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44,000 years ago last time Canadian arctic this warm
Of course this thread is going to lead into all sorts of accusations of science not being right, the projections wrong, that models are wrong, etc. etc.
That part already is a given.
So... those whose mind is already set that global warming is not occurring this additional information means nothing.
For the rest of us this confirms that there are real changes happening.
http://m.livescience.com/40676-arcti...cord-high.html
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Climate change is perpetual, the question is what percentage is caused by man? (We always give ourselves too much credit..... or not enough)
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Climate change is perpetual, the question is what percentage is caused by man? (We always give ourselves too much credit..... or not enough)
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Are they sure it was higher amounts of solar radiation that caused the last warming? Or were the neanderthals abusing there SUVs?
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I think this will get us before global warming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdgBCqXqmy4
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10-24-2013, 01:45 PM
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44000 years ago.
How many years ago were Fred and Barney driving around?
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10-24-2013, 01:44 PM
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Ah avb3, you make me chuckle. Just because I'm skeptical of AGW does not mean I'm denying that there's any change happening.
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Of course this thread is going to lead into all sorts of accusations of science not being right, the projections wrong, that models are wrong, etc. etc.
That part already is a given.
So... those whose mind is already set that global warming is not occurring this additional information means nothing.
For the rest of us this confirms that there are real changes happening.
http://m.livescience.com/40676-arcti...cord-high.html
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......more ridiculous nonsense from the gullible. Haven't you heard?...'The Cause' was rebranded from 'Global Warming'...to oops , guess it's not really warming...."Climate Change'. It's not that it isn't 'warming,cooling, changing'...w.ever.tf you want to call it...the climate is a system in flux and
continuously dynamic......the natural signal in the climate is poorly understood at best....only arrogant alarmist/activists would think we can look at the last 150 years and make silly assumptions about a non-linear chaotic system (ie weather-climate-planetearth) with huge natural swings in temperature and natural C02 levels over huge spans of time.
Incidentally, 'projections & models' are validation of nothing...they do not confirm 'the science'....they are full of broad assumptions on 'climate drivers' and 'feedbacks' within them that are umproven. AGW itself is an unproven untested theory that lacks any empirical data to support it.
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I am so sick of this AWG thing... in fact I don't see how it could be all bad.... Southern Alberta turns into Arizona.... Great Pronghorn and Elk hunting.,....
Edmonton turns into Billings Climate....maybe draw some experienced competent NHL talent (maybe even a goalie!)
Vancouver... under 8 feet of water....
Queen Charlottes turn into Hawaii!.....
Sounds like it could be good....
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With the amount of emissions I have released today, we will be in for a long fall.
Sorry about the ice fishin guys.
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but, but, but, i'm using my corkscrew lights lol
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10-24-2013, 03:35 PM
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Ahhh yes I remember that Fall like it was only 20 000 yrs ago we were able to go out without our mammoth skin underwear on till almost December. There were too many people on the earth back then as I recall too. There was this one enviro guy always yakin about the end of the world too. I think his name was Sandstone Suzukigem . He didn't have much credibility though with his 5 caves and 12 kids
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We are in an inter glacial period of the Pliocene-Quaternary glaciation that began 2.58 million years ago.During this time there have been many freezes and thaws lasting from 40 to 100,000 years.It`s a cycle,that`s all.We are just the most advanced peoples in history and thus able to notice and worry about it.It also appears that there have been 3 major "ice ages",starting from over a billion years ago.For the most part Earth has been almost entirely ice free,even on the highest mountain peaks.
We (the human race)have a timeline smaller than a piece of a grain of sand from all the beaches in the world combined.
SO......................don`t sweat it.We ain`t wrecking the weather,it`s wrecking us.And always will.
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......more ridiculous nonsense from the gullible. Haven't you heard?...'The Cause' was rebranded from 'Global Warming'...to oops , guess it's not really warming...."Climate Change'. It's not that it isn't 'warming,cooling, changing'...w.ever.tf you want to call it...the climate is a system in flux and
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Ever wonder what the 'CC' stands for in the IPCC? (Hint: climate change). It never was the IPGW. Guess what...it's been that way since it started in 1988.
Who told you otherwise?
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Incidentally, 'projections & models' are validation of nothing...they do not confirm 'the science'....they are full of broad assumptions on 'climate drivers' and 'feedbacks' within them that are umproven. AGW itself is an unproven untested theory that lacks any empirical data to support it.
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This study is not a projection. It is in fact not tomorrow either. It is science. It's real. It doesn't guess at anything. It is looking as what happened in the past, and comparison to what is on the ground today, and is not projecting anything otherwise.
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So.....when will polar bear be on the draw list in Alberta?
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So.....when will polar bear be on the draw list in Alberta?
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put it this way, the same year you actually get drawn for your sheep or turkey.
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Well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm blowing this petro province for my true calling.
Realtor in Greenland.
If what avb parrots is true, it must be warmer in greenland now than when it was last populated.
Gonna strike it rich!
Who wants a guided Narwhal hurt?
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Science cannot prove fact....
Science is accepted hypotheses until disproven by fact....
They are judging the age of the ice cap that is melting and finding the plants that are preserved under it....
