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Stolen Valour - Red Deer.........Peter Toth
http://www.reddeeradvocate.com/news/...-day-services/
Veterans are crying foul after an alleged faker posed as a former U.S. Marine at two Red Deer schools during their Remembrance Day services.
The Legion typically provides the local school districts with veterans to be part of the ceremony. On Nov. 8, Peter Toth attended ceremonies at St. Francis of Assisi Middle School and G.W. Smith Elementary School dressed in a U.S. Marine Corps uniform.
Bev Hanes, president of the Red Deer Legion, said an investigation into the incident is ongoing and an update may come later as they verify his credentials.
“We do ask them for certain documentation,” said Hanes. “What we got, what looked to us, looked legitimate enough. If people are making forgeries, it’s very difficult for us to check them out.”
The credentials and claims of service are now being investigated.
Stolen Valour Canada, an organization that aims to expose unlawful use of military uniforms or certificates, posted a conversation they had with Toth about his service record.
They point out several inconsistencies between what he said, his service record, his medals and dates and timelines.
In an email, John Lilyea, a retired US Army Sgt. First Class and founder of the website This Ain’t Hell (which works to expose people posing as veterans), said there were a number of this wrong with Toth’s claim of serving with the U.S. Marine Corps.
In a posted Facebook conversation with Toth, he says he served in two tours of duty in Iraq and two tours of duty in Afghanistan. He said he was shot in Afghanistan in 2005 where he earned a Purple Heart, an American military decoration for anyone wounded or killed while serving.
On his uniform, he wears a sniper tab on his left sleeve, however Lilyea said there’s no such thing in the Marine Corps or any other branch of the U.S. Military.
He also said he served in Kandahar province and “Hazbollah.” Hezbollah is an Islamist political party and militant group based in Lebanon.
The discharge papers he provided say he retired from the Marine Corps in 1985, 20 years before he was allegedly shot. The discharge papers have a number of inconsistencies, including a serial number, which the U.S. Marine Corps did away with in 1972, replacing it with a social security number. The year on the paper is misspelled as “ninteen hundren and eighty five.” The signatory to the discharge papers is the Commandant of the Marine Corps appears at M.W. Hagee, which could be Michael Hagee who held the role from 2003 to 2006. However in 1985, the Commandant was Paul Kelly.
“Toth claims that he was recalled to active duty for the war against terror after a 20-year absence from the military,” Lilyea wrote. “That only happens in the movies.
“Who needs an overweight 50-year-old to do the job a 20-year-old can do much better. I volunteered to back on active duty after I’d been out 12 years and the only job they offered me was that of a recruiter.”
Wearing a military uniform without lawful authority to do so is an offence under the Criminal Code of Canada.
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11-23-2017, 06:09 PM
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That "uniform" absolutely screams fraud. You wouldn't have to be an expert on U.S. Marine Corps dress and deportment to think the same...
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11-23-2017, 06:26 PM
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11-23-2017, 06:32 PM
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Lol. He looks ridiculous.
There is someone in Lethbridge who told me he passed BUD/S. I paid the $20 and found he was a fraud. I can’t wait to run into him sometime.
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11-23-2017, 07:02 PM
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THAT tub of guts is 50 yrs old.??????
Suddenly I feel very good about myself!!!!
Great story!!!
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11-23-2017, 07:18 PM
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11-23-2017, 07:23 PM
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hope he gets the help he needs for his illness
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11-23-2017, 07:24 PM
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Forgot to put up his Space Shuttle Door Gunner patch.
I feel a little sorry for people that do this type of thing and wonder if they may have some sort of mental malfunction.
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11-23-2017, 07:26 PM
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[QUOTE=huntinstuff;3674235]THAT tub of guts is 50 yrs old.??????
Suddenly I feel very good about myself!!!!
Yep...
I HATE people... POS scum...who pose as Veterans.
Charges aren't good enough.
As some of you may have figured out, I'm ex CDN Military Police, and I'd love to kick that SOB's ass, even with my tubby 63 yr old body.
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11-23-2017, 07:43 PM
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Was he invited from the US to speak here? Doubt Canada or even Alberta have a lack of veterans that could speak to the kids. Just wondering since I don't know much about the Legion and how it works.
He should apologize to the kids and publicly to veterans who actually risked their lives in these conflicts and those soldiers that currently do.
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11-23-2017, 07:50 PM
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Fraud
Tar + feather him
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11-23-2017, 08:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Willy
That "uniform" absolutely screams fraud. You wouldn't have to be an expert on U.S. Marine Corps dress and deportment to think the same...
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If that’s what passes for a USMC uniform these days their standards have seriously slid. I can see multiple issues with the uniform that no marine would be caught dead committing. Boots not bloused, POW/mia patch on his breast pocket, Calvary type scarf in marpat, DI campaign hat.... I could go on. I’m all Army and even I know these things about my Marine brothers and sisters.
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11-23-2017, 08:37 PM
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I also thought the Marines have these dress uniforms with the red stripes on the pants legs. Wouldn't a Marine wear that to an occasion like this?
