RCMP Drag 2 Seniors In Their 80's Down Stairs

[dgl1948]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Those aren't solutions. You are avoiding the question. The police arrived, the meeting was ended and the people refused to leave. Given that they won't leave, how do you as police officers get them out of the premises?

If the meeting was over and no one else was there I am sure they would leave.

[JohninAB]

My hat is off to the police officers in this situation. Removed the problem.

Handcuffing and strapping to a gurney is going to take force ole gramps is not going to gleefully jump up onto the gurney.

[silverdoctor]

According to a witness...

Witness filmed the arrest

Victor Kim, who began filming after he heard the granddaughter's screams, said police were called after a voting disagreement among condo owners, reported Daily Hive Vancouver.

He said the elderly woman was trying to prevent tampering of the ballot box when one of the Mounties allegedly blocked her, escalating the situation and angering her husband.

“I don’t think [the officers] were in danger from that couple," Kim told the website. "Maybe they were doing their job, but that was too much.”

Boys, if that's the case, then heck yeah, lay a beat down on the old couple, guess they deserved it. Good gawd, what's the world coming to. Disagreement over a condo vote, wow, great reason to call the cops.

All hands should hang their heads in shame.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by dgl1948

If the meeting was over and no one else was there I am sure they would leave.

Eventually yes, but the point is that they were ordered to leave by the RCMP, and they refused. What do you suppose would happen if every time the police tried to remove someone and they refused, the police simply walked away and left them be?

Witness filmed the arrest

Victor Kim, who began filming after he heard the granddaughter's screams, said police were called after a voting disagreement among condo owners, reported Daily Hive Vancouver.

He said the elderly woman was trying to prevent tampering of the ballot box when one of the Mounties allegedly blocked her, escalating the situation and angering her husband.

“I don’t think [the officers] were in danger from that couple," Kim told the website. "Maybe they were doing their job, but that was too much.”

Was she trying to get at the ballot box to prevent tampering, or to do some tampering, we weren't there, so we don't know. In any case, if she was causing a disturbance to the point that the police were called, and if the police told her to leave, she should have left.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Was she trying to get at the ballot box to prevent tampering, or to do some tampering, we weren't there, so we don't know. In any case, if she was causing a disturbance to the point that the police were called, and if the police told her to leave, she should have left.

No, we weren't there so it's chasing tails at the moment. Why were the cops called in the first place - if it was just a bit of heated argument, that's what I'm trying to wrap my head around. This incident shouldn't have happened. Here's one of the issues with today's society. In an offhand way, i'm agreeing with the police.

Police in general are doing too much babysitting - but in a way, they created the mess. don't handle the problem yourself, call us. 20 years ago, cops weren't called for every little thing, they were called because their presence was necessary.

Many times it was just the mere presence of the police that would de-escalate a situation. This day in age, police presence seems to escalate every situation.

I guess my question is - what the heck is going on with society? I suspect some snowflake got triggered, needed to feel safe.

[purgatory.sv]

Social media is one of the most exploited tools.

In this situation it only shows alleged suspects and witnesses interfering with the officers.

[silverdoctor]

To lighten the mood.

Yeah, Warren, that's the problem with old men. You can kick 'em down the stairs and say it's a accident but you can't just shoot 'em.

If you haven't seen the movie, I highly recommend it.

[Weedy1]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Was she trying to get at the ballot box to prevent tampering, or to do some tampering, we weren't there, so we don't know.

From:

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/coqui...s-october-2016

Coquitlam RCMP are under fire after being filmed dragging an elderly man down the stairs and manhandling an elderly woman, as a young girl cries at officers.

The incident occurred at around 10:30 pm on Thursday, October 27, and followed a voting disagreement at a condo strata meeting being held at the Best Western Hotel at 319 North Road.

According to Victor Kim, who filmed the altercation, the RCMP were called to keep the peace after insults were thrown and residents came close to violence.

“The vote was rigged, that’s why everything happened,” Kim tells Daily Hive.

Kim alleges the elderly lady in the video approached the ballot box to sign the tape used to seal it and prevent tampering. One of the officers allegedly pushed her away from the box and the dispute escalated.

“Her husband got upset. They’re 80 years old,” says Kim, adding that he ran into the hallway after he heard the screams of their granddaughter.

That’s when he started filming.