Heck My backyrd does the same every spring to reveal dandelions....
There is so much guesswork involved and then gets touted as "fact"....
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So.....when will polar bear be on the draw list in Alberta?
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When they de-list the grizz.
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ahhh, that Milankovich.
at least the geo's will get the joke.
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This study is not a projection. It is in fact not tomorrow either. It is science. It's real. It doesn't guess at anything. It is looking as what happened in the past, and comparison to what is on the ground today, and is not projecting anything otherwise.
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So what exactly were the facts 1,000, 10,000, 100,000 years ago? I'm sure you're got it all documented in a pdf, right?
Last night was one of the coldest days for game 1 of the World Series, what does that say?
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So what exactly were the facts 1,000, 10,000, 100,000 years ago? I'm sure you're got it all documented in a pdf, right?
Last night was one of the coldest days for game 1 of the World Series, what does that say?
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Please tell me you're not confusing weather with climate
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Please tell me you're not confusing weather with climate
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Ever wonder what the 'CC' stands for in the IPCC? (Hint: climate change). It never was the IPGW. Guess what...it's been that way since it started in 1988.
Who told you otherwise?
This study is not a projection. It is in fact not tomorrow either. It is science. It's real. It doesn't guess at anything. It is looking as what happened in the past, and comparison to what is on the ground today, and is not projecting anything otherwise.
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.....apparently you forgot about the 15 20 years when all the consensus media could utter was 'global warming'....then magically it was rebranded as CC. & who gives a sh*t about the IPCC?....you and dr'suki apparently, and maybe 'The Gore-acle'....the tragedy is that it's the 'Intergovernmental' panel & not something like the 'Atmospeheric Physics' panel....
The whole 'Cause' is based on projections...& apparently you're inacapable of delineating between speculation and science, not surprising....it's all part of the AGW cult....models before empirical data....belief instead of logic.
Btw the vast majority of the ice is in the Antarctic and that has been magically growing.....apparently at 30+ year highs in volume....what do your 'studies' say about that?...your fellow true-believer-cultists?.....fingers in ears as you sing 'lalalalalalal'???.
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.....apparently you forgot about the 15 20 years when all the consensus media could utter was 'global warming'....then magically it was rebranded as CC. & who gives a sh*t about the IPCC?....you and dr'suki apparently, and maybe 'The Gore-acle'....the tragedy is that it's the 'Intergovernmental' panel & not something like the 'Atmospeheric Physics' panel....
The whole 'Cause' is based on projections...& apparently you're inacapable of delineating between speculation and science, not surprising....it's all part of the AGW cult....models before empirical data....belief instead of logic.
Btw the vast majority of the ice is in the Antarctic and that has been magically growing.....apparently at 30+ year highs in volume....what do your 'studies' say about that?...your fellow true-believer-cultists?.....fingers in ears as you sing 'lalalalalalal'???.
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So you agree that the Arctic ice is less?
BTW the Antarctic ice has increases in area, BUT decreased in volume. It is not as thick anymore.
Andrew Watts and crowd never do like telling the whole story.
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So you agree that the Arctic ice is less?
BTW the Antarctic ice has increases in area, BUT decreased in volume. It is not as thick anymore.
Andrew Watts and crowd never do like telling the whole story.
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....tell me what the natural signal is in global climate?....temperature? ....ice levels?...all of it...it can't be done....so until you can prove the null hypothesis...all you have is speculation.....you can point to whatever you want but until you have the magic system of differential equations that accurately models climate vs anthropoegenic CO2 concentraions both historically and in the future all you have is rhetoric..does mother nature have a hand in your fantasy or is she exempt?....the climate cant change anymore?...we're in control are we?....150 years of data maybe the last 3rd is reliable & we understand the non-linear-chaotic system enough to make trillion dollar decisions?
......the cult is strong.
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So you agree that the Arctic ice is less?
BTW the Antarctic ice has increases in area, BUT decreased in volume. It is not as thick anymore.
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Not true. There are no accurate volume measurement over time... Just a compilation of data over 50 years to make an estimate. Future satellite data may help.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21692423
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Originally Posted by avb3
Of course this thread is going to lead into all sorts of accusations of science not being right, the projections wrong, that models are wrong, etc. etc.
That part already is a given.
So... those whose mind is already set that global warming is not occurring this additional information means nothing.
For the rest of us this confirms that there are real changes happening.
http://m.livescience.com/40676-arcti...cord-high.html
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Great point. It was colder 44000 years ago. Them dam diesel driving mammoths.
There are warm spots and cold spots. You could take a spot in Antarctica and show it is colder than ever. Still in the last 16 years it has not warmed. But wait... You folks say that doesn't count but 30 years is statistically valid. No one bought that now all of a sudden you pick 44000 years in an article to say we are warming. No one disputes the world warmed since the ice ages. Global warming is natural. So called massive increases in man made CO2 released in the last 16 years did nothing to warm the Earth... So now the panic sets in.
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Thermometers happened before the wheel!?
Who'da thunk it!
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If earthlings don't smartin up' there wont be another 100 years for the humans or any other creature on this plantet ,,co2 emissions ,poluting of our fresh water supply ,we are domed its to late
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