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View Poll Results: How Many sub 1/2 MOA rifles do you have
1-2 106 61.99%
3-4 46 26.90%
5-6 11 6.43%
7-10 5 2.92%
10-15 0 0%
more then 15 1 0.58%
All of my rifles are sub 1/2 MOA 2 1.17%
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Old 01-12-2012, 07:56 PM
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5 shot group @ 100 yards... Cooper Phoenix Model 22 chambered in 6BR. Lapua Brass, Varget powder, CCI BR4 primers and Berger 80 gr. bullets.
Glass is a Sightron III, 8-32x56.
Geez SS, sweet shootin'.

Seems the BR's have always impressed me, and the guys that shoot them well.
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I'm actually surprised at how many rifles are listed here, customs excluded. I don't doubt anyone, but in my limited experience, 1/2" hunting rifles aren't common (unless I'm just missing the question). Not to take away from an honest-to-goodness 1/2" rifle but I chuckle about the folks that fluke it once and declare their triumph. How many of these have done it once, or occasionally?
The rifles that I listed and the targets I posted were all factory rifles, some with trigger work done. Most are shot with reloads some with factory ammo. Like I mentioned above I don't get sub 1/2 MOA groups all the time with the listed rifles but I would likely get MOA all the time and a lot of the time I get 1/2 MOA. I don't have precise statistical numbers to quote. In general if I own a rifle and I can't get it to shoot like the ones I have shown target from above....I sell them. Heck even a couple of the ones above I don't own anymore for some reason or another.

Now from a bench rest rifle I would expect to get 1/2 MOA the majority of the time....from the OP question I gathered he was wondering if anyone was achieving 1/2 MOA and the answer to that is Yes!

Some of the groups I posted were from a bench and some were prone from a bi-pod so they were made from a variety of shooting circumstances.

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I'm actually surprised at how many rifles are listed here, customs excluded. I don't doubt anyone, but in my limited experience, 1/2" hunting rifles aren't common (unless I'm just missing the question). Not to take away from an honest-to-goodness 1/2" rifle but I chuckle about the folks that fluke it once and declare their triumph. How many of these have done it once, or occasionally?

My best (with only a few owned rifles) is 1" with a bench rest buddy squeezing 3/4" out of it (.284 Win). He hasn't shot my 300WM but I get an inch to 1 1/8" out of it consistently, my personal talent considered

How tight are your 1 shot groups. Not kidding, hunting is one shot (hopefully). Do folks do "1 shot" shooting 'cold' and check their accuracy? Bench is great but there can be a world of difference between the shooting sports and field hunting. Can you put 1 bullet in a 1/2" cold? Or am I in the wrong thread?
i'm personally about a 3/4 moa shooter in sporter weight rifles that is accurate, said guns will often give me better but i've shot enough with several guns that i'm good for about 3/4 moa on bench or laying prone...the tikka varmint i listed however in my set up etc. i don't think threw one group over that for me, most were less than 1/2 or 1/2 but nice heavy gun goes a ways to helping me get under 3/4's, give me an accurate gun and i'll give you at least 3/4 moa on paper at 100 or on gongs at 500m...and yes i pay very close attention to shot number 1, after every cleaning, cold after sitting some time etc. very critical, i'm same with bow, its the first shot that counts always and its the one i pay attention to most