‘Stop resisting’

Kim shot two videos of the incident, which we have combined into a single clip that you can view at the top of this story.

The video shows the elderly man laying on the landing of the hotel stairs as an officer screams “stop resisting.” The officer then seems to have dragged the man down the stairs.

Meanwhile, another officer is attempting to handcuff the elderly woman, who, according to Kim, doesn’t speak English well.

Her granddaughter can be heard screaming, “Don’t do that! That’s my grandmother!”

There also appears to be a broken drinking glass at the bottom of the stairs.

The elderly woman was taken to the hospital after the incident, says Kim, who stayed with her until 2 am.

RCMP officers under review

In a statement issued to Daily Hive, Supt. Sean Maloney, Officer in Charge of Coquitlam RCMP, confirmed police were called due to problems at the strata meeting.

“It was reported that a strata annual general meeting had gotten out of hand and that some parties in attendance were potentially fighting,” said Maloney.

After police arrived, says Maloney, a decision was taken to end the meeting, but the elderly couple allegedly refused to leave and were arrested by officers.

The couple were then assessed by Emergency Health Services to ensure their wellbeing, says Maloney, who says no public complaint has been received about the incident.

“However, I respect and understand that the video may cause concern to the public,” said Maloney. “I have initiated a review into the actions of the police officers involved. This review will also include looking further into the reasons behind our attendance.”

Meanwhile, police are still investigating the elderly couple and will be forwarding a report to Crown Counsel for their assessment of criminal charges, says Maloney.

“I want to acknowledge up front that the Coquitlam RCMP relies on the trust and cooperation of our community,” said Maloney. “Policing is and must be a partnership with the community.

“I ask for the community’s understanding to give time for a fulsome review to take place, so I can make an informed decision about the next steps.”

‘What else will they do?’

Kim believes the situation could have been handled better by the Coquitlam RCMP.

“The police officers have no conscience. I respect what they do, but after last night, it makes me think.”

“If they can do that to an old couple, what else will they do to anybody?” adds Kim.

“I don’t think [the officers] were in danger from that couple. Maybe they were doing their job, but that was too much.”

[Stustage]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I am not defending the officer's behavior, but if the old man had done what he was told, instead of hanging onto the rails , and making the situation as difficult as possible, none of this would have happened. The old man certainly wasn't setting a good example for his grandchild. As I posted previously, the video makes pretty much everyone involved look bad.

I think what you failed to notice is that the cop with the the old lady KNEW he was being filmed. what as the little girl grabs the back of his pants and he turns around like he is going to put them down but looks right at the camera and thinks be fore he goes back to the old lady, as the kid keeps getting in his way he keeps looking to see if the camera is there, I am sure he would've punted that little kid is the camera wasn't in his face. Dude that dragged the old guy down the stairs didn't notice the camera.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Weedy1

From:

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/coqui...s-october-2016

Coquitlam RCMP are under fire after being filmed dragging an elderly man down the stairs and manhandling an elderly woman, as a young girl cries at officers.

The incident occurred at around 10:30 pm on Thursday, October 27, and followed a voting disagreement at a condo strata meeting being held at the Best Western Hotel at 319 North Road.

According to Victor Kim, who filmed the altercation, the RCMP were called to keep the peace after insults were thrown and residents came close to violence.

“The vote was rigged, that’s why everything happened,” Kim tells Daily Hive.

Kim alleges the elderly lady in the video approached the ballot box to sign the tape used to seal it and prevent tampering. One of the officers allegedly pushed her away from the box and the dispute escalated.

“Her husband got upset. They’re 80 years old,” says Kim, adding that he ran into the hallway after he heard the screams of their granddaughter.

That’s when he started filming.

‘Stop resisting’

Kim shot two videos of the incident, which we have combined into a single clip that you can view at the top of this story.

The video shows the elderly man laying on the landing of the hotel stairs as an officer screams “stop resisting.” The officer then seems to have dragged the man down the stairs.

Meanwhile, another officer is attempting to handcuff the elderly woman, who, according to Kim, doesn’t speak English well.

Her granddaughter can be heard screaming, “Don’t do that! That’s my grandmother!”

There also appears to be a broken drinking glass at the bottom of the stairs.

The elderly woman was taken to the hospital after the incident, says Kim, who stayed with her until 2 am.

