now my quest.

Going south will be the Odd-6, truck with quad or motorcycle in the box. Little pick-up with asperated 6 piston is dam good on gas.

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I can't go back to the 30-06 because I have never owned one. However, I can only wonder how popular the 30-06 would be if it hadn't been chosen as the issue cartridge for the US military for two world wars. The availability of surplus rifles and ammunition, was the largest factor in the 30-06 becoming so popular in the USA, just as it was for the 303 in Canada.
That being said, most of the more popular calibers have ballistics in the neighborhood of the 06, regardless of military heritage or not. Personally I prefer the .270, but freely admit that in the real world the difference doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Pretty much anything in that 7-08 to 30-06 range will get the job done while maintaining recoil levels that most people can tolerate and shoot well. 06, .308, 280, 7x57, .338 Federal.... in the real world its all the same thing.
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Thought about that Shot gun idea, but too late now at this stage of the game, Ha.

I've got lots of cross Canada/ USA trips line up as long as things work out,,, and it will since travel to taller Mountains and flat lands is now my quest.

Going south will be the Odd-6, truck with quad or motorcycle in the box. Little pick-up with asperated 6 piston is dam good on gas.

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If you're planning on crossing the border a flintlock will streamline the process. Provided you are willing to accept its limitations it will work just fine.
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Yuppers, got my fires Black Powder from Colorado Springs many years ago, it's now 40 years old, Ha.

Truck with sleeper bed in back seat, quad or motorcycle, bow and rifle for fun shoot with pals down there. Don't realy need to bring any-thing from Canada down, but I don't mind down the paper work stuff.

Winter time Desert shooting is a blast so long as we use the shootong sheds to prevent melt down,,, pretty hot down there for this Kanuk. LOL.

Dropped of trailer in edmonton this morning and stopped too get a look at Weatherby Vanguards that are on sale.

Nice 7 lbs ish that come factory with 24" barrel. If Remmy would drop their price on the old school BDL, I'd be sighting in today in-stead of putting up tree stands, Ha.

Busy weekend from Mountain scooting, city hauling and deer prep for bow stick'em season.

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Things are working out for the new Remmy purchase soon too be now that the big box stores are jumping on board with sales coming up.

Its been a tuff year on all kinds of sales in Alberta this year so stores are now closing in on year end sales, with low numbers means they lose some of their over-all buying power "in numbers" if they don't get things moving

Manufactures look at these numbers too decide it they even want too do business with the distributors in the next following year, or start selling direct off the world wide web. "changing times mean changing ways of doing business".

Any-Who, I've been doing my home work, and by-ding my time in a hard economy to see what's out there, plan all long is boot Thunder mags that wore me down.

Replace with something a bit mellower, and thin out the small critter getters to lesson switching re-load stuff back and forth.

1 all round pipe days are here, less the pee plinker that will see replacement in the following year.

I knew the day would come, so looking forward too change since it keeps me young and crazy, Ha.

Pal Don at moving one step ahead and 2 steps side ways
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Old 08-09-2016, 07:44 AM
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The 30-06 is my favorite cartridge when necked down 0.024
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Old 08-09-2016, 09:50 AM
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I've owned an 06 since the late 80s. They get the job done. But then so too will any legal caliber in the hands of a real outdoorsman.

Some folks like to collect, that's cool. Some like to eat wild meat, that's me.
Others have a need to impress with purchased iron. Only fools are impressed, but if that's important to the buyer, have at er.

If it's legal and it works for you, who's to say you shouldn't own whatever?
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Yuppers to food harvister for me too. I hope its small and light weight with no horns, Ha.

It will be nice to finally scale back on iron as it will free me up for other things.
Lees this and that de-clusters the whole life package that is ever changing,,, not so much in my world. "I hope".

I looked many a times at 7mm-08, 270, 308 as well as a few more,,, but I find it best to give my self the option of launching heavy lead once in a while "when needed", not always, but "some-times yes. Odd-6 fits that catagory a bit.

I'm sure it will fit the 125gr to 130gr catagory too for plinking at little furry critters and paper/ steel gong stuff. "Kind-a like the 6mm was doing over the last few years.

Each of us choose this middle ground of the happenings with game too harvest, target and general all out fun of having some-thing that best fits the intended catagories. "Kind-a that is".

Can't wait for next week to get photos and the story started on the smooth and easy path of Odd-6 to match my low tech rusty skills that lappsed over the years.

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Old 08-09-2016, 11:40 AM
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Good for you I hope you enjoy it. Thanks for opening the classic arguments about calibre, I have my popcorn ready and will enjoy the show.
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