Sadly ... Brian Mulroney Has Passed Away

[Unregistered user]

Originally Posted by walker1

RIP regardless. Was not a fan.
Do not forget the submarine purchase from the UK where they sat in Halifax leaking if I recall correctly. A sub leaking is no big deal is it?

Wrong. Mulroney (Spit) had signed contracts to buy Nuclear subs from Britain and the EH101 Euro copter to replace the aging Sea kings. Chretien waltzed in and cancelled those contracts which cost the Candian tax payers over $3 billion. He bought those old diesel British subs that were destined for the scrap yard, and killed a young naval officer for good measure.

[Drewski Canuck]

It kills me to read these posts about the GST and Mulroney. Mulroney did not invite the GST on Canada. He had to impose it.

Canada is a Party to the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade since 1948. It is now known as the World Trades Organization.

The Problem with Mulroney and the GST is he was a SH@TY Spin Doctor on the issue and a Monkey could have done a better job.

Under GATT WTO any Country that has a tax or tariff policy that can be seen as an unfair advantage to other Countries, can be forced to change their policies. This is called a Level Playing Field. VAT is removed from Export Goods and is paid on Domestic consumed goods.

For example, the USA used to have a special tax rate for its Domestic Corporations that made money overseas and brought the money back to the USA.

GATT and WTO forced the USA to drop this tax policy.

All the GATT / WHO members have some form of VALUE ADDED TAX, in European Countries, it is called VAT. Canada did not.

If Canada wanted to trade with GATT / WTO members, we had to impose a VAT on Canadian goods. Mulroney lost at GATT / WTO, and had to impose the GST as Canada's VAT.

Trouble is, he was pathetic in marketing it to Canadians. All he had to say was that if we do not impose a VAT / GST, we cannot sell to Europe or the USA.

He was a failure on explaining why it had to be imposed. Chretien then lied to Canada for three elections that "I Will Eliminate the GST". Third time of course Canada did not fall for Chretien's lies.

Canada sells to the World much more than it buys from the World most years. All of those Exports were at risk of severe sanctions from our Trading Partners. It was that simple. No idea why the Boy from Baie Comeau could not figure that out.

But as for the corruption, don't deny it in Brian Mulroney. How much more did we pay to Airbus for those planes than we needed to?


Drewski

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

Alot of secrets went to the grave today.

This was the man who sued the CBC for Defamation over alleged bribes from Karl Hans Schriber over the Airbus Purchase, then reached a Settlement from CBC, and later it turns out the money was sitting in the US in a bus locker.

Who knew that he actually did receive money, of course that only came out AFTER the German Government denied Schriber's "deduction" for payment to Brian Mulroney for the Airbus purchase. Mulroney declared his "income" and paid the taxes and penalties, and it was all "good".

Sorry if I show no respect.

He was a Lawyer on top of it all, and knew that he had in fact received a facilitation payment. He said to the Reporters that he would be going to the Civil Discoveries "with bells on". Still remember the smug look on his face knowing full well it all was truth.

I really have a problem with Quebec Politicians of any stripe. Can't put my finger on it, but I do not trust them.

History keeps proving me right though.

Drewski

100% correct. Whenever I hear Mulroney, the first 3 things I think of are Airbus, Karlheinz Schreiber, and brown envelopes stuffed with cash.

Just another crooked politician on the take. All the accolades are sickening.

Let's hope Chretien isn't far behind, another great crook. Both of them could have taugh Ukrainian generals a thing or two about skimming.

[AxeMan]

@ Drewski

So explain to me how a GST tax charged on top of another tax like the carbon tax on my home heating bill helps with making Canada more competive in international trade. It is a massively abused tax, just like I pointed out.

Perhaps not Mulroney's main intention, like you pointed out, but he was a failure on implementation.

[walleyetis]

If only the title of this thread was for the current PM and not a former PM. Dare to dream. Figure I should speak before that incompetent plug pushes bill c63 in everyone’s face.