RCMP officers under review

In a statement issued to Daily Hive, Supt. Sean Maloney, Officer in Charge of Coquitlam RCMP, confirmed police were called due to problems at the strata meeting.

“It was reported that a strata annual general meeting had gotten out of hand and that some parties in attendance were potentially fighting,” said Maloney.

After police arrived, says Maloney, a decision was taken to end the meeting, but the elderly couple allegedly refused to leave and were arrested by officers.

The couple were then assessed by Emergency Health Services to ensure their wellbeing, says Maloney, who says no public complaint has been received about the incident.

“However, I respect and understand that the video may cause concern to the public,” said Maloney. “I have initiated a review into the actions of the police officers involved. This review will also include looking further into the reasons behind our attendance.”

Meanwhile, police are still investigating the elderly couple and will be forwarding a report to Crown Counsel for their assessment of criminal charges, says Maloney.

“I want to acknowledge up front that the Coquitlam RCMP relies on the trust and cooperation of our community,” said Maloney. “Policing is and must be a partnership with the community.

“I ask for the community’s understanding to give time for a fulsome review to take place, so I can make an informed decision about the next steps.”

‘What else will they do?’

Kim believes the situation could have been handled better by the Coquitlam RCMP.

“The police officers have no conscience. I respect what they do, but after last night, it makes me think.”

“If they can do that to an old couple, what else will they do to anybody?” adds Kim.

“I don’t think [the officers] were in danger from that couple. Maybe they were doing their job, but that was too much.”

This statement seems most appropriate in response.

No, we weren't there so it's chasing tails at the moment. Why were the cops called in the first place - if it was just a bit of heated argument, that's what I'm trying to wrap my head around.

We don't know what happened prior to the police arriving at the scene. As to her reason for getting at the ballot box, is the witness assuming that he knows why she wanted to get to it, or was he told by someone? Unless he is a mind reader, he can see that she was trying to get at the ballot box, but he can't know what the old lady is thinking as she tries to get to it. Once again, without knowing what happened beforehand, and why the police were called, we don't know what she was really up to, or what she may have done before the police arrived.

I think what you failed to notice is that the cop with the the old lady KNEW he was being filmed. what as the little girl grabs the back of his pants and he turns around like he is going to put them down but looks right at the camera and thinks be fore he goes back to the old lady, as the kid keeps getting in his way he keeps looking to see if the camera is there, I am sure he would've punted that little kid is the camera wasn't in his face. Dude that dragged the old guy down the stairs didn't notice the camera.

The one officer seemed occupied with the old man, so no, he may not have realized that he was being recorded. As for the other officer, you can't predict how he would have acted had he not realized that he was being recorded. You can only make assumptions, and as we know, assumptions are often not correct.

[dgl1948]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

This statement seems most appropriate in response.



We don't know what happened prior to the police arriving at the scene. As to her reason for getting at the ballot box, is the witness assuming that he knows why she wanted to get to it, or was he told by someone? Unless he is a mind reader, he can see that she was trying to get at the ballot box, but he can't know what the old lady is thinking as she tries to get to it. Once again, without knowing what happened beforehand, and why the police were called, we don't know what she was really up to, or what she may have done before the police arrived.




The one officer seemed occupied with the old man, so no, he may not have realized that he was being recorded. As for the other officer, you can't predict how he would have acted had he not realized that he was being recorded. You can only make assumptions, and as we know, assumptions are often not correct.

The witness was there , you were not. Whose version should we believe.

[Badgoodguy]

Hi all been awhile but in my opinion yes we dont know what all happened BUT the question is what if it was your parents or grandparents Something is not right

[waterninja]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Now it starting to have something in common with the Vancouver airport incident, in that the the story the old man is telling, doesn't appear to match what we see in the video. I wonder if his story about getting kicked down the first set of stairs is accurate?

I am truly amassed at how many people are defending that officers actions. I have no idea how the heck you were raised, but in the society I was raised in there are certain rules that a person should try to live by.
Some people are accorded certain privilages or at least some slack from the rest of us.
Children, Senior Citizens, Pregnant Women, Mentally handicapped, The Blind and other people with physical handicaps come to mind.
I don't care if that old fellow was the head of the Chinese Mafia, he was a ZERO threat to that officer. If you don't see why people are upset about watching an 80 year old man being dragged down the stairs by a healthy young man who"s motto goes something like "To Protect and Serve" then there is no hope for you, or society in general.
If you think I'm taking this a little personally, your damn right. If someone dragged my 83 yr. old father down the stairs like that I would lose my mind. Old people are frail, and their bones are brittle.

