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That's not true at all, it puts a MASSIVE debt load on host city's that can and will take decades to pay it off. But I understand what you meant.
This is the first time I have ever heard anyone claim hosting Oly's will be good for an economy. 
It DESTROYS economy's, each and every one in the past has lost money and the IOC is the ONLY one that makes money on the taxpayers back 
There is a reason the IOC is struggling to find host city's, because it is a financial nightmare that will cost billions and billions of taxpayers money, while the IOC sneaks out the back door with burlap sacks with big dollar signs on them.
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Every Olympic hosted has Not lost $. There has been successful Olympics. Cost Overruns are not the same as losing money on the Olympics, Cost overruns can be calculated. Success cannot! The Nordic Center in Canmore, Saddladome, COP, NAKISKA to name a few, are still making $. Tourism into a city that the World never heard of before the 88 Olympic Games is still coming to the City and Province. Billions and Billions ! How many are you suggesting ?
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Agree with the majority here who have already stated the reality.
A resounding NO from me.
Time to stop unnecessary spending and start cutbacks in our bloated civil service at all levels.
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I'd like to have the Olympics and support civil/government cutbacks.
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11-12-2018, 07:15 PM
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I've mentioned before the 88 Olympics were OUTSTANDING!! As HABFAN mentioned, a lot of legacy infrastructures still in use from the 88 Olympics.
The problem for me is the ridiculous amount of security required to host these Games.
For that reason I'm out on this bid 
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11-12-2018, 07:15 PM
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Attempting to spend your way out of an economic downturn only gets you further into debt. The temporary employment that hosting the Olympics would bring to Calgary, will not offset the massive costs.
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11-12-2018, 07:15 PM
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Every Olympic hosted has Not lost $. There has been successful Olympics. Cost Overruns are not the same as losing money on the Olympics, Cost overruns can be calculated. Success cannot! The Nordic Center in Canmore, Saddladome, COP, NAKISKA to name a few, are still making $. Tourism into a city that the World never heard of before the 88 Olympic Games is still coming to the City and Province. Billions and Billions ! How many are you suggesting ?
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You are clearly still living in the '80's. I was part of it, loved it and reveled in it...different times my friend...this is a goat rodeo.
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11-12-2018, 07:28 PM
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Sounds like your a “ Been there Done that, who cares about about doing it again” person from the 80s. 
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11-12-2018, 07:28 PM
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Absolute no...we r in enough trouble with the loss of tax revenue from the core. This won’t fix anything. Not all this money will be coming to Calgary either, I’m sure the other places hosting events aren’t doing it for free.
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11-12-2018, 07:32 PM
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Sounds like your a “ Been there Done that, who cares about about doing it again” person from the 80s. |
There are now potholes that should have been fixed in spring and we're going into the winter!!! This city is falling apart and no amount of Olympic money will fix it...control spending and prioritize!!!
If we had any kind of a real city council we would not even be discussing this!
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11-12-2018, 07:34 PM
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Attempting to spend your way out of an economic downturn only gets you further into debt. The temporary employment that hosting the Olympics would bring to Calgary, will not offset the massive costs.
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Minimum wage jobs don't contribute much to the economy.
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I’ll be front row on the half pipe with a pocket full of joints eating me a hotdog with all the fixins while having a grande ol’ Time 
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11-12-2018, 07:45 PM
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There are now potholes that should have been fixed in spring and we're going into the winter!!! This city is falling apart and no amount of Olympic money will fix it...control spending and prioritize!!!
If we had any kind of a real city council we would not even be discussing this!
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I hear you !! I get both sides ! Good luck with your side of the vote !
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11-12-2018, 07:48 PM
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The bright of of winning the bid is that city is going to have a very hard time convincing the arbitrator they have no money when it comes to giving us, city employees a raise.
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11-12-2018, 08:57 PM
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I’ll be front row on the half pipe with a pocket full of joints eating me a hotdog with all the fixins while having a grande ol’ Time
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Make sure you learn swedish or Italian so they get your order right. The Olympics shouldn't be held in calgary.
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11-12-2018, 09:25 PM
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I keep thinking that if it was such a great opportunity, there would be a big lineup of cities competing to host it, HOWEVER.........that is simply NOT the case!
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11-12-2018, 10:02 PM
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The bright of of winning the bid is that city is going to have a very hard time convincing the arbitrator they have no money when it comes to giving us, city employees a raise.
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They could always fire 4 out of every 7 supervisors standing over the hole watching the one new guy work!
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11-12-2018, 10:39 PM
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I am a small business owner too. Short term would it stimulate Calgary, maybe. Will it pay off long term, probably not.
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11-12-2018, 11:10 PM
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Every Olympic hosted has Not lost $. There has been successful Olympics. Cost Overruns are not the same as losing money on the Olympics, Cost overruns can be calculated. Success cannot! The Nordic Center in Canmore, Saddladome, COP, NAKISKA to name a few, are still making $. Tourism into a city that the World never heard of before the 88 Olympic Games is still coming to the City and Province. Billions and Billions ! How many are you suggesting ?
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Not sure how you calculate that the Saddledome and and the Nordic Center make money. The Saddledome may allow the Flames owners to make money but how does that help me as a tax payer who paid for it?