i have a custom mini 14 in 6.8 by asi that if you want same poi for first shot as the next four....you gotta rifle that bolt home on the forward stroke as hard as you can and your good to go, go soft or let the gun jam it home by itself and your out by 2" at 100....that gun i can hold 1.5 to 2moa consistantly at 200 with a 4x triangle reticle trijicon...for three shot groups which i'm happy with as i wanted a 2moa or less out of it, with a bit more magnification and a crosshair i'm sure it would be closer to moa but the triangle and only 4x with my zero range of 200 makes it a bit inconsistant trying to put the tip of the triangle just under the bull each shot
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:09 PM
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The gf's REM 721 in .270 win will do five under a nickel, wearing a fixed Simmons 6x scope. No mods, no idea on round count, no idea how many previous owners. Just an old gun I picked up for he cause the price was right.
The only problem is it only happens when she's the one on the trigger....
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I own one true "sub MOA" rifle. It weighs 13 lbs, so I wont be carrying it very far. But, on the bench, with a sandbag rear support and my bipod front, it will make tight cloverleafs at 100yds measuring less than 1/2 inch. Thats sub MOA in my books. Did I miss the point of the post?
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:51 PM
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Maybe with a better shooter than myself against the butt. But i have never been able to do that.
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I own one true "sub MOA" rifle. It weighs 13 lbs, so I wont be carrying it very far. But, on the bench, with a sandbag rear support and my bipod front, it will make tight cloverleafs at 100yds measuring less than 1/2 inch. Thats sub MOA in my books. Did I miss the point of the post?
I don't think you missed the point of the post, maybe - as I did the same thing! i wonder of the OP was just talking about hunting rifles?
I have a couple that will do it.
Many factory rifles will go 1/2 MOA these days, but whether or not the shooter can is another point.
I don't think I have ever seen 1/2MOA from the standing position with a hunting rifle - heck, I don't think I have ever seen 5 into 1/2MOA at 100 from the kneeling position, come to think of it!!!
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[QUOTE=catnthehat;1254138]I don't think you missed the point of the post, maybe - as I did the same thing! i wonder of the OP was just talking about hunting rifles?
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Well, if thats the case...my Wetherby Vanguard in .22-250 will group under 1/2 inch at 100 yds ...but only if i dont shoot it every time. You see, i shake...i shiver...I have been known to jerk the trigger occasionally because my damn fingers are getting cold. Let someone else who has shooting discipline shoot it for a couple 5 shot groups and we will see. I will bring the hot cocoa.
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Old 01-12-2012, 10:58 PM
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the most accurate gun I've ever owned is 6.5x55 m96 sort of sporterized it is well with in the 1/2 in moa 3x9 x40 tasco scope witch is junk but it shoots great this is also one of the least expencive rifles I ever owned.
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Tikka .338 with hand loaded 225g TSX
Tikka 7mm Mag with hand loaded 140g TSX or Barnes BT
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:18 PM
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The point of this post was to just let guys spin a bit o yarn about some of there favorite rifles. I love stories about shooting skill and great quality rifles. Hope everyone is having fun with the thread. I hoped so see more pics of some of the super star rifles. Some good pics posted so far of some amazing groups though.
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This is a group i shot with my .243 semi custom. Its based on a Rem 700 action with heavy barrel. Bell & Carlson Tactical Medalist stock. Beded and target crowned. Topped off with a Zeiss scope (for now ) looking to buy a nightforce.

The load for this group was 95 gr berger 6mm with winchester brass and primer with 41 gr of imr 4831
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All are 5 shot grouips @100M (except one on left third from bottom which was shot on a day that so foggy I only shot twice before abandoning the idea). I will post some others using different bullets....this is a true sub 1/2MOA rifle.
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More groups ... this time using three different brands of bullets...Hornady, Barnes, and the one that shoots best...Berger.
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The gf's REM 721 in .270 win will do five under a nickel, wearing a fixed Simmons 6x scope. No mods, no idea on round count, no idea how many previous owners. Just an old gun I picked up for he cause the price was right.
The only problem is it only happens when she's the one on the trigger....
glad to hear the old girl is working out for you, the old rems are hard to go wrong with!
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Old 01-16-2012, 03:54 PM
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I have only owned one rifle that I could shoot 1/2 MOA with...semi-consistently. It was a custom heavy-barreled rig.

I do own and have owned hunting rifles that have shot groups as small as 1/4MOA out to 400 yards...and I've shot plenty of 1/2MOA groups from the same rifles but they are not what I consider 1/2 MOA rifles. Sometimes it happens...sometimes it doesn't.
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I have a Savage 12 heavy barrel in 6 BR that shoots rather well. I have put 3 shots into a tenth of an inch, if 5 shot groups get over a 1/4 inch then either the load or the shooter needs work. I have BRNO 602 in 458 Winchester that put 3 shots into half an inch once, but I think I will call that a fluke.
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first pic, the rig 700 rem XCR TLR in 300wm with a 6.5-20x44 vortex
second a .45 3 shot at 100m
third a .29 3 shot at 100m
fourth a .41 3 shot at 100m
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the first two groups at 100m the left a 4 shot .31 and right a 6 shot .51(its .01 over a 1/2 moa, but at 100m not yards it qualifies)

The second a 300m 5 shot at 1.3
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Your right! Photos or it didn"t happen!