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11-23-2017, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Imagehunter
I also thought the Marines have these dress uniforms with the red stripes on the pants legs. Wouldn't a Marine wear that to an occasion like this?
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One would think so. All my friends would. Oh yah his retirement certificate says gunnery sergeant an E7, yet his uniform has master gunny rank of E9 on it. Plus no marine has a tab on their shoulders. Oh well I’ll continue to live despite this poser.
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11-23-2017, 08:46 PM
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How unfortunate. Hopefully the impersonator receives some assistance from a psychiatrist. I can't fathom what it would take to drive a man to actions as vile as these.
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11-23-2017, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Newview01
Lol. He looks ridiculous.
There is someone in Lethbridge who told me he passed BUD/S. I paid the $20 and found he was a fraud. I can’t wait to run into him sometime.
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FYI his name is David Green. Used to run ActionCoach.
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11-23-2017, 09:18 PM
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hope he gets the help he needs for his illness
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Little late for a swift kick in the arse from dad and a hug from mom.
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11-23-2017, 09:21 PM
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I dont get it.
Like how can you get out of bed in thr morning knowing you are a complete fraud? What does someone get from doing this? Maybe the fact Ill never understand it means something.
What a fat loser.
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11-23-2017, 09:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterDave
Forgot to put up his Space Shuttle Door Gunner patch.
I feel a little sorry for people that do this type of thing and wonder if they may have some sort of mental malfunction.
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That actually made me LOL.
Thanks
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11-23-2017, 09:27 PM
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Danielle Smith's Father in law is another one. It boggles the mind all the stuff he's done. Google David Surrendi.
He was also bureaucrat with Alberta F/W and was instrumental in setting fisheries policies and programs.
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11-23-2017, 09:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by huntinstuff
THAT tub of guts is 50 yrs old.??????
Suddenly I feel very good about myself!!!!
Great story!!!
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Hey, welcome back! Haven't seen you for a while.
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11-24-2017, 07:19 AM
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It's the Camp
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Originally Posted by huntinstuff
THAT tub of guts is 50 yrs old.??????
Suddenly I feel very good about myself!!!!
Great story!!!
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It's the camo that adds the 30 extra pounds Randy.
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11-24-2017, 07:37 AM
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Does this mean that I have to give up wearing my Clown costume since I haven't taken the certification courses.
Dam, here I thought I'd get away with it.
Oh Boy, how am I going to be able to sleep to night.
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11-24-2017, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Don_Parsons
Does this mean that I have to give up wearing my Clown costume since I haven't taken the certification courses.
Dam, here I thought I'd get away with it.
Oh Boy, how am I going to be able to sleep to night.
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I have no doubt that you would get away with it.
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11-24-2017, 08:37 AM
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IMHO, only serving personnel and veterans from the CANADIAN Armed Forces should be going into Canadian schools. What's next? Russians? Zimbabweans? I guess those returning ISIS "veterans" will have something to do next Nov. 11.
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In this case Oki has cut to to the exact heart of the matter!
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11-24-2017, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Redfrog
Danielle Smith's Father in law is another one. It boggles the mind all the stuff he's done. Google David Surrendi.
He was also bureaucrat with Alberta F/W and was instrumental in setting fisheries policies and programs.
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Was another one.... he died a couple of years ago.
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11-24-2017, 09:06 AM
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People like this guy are losers.
They need to find away to fulfill their sad, unimportant, pitiful lives by playing "hero" for a day and living their dream to be a "big shot".
I hope this story stays with him like herpes and pops up periodically to humiliate him and shame him for the rest of his worthless, miserable existence.
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11-24-2017, 09:25 AM
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Has EZM got it figured out?
Is this sort of thing illegal in Canada? It should be. Is it just more or less harmless or is there a sinister element to it?
What happened to that guy in Ottawa who was dressed up as a soldier and had never served?
Is sort of thing common? The guy would have had to buy all the medals, uniforms, insignia etc. to dress the part.
I'm concerned that he is at an elementary school with children, are the children the attraction?
Does this guy have a real job?
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11-24-2017, 09:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Okotokian
IMHO, only serving personnel and veterans from the CANADIAN Armed Forces should be going into Canadian schools. What's next? Russians? Zimbabweans? I guess those returning ISIS "veterans" will have something to do next Nov. 11.
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Well if Trublow likes funding them you know he damn well expects you to remember them!
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11-24-2017, 09:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by densa44
Is this sort of thing illegal in Canada? It should be. Is it just more or less harmless or is there a sinister element to it?
What happened to that guy in Ottawa who was dressed up as a soldier and had never served?
Is sort of thing common? The guy would have had to buy all the medals, uniforms, insignia etc. to dress the part.
I'm concerned that he is at an elementary school with children, are the children the attraction?
Does this guy have a real job?
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I copy and pasted this from the article.
quote "Wearing a military uniform without lawful authority to do so is an offence under the Criminal Code of Canada."
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