RIP Brian Mulroney

[Selkirk]

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More 'Food For Thought' 👉 https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business...pact-1.2041641

And don't forget ... his government brought in 'Tax Free Savings Accounts' ❗

Selkirk

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by Selkirk

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And don't forget ... his government brought in 'Tax Free Savings Accounts' ❗

He was PM in 2009?

[jungleboy]

Mulroney was accused of receiving 300 g from Shrieber. He admitted to $225 g and claimed it was after he was out of office.

I guess to my mind he looks like saint material when the current man child pm pulls that stunt regularly without consequence and we will never know how many millions have gone into his Trudeau trust fund.


$225 grand? Pshhhh Trudeau can burn through that on a single vacation and the CBC will tell him he deserves it

[32-40win]

I managed to forget about most of Mulroney's sins other than GST, to me, he was just another crooked politician, and came across as a dick. I guess we'll find out about the real Polievre in a year or two, truth eventually comes out in the wash, and there is something about him in the last year, that has the spidey senses atingle.

[Drewski Canuck]

Originally Posted by AxeMan

@ Drewski

So explain to me how a GST tax charged on top of another tax like the carbon tax on my home heating bill helps with making Canada more competive in international trade. It is a massively abused tax, just like I pointed out.

Perhaps not Mulroney's main intention, like you pointed out, but he was a failure on implementation.

Of course you are right. GST should never be charged on a Government Service, but with a little white lie about what it was called, the Liberals found a new pot of money to take from us. GST should only be charged on the actual gas or services related to the gas, but if you want to know the truth, the last Finance Minister told Prime Minister Trudough that the Government was broke. His idea was to make all that idle money sitting in retired business people's Holding Companies taxable!!!

Then some old Liberal retired Dentists, Doctors, Lawyers and Accountants screamed loud and clear, that they used this money from their old Prof Corps in the now Holding Companies for RETIREMENT, so instead the greedy eye of Government focused on GST on the Carbon Tax opps, I meant Carbon "levy".

But the biggest abuse of GST still comes from the fact that Organized Crime claimed to be exporting Cars, Track Hoes, etc to the US and claimed the GST rebate on made up Invoices with fake Serial Numbers, and CRA cut cheques for these Companies that then sent the money out of the Country!!

I am not aware of ONE Conviction for this GST Fraud.

Drewski

[58thecat]

Bottom line,

All are liars above ground or below!

You, me and all!

Spin it as you wish but mirrors tell no lies, take a good look.

Yup

Here we be….





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[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

100% correct. Whenever I hear Mulroney, the first 3 things I think of are Airbus, Karlheinz Schreiber, and brown envelopes stuffed with cash.

Just another crooked politician on the take. All the accolades are sickening.

Let's hope Chretien isn't far behind, another great crook. Both of them could have taugh Ukrainian generals a thing or two about skimming.

Sums his legacy up nicely

But he was never convicted of ethic violations. At least he has that.

BW

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Sums his legacy up nicely

But he was never convicted of ethic violations. At least he has that.

BW

Trudeau stands alone as the only PM found guilty of ethics violations.

[2 Tollers]

Having lived and worked through the crippling effects of the NEP and Trudeau the Sr's distain for the west I was really optomistic when Mulroney got in with the super majority that the west would get a new deal and be treated fairly.

I worked for an engineering firm that had a conservative bag man in our senior ranks so we did very well as a firm but the level of self indulgence and as someone said brown bag / backroom deals was there.

Mulrooney did a good thing on his stance on apartheid --- the rest I can pass on.

The unfortunate thing is he really had a chance to have conservatives in power for longer than 2 terms if he would have parked his ego, treated everyone equally and dropped the backroom / self serving deals. A huge chance for lasting change lost.

Now we have Trudeau the Junior (junior mentally in every way possible) coming to an end and perhaps another conservative super majority --- will history repeat? I do not see the arrogance in PP that was there on day one with Mulroney so perhaps this time will be different.