[elkdump]

I was at my 95 year old mothers birthday a couple days ago, she is very fiesty and does her own banking and chequing accts and tax returns all on her own , lives by herself quite independently , in fact just passed a recent drivers road test !

She is feisty and stubborn and would stick up for her BELIEFS, whether threatened by a 200 pound cop or a 125 pound crack head, she also would not back down from a bullying cop or an abusive strata counsel official,

If I had witness to anyone pushing or dragging her down a flight of stairs I would consider use a baseball bat or 2x4 if needed to knock respect into the cop , including if the cop was my own son, whom happens to be in the RCMP for six years now,

What a disgusting example of excessive force, bullying and poor management by the Police Force ! a national symbol of disgrace and embarrassment

No wonder they call them Pigs

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by waterninja

I am truly amassed at how many people are defending that officers actions. I have no idea how the heck you were raised, but in the society I was raised in there are certain rules that a person should try to live by.
Some people are accorded certain privilages or at least some slack from the rest of us.
Children, Senior Citizens, Pregnant Women, Mentally handicapped, The Blind and other people with physical handicaps come to mind.
I don't care if that old fellow was the head of the Chinese Mafia, he was a ZERO threat to that officer. If you don't see why people are upset about watching an 80 year old man being dragged down the stairs by a healthy young man who"s motto goes something like "To Protect and Serve" then there is no hope for you, or society in general.
If you think I'm taking this a little personally, your damn right. If someone dragged my 83 yr. old father down the stairs like that I would lose my mind. Old people are frail, and their bones are brittle.

My 83 year old father would not have been dragged down the stairs, because he would have been smart enough to walk down those stairs on his own if the police told him to leave the building. He served on the town council for multiple terms and was the local fire chief for many years, and was on various local boards, so he dealt with the public on a regular basis, but during all of his dealings, the police never had to be called to come and arrest him. Those are the values that I grew up with.

[waterninja]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

My 83 year old father would not have been dragged down the stairs, because he would have been smart enough to walk down those stairs on his own if the police told him to leave the building. He served on the town council for multiple terms and was the local fire chief for many years, and was on various local boards, so he dealt with the public on a regular basis, but during all of his dealings, the police never had to be called to come and arrest him. Those are the values that I grew up with.

So as long as it's someone else's grandfather, grandmother, father, mother etc. and not yours, then your ok with it.

Perfect. One more example of whats wrong with society these days.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by waterninja

So as long as it's someone else's grandfather, grandmother, father, mother etc. and not yours, then your ok with it.

Perfect. One more example of whats wrong with society these days.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by dgl1948

Simple. Meeting over. Everyone leave.

Yup

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Well let's see.

We have under 12

12 to 18

Over 18

But no 18 to pick an age.

At what age is one omitted from being handled by police?

Eh he's XX years old, let him do whatever he wants

Old enough to do the crime...

[elkdump]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

Well let's see.

We have under 12

12 to 18

Over 18

But no 18 to pick an age.

At what age is one omitted from being handled by police?

Eh he's XX years old, let him do whatever he wants

Old enough to do the crime...

To those under 12 it would be difficult a concept of restraint , rather than physical abuse when dealing with someone frail in their 80,s

A RECENT EXAMPLE of abuse of power and then police abuse was here in Northern BC where an Elected Mayor summoned the RCMP to evict taxpayers from a town counsel meeting , when residents demanded answers why the Mayor had purchased a Harley Davidson with the City,s MasterCard he been entrusted with for lawful purchases in the duties as elected mayor ,
The Police evicted at the demands of the criminal Mayor, the attending upset citizens lawfully attending a a City Town Counsel meeting, many of them were seniors,

The Mayor was eventually charged with theft and deposed as mayor, and had to forfeit his illegally acquired Harley,

No One should have left, even at police insistence, and the police were interfering in something , not of their mandate,

of coarse political corruption and police abuse of power are Synonymous

[waterninja]

Well this has been interesting and informative. I'm gone for a couple weeks. I'll be following this in the news if I can .Wouldn't surprise me if that officer is suspended or fired.
. Wouldn't surprise me if that officer gets a commendation.
. Nothing surprises me anymore.