By your argument we've already benefited by hosting the Olympics. We've got facilities and worldwide recognition for tourism. Why host it again then? You won't be doubling up on the benefits the 88 event brought but you sure as heck will be spending well over double what was spent in 88.
It won't be deja vous all over again (as Yogi Bera once said) that's for sure.
Vote NO to 88 part deux.
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11-13-2018, 05:50 AM
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They could always fire 4 out of every 7 supervisors standing over the hole watching the one new guy work!
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Yup and when you go back to the office or cubicles terminate all that are farting around on social media and put in one competent person who in an eight hour day does more than four hammerheads cruising social media.....free up some coin and toss it towards the olympics....a few months of this would pay for a new arena too 
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11-13-2018, 05:56 AM
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Well you guys in Calgary have enough information to help you make your decision so GET OUT AND VOTE
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11-13-2018, 08:34 AM
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Well I voted at 8:15 in Ranchlands in Calgary. Steady stream of voters but in and out in 2 minutes. The new system works pretty slick just have to hope it does work
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11-13-2018, 11:56 AM
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Every Olympic hosted has Not lost $. There has been successful Olympics. Cost Overruns are not the same as losing money on the Olympics, Cost overruns can be calculated. Success cannot! The Nordic Center in Canmore, Saddladome, COP, NAKISKA to name a few, are still making $. Tourism into a city that the World never heard of before the 88 Olympic Games is still coming to the City and Province. Billions and Billions ! How many are you suggesting ?
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Indisputable fact ever olympics after Calgary has lost money.
Facilities for the most part are out dated but used. I see no evidence of profit.
I see no evidence of billions.
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Voted this morning. The process went smoothly.
Wish we had more plebiscites. Would be pretty easy to do during a civic election. (Sorry for the slight derail)
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11-13-2018, 01:16 PM
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Taxes aren't going away.
Why not spend it on something your family and children can enjoy?? Something to be proud of. National sport.
Way to many Scrooge's trolling here I think.
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11-13-2018, 01:21 PM
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Interesting to note that Whistler is a component of the Calgary bid. I wonder how many tax dollars will flow west.....  Based solely upon how BC has treated Alberta, if I lived in Calgary, I’d be voting NO.
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11-13-2018, 01:27 PM
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Every Olympic hosted has Not lost $. There has been successful Olympics. Cost Overruns are not the same as losing money on the Olympics, Cost overruns can be calculated. Success cannot! The Nordic Center in Canmore, Saddladome, COP, NAKISKA to name a few, are still making $. Tourism into a city that the World never heard of before the 88 Olympic Games is still coming to the City and Province. Billions and Billions ! How many are you suggesting ?
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Billions!
And Billions!!
Please provide where you got those stats.
You see, your whole argument is worthless when you over exaggerate to a ridiculous extent.
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11-13-2018, 01:43 PM
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Billions!
And Billions!!
Please provide where you got those stats.
You see, your whole argument is worthless when you over exaggerate to a ridiculous extent.
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Ok, I'll play..
Show us that the Olympics DIDN'T stimulate our economy for decades and bring in billions. You can't, can you.
Is it a coincidence that Alberta's economy rebounded right after '88? Maybe.
O&G was (and still kind of is) an "old boys club". It could've been something as simple as a group of CEO's came to Calgary to party in '88 and decided instead of closing shop, and moving HQ out east, they decided to stay here or possibly move here. Who knows. I know one of the big reason's ALOT of people live here (including myself) is because of the proximity to the mountains, ie;lifestyle.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still voting NO (mostly because of the lack of answers), but there's no proof either way.
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This time, I think the promoters don't have enough backing to get it done and come out ahead overall, like we did in 88. There was opposition to it back then as well, but, we actually were in a position to gain from it at that point, I don't think that same position is there now. That was 30 years ago, the outlook towards travel to Alberta has changed, the city has changed its presence on the world stage already and is pretty well known now, not like it was back before 88 and it has doubled its size since then. This time, I don't think it has the interest of the previously mostly unknown Cowtown Calgary that it was, and isn't anymore.
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The only thing that would have made me even maybe consider voting yes, is our taxes are going to go up anyway, and at least if it is due to the Olympics the money is going to be spent in Calgary and not Ontario or Quebec. Even then I don't think they are anywhere close on the actual budget numbers so not worth the risk.
They have already wasted enough of my money on this bid process...
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I really don't need my unborn grand kids having to pay the taxes on what it will cost to host these games.
Been there, done that, it was cool but not what this city needs at this time.
Calgary and area will get hit with at least three separate tax hikes if this goes through: municipal, provincial, and federal. Do we really need that?
Talk all you want, if this bleeding heart open wallet mayor really want this, he will find a way to push it through. I will be going to vote with the wife after I pick her up from work, but I have no problems saying that this vote is really a joke to let the citizens feel like they have a say.
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I'm voting no, they say it's a big economical boom, upgrade infrastructure, and helps the city with development etc but if this golden Olympic unicorn was so amazing for countries how come so many countries are dropping out? I'd imagine it'd be a race to win this bid and countries would be tripping all over each to get it, not a participation award to whoever is left.
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