[Unregistered user]

His first free trade deal with the US sent a ton of jobs south of the border.

[WayneChristie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4sSBkNFnQE

[Selkirk]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

He was PM in 2009?

No ... my Goof. I got my Conservative PMs mixed up. It's been a Looong day. 😒

Harper was PM when the TFSAs were brought in.

Selkirk

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Selkirk

No ... my Goof. I got my Conservative PMs mixed up. It's been a Looong day. 😒

Harper was PM when the TFSAs were brought in.

Selkirk

Harper raised the TFSA limit, and Trudeau reduced it.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Sums his legacy up nicely

But he was never convicted of ethic violations. At least he has that.

BW

I was reminded on the news tonight how he gave the CF 18 maintenance contract to a Quebec company over the low bidder in Winnipeg creating a wave of Western alienation. Then, coming from the horse's mouth, he lobbied to get the present mayor of Edmonton out of jail in India, he was apparently facing terrorism charges there.

[Bigrib]

Is it true he talked about shooting someone on country wide TV ? I guess he wasn't all bad . old germans said the same thing about hitler .

Presto Manning and Stevo Harper liked him a lot , without him they wouldn't have done so well .

[Don Andersen]

He sold us out in NAFTA and when he left public office his popularity was less than the number of people who believed Elvis was alive.
Nearly killed the Con Party in next election.
And a crook.

Don

[~altiplano~]

Originally Posted by walker1

RIP regardless. Was not a fan.
Do not forget the submarine purchase from the UK where they sat in Halifax leaking if I recall correctly. A sub leaking is no big deal is it?

The UK Submarines were bought under Chretien. But the Mulroney gov did cancel Canada's nuclear sub program in '93 when we thought the Cold War was over...

[zabbo]

I see one potential bright spot here. It seems, canukistanis are even more hateful of lil castro than they were of Brian when he left!! Hope he sticks around and leads the liberals in the 2025 election! Hope he gets kicked real hard where it hurts the most!! Would love to see the arrogant smirk wiped off it's face!!!

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

Mulroney was accused of receiving 300 g from Shrieber. He admitted to $225 g and claimed it was after he was out of office.

I guess to my mind he looks like saint material when the current man child pm pulls that stunt regularly without consequence and we will never know how many millions have gone into his Trudeau trust fund.


$225 grand? Pshhhh Trudeau can burn through that on a single vacation and the CBC will tell him he deserves it

Allowing for inflation, that would probably be a million today.

[59whiskers]

Originally Posted by Don Andersen

He sold us out in NAFTA and when he left public office his popularity was less than the number of people who believed Elvis was alive.
Nearly killed the Con Party in next election.
And a crook.

Don

X2. Wasn’t the best Prime Minister. A lot of things have happened since Mulroney was PM. Most of our manufacturing in Canada/USA was moved over seas now and we are left with debt problems. I have sympathy for the Mulroney Family.

[Albertacoyotecaller]

I have no use for Lying Brian. He was another corrupt politician from Quebec. He wanted the GST to be 9% and he was guilty of bribes in doing service for the country. Too much progressive about this conservative.

Point me to his grave, I will **** on it.

[W921]

Originally Posted by 59whiskers

X2. Wasn’t the best Prime Minister. A lot of things have happened since Mulroney was PM. Most of our manufacturing in Canada/USA was moved over seas now and we are left with debt problems. I have sympathy for the Mulroney Family.

I actually was happy when Kim Campbell lost election. I was mad at her about bill c 17 and was huge Reform supporter .
Looking back in hindsight Mulroney and Campbell were way better than the next decade or so of liberal Prime Ministers we ended up with and paid for.
I'm surprised about PP. Maybe people have finally had enough? I'm shocked by Ford, Trump so maybe he can win?
If he does we need to go on offensive and undo a bunch of this woke retarded stuff. Swing pendulum the other way.