[oldgutpile]

I'm not sure if half the people commenting on this thread took the time to watch the video, or if they just jumped in based on the headlines!
I'm on the cops side on this one (yeah I guess it's how I was raised). Why is it suddenly OK for everyone to basically flip the authorities the bird so they can stick to their morals? When someone in uniform needs you to leave the premise to maintain the peace, freakin leave already! Take a knee in this battle, and fight the war another way!
I find it really convenient that the old man video is missing from the top of the stairs, to where he is being escorted out from the bottom step. Looked like the officer was basically trying to gently roll him down the top step, and the POOF, he is sitting up on the bottom step.
Somehow, I kinda missed the part about how he was dragged down the stairs by his hair.
When the officers are let off the hook for trying to do their job, I'm sure there is gonna be hell to pay from all those head-line gawkers that want to see blood shed from over abusive officers! We keep placing these guys in a no-win occupation. Keep the peace, but dont dare use any force, and be careful we dont offend anyone !
What do we expect them to do after they say please umpteen times!?

[Newview01]

These situations are why many cops want body cams. To record the whole incident, not just the dramatic part.

[Buckhead]

Originally Posted by waterninja

So as long as it's someone else's grandfather, grandmother, father, mother etc. and not yours, then your ok with it.

Perfect. One more example of whats wrong with society these days.

If it was my grandfather, grandmother, father, mother, or any other relative, then they should be removed with whatever force is necessary.

Act like a moron and a criminal and you should be treated as such.

What's wrong with society is everyone thinks they have some special entitlement based on their age, skin color, sex, ethnic background, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum. It's enough to make me puke.

[Stustage]

Originally Posted by oldgutpile

I'm on the cops side on this one (yeah I guess it's how I was raised).
Somehow, I kinda missed the part about how he was dragged down the stairs by his hair.
When the officers are let off the hook for trying to do their job, I'm sure there is gonna be hell to pay from all those head-line gawkers that want to see blood shed from over abusive officers!

this situation kind of reminds of :Robert Dziekański, killed by the RCMP at the Vancouver International Airport in October 2007.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by Buckhead

If it was my grandfather, grandmother, father, mother, or any other relative, then they should be removed with whatever force is necessary.

Act like a moron and a criminal and you should be treated as such.

What's wrong with society is everyone thinks they have some special entitlement based on their age, skin color, sex, ethnic background, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum. It's enough to make me puke.

Exactly! Well said.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by Stustage

this situation kind of reminds of :Robert Dziekański, killed by the RCMP at the Vancouver International Airport in October 2007.

Again for those like you who post without reading the thread it is not anywhere close to the Vancouver Dziekanski incident. He couldn't speak nor understand English, he was not familiar with Canadian police protocol, he was tazered several times.

The Chinese people in this incident understand English, Are residents of the country and understand why and what the police were doing and understood what the police were telling them to do. They were not tasered or handled any more roughly than it took to get them out. The police were called to have them removed because they were part of a disturbance and refused to leave. They were not beaten or tazered, I think the police showed more restraint than most of us would have. Do you expect the police to stand there like hotel doormen and wait patiently holding the door for them until they decide to come out.

[elkdump]

Originally Posted by Buckhead

If it was my grandfather, grandmother, father, mother, or any other relative, then they should be removed with whatever force is necessary.

Act like a moron and a criminal and you should be treated as such.

What's wrong with society is everyone thinks they have some special entitlement based on their age, skin color, sex, ethnic background, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum. It's enough to make me puke.

wow, such compassion,,what a waste , too bad the Stasi isn't hiring

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Buckhead

If it was my grandfather, grandmother, father, mother, or any other relative, then they should be removed with whatever force is necessary.

Act like a moron and a criminal and you should be treated as such.

What's wrong with society is everyone thinks they have some special entitlement based on their age, skin color, sex, ethnic background, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum. It's enough to make me puke.

Exactly! And if you are offered the choice of walking down the stairs on your own two feet or be dragged down the stairs, only an idiot would choose to be dragged.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Stustage

this situation kind of reminds of :Robert Dziekański, killed by the RCMP at the Vancouver International Airport in October 2007.

Not even close.