300 WBY MAGNUM 190gr Hornady BTSP @ 3100fps
Schultz and Larsen custom 3 shot group at 100

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my unmodified except for a crown job and lighter trigger can group .098" at 100 with a lead sled.rem 700 SPS Varmint

my modified but factory barrel 308 did a 1.2 " 3 shot group at 600 yards i was pretty shocked at. that was a rem 700 VSF
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my unmodified except for a crown job and lighter trigger can group .098" at 100 with a lead sled.
It's nice to shoot a great group like that, the question is, how often can you repeat that group? I have shot a few sub .1" groups myself over the years, but the odds of me repeating a group like that on any given day are extremely slim, so I don't refer to the guns that I shot them with as sub .1" guns. If I can consistently shoot sub 1/2 moa with a certain gun, I call that gun a sub 1/2 moa gun, even if I do shoot the odd sub 1/4moa group with it.
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Wow, some precision shooting here, very impressive. My 444 Marlin is sub 1/2 MOA until I mess things up with the second shot.

Do I understand some posts correctly, bone stock hunting rifles can sometimes deliver this kind of accuracy consistently?
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Do I understand some posts correctly, bone stock hunting rifles can sometimes deliver this kind of accuracy consistently?
Some bone stock factory rifles will deliver sub 1/2 moa with loads that they like. However, the majority of factory rifles won't do that well, especially with random factory loads.
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700 ADL that Rob Galloway has tweaked and spun a .264 Win Mag tube on for me. I have several targets that have only 1 slightly oblong hole.
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Do you own any sub 1/2 moa rifles and what make / model / and calibre are they? What optics do you have on them as well? Feel free to post any pics of your sub 1/2 MOA rifles with target proof of there performance.
I have had several Rem 700 hunting rifles that were capable of sub 1/2 MOA. Most of them were in 7mm08 caliber. Unfortunatly I have sold them as I can no longer hunt big game. However most of them have found homes with family or friends.
The most memorable was my Rem 700 V, that started out as a 22-250, and came to me as a rusty piece of junk. Cleaned it up and had it fitted with a factory, take off, barrel that I bought for $100.00. Total cost was $125.00, lot of elbow grease abd 4 boxes of Rem 120 Factory HP's. Added a used Redfield 4-12 with 600- yard BDC and built in range finder. Here is the first two groups shot, about 22 years ago, from an Outers Varmint rest on the tailgate of my pickup.
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This Nosler 140 SB load was my first 600 yard moose load. The 120 grain Nosler SB worked great for varmints, smaller game or moose at closer ranges.
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I settled on the Speer 145 BT as it shoots similar groups in most Remington rifles, including the SPS Here is how it shoots in the 700V.
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My fireforming/varmint load was the Speer 110 TNT. Here are two 0.26" groups shot, consecutivly, by me and another AO member with this load. The first shot and the other 0.26" group was bore sight and first group shot with Burris 6-24x50 Extreme Tactical scope. Also included is a 3.4", wind dispersed, group shot with this load at 600 yards. The other group is a 600 yard group shot with a 162 A-Max load.
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A true Sub 1/2 MOA Rem 700 V with all factory components, except Jewel 1# trigger. It shot just as well with the original BDL stock and tuned Rem trigger. Still shoots the same after more than 20 years. Just have to borrow it from Ray.
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A Rem 700 SPS in 223. Hawke 6-18x44 SR Scope. [IMG][/IMG]


SUB 1/2 MOA RIFLES THAT I STILL OWN

Rem 700 SPS Varmint in 204 Ruger. [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG]

Sako 75 Varmint SS Laminate in 222 Rem. [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG]

I HAVE 2 CZ 527 V'S WITH KEVLAR FACTORY STOCKS, IN MY WILDAT 20 EXTREME, THAT ARE MY FAVORITES. TRUE SUB 1/2 MINUTE WITH ABOUT 40 LOADS AND 2/3 MOA WITH MANY MORE.
- PacNor super match barrels, 24"
- Leupold VX3 SF, 6.5-20x40, VH reticle
- Hawke Tactical SF 8.5-25x42

[IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] Above load at 300 yards and 3 shots,along with shots with 3 other loads that grouped 0.61" at 100 yards. [IMG][/IMG]
Another of those loads at 300 yards.
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A few more including my best ever 0.15", 5 shot group, with Berger 35 Varmint.
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I'd have to let someone else shoot my rifles to see if any are sub-moa
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My browning T-bolt in 17 hmr

My tikka T-3 in 22-250

My tikka T-3 in 300 win mag

Here is the .17 hmr at 100 yards.
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over on the long range hunting site; statistical analysis of group size. After reading that each one of my rifles is statistically able to shoot a sub moa group - but only one or two can actually do it reliably. It was an interesting read - and then this thread popped up. I will now pop up to my classroom and calculate moa based on a 100 yard distance.
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