Access to leased grasing land denied but is this bogus??

[wbaj]

So on a recent antelope hunt down south I attempted to contact a few lease holders to obtain access permission. One particular lease holder controls massive amounts of leased grazing land, conservatively he has lease rites to over well over 20 square miles, maybe even more. Anyway I phoned him and he said he was not going to give out permission over the phone, but I was to come to the ranch door and he could then explain to me where his cattle were and what areas to avoid. I said thanks and I will see you Sunday morning.

However when I got there he told me that due to large hunter numbers he was cutting off permission to any further access!

My question is this, is this even legit!!! If so at what number does he use? 100? 10? 5, his brother-in-law only??

With over 20 square miles of space how can this be justified? In the entire time I was there I never saw a single hunter on his leased land. I did see a few cattle in a few spots but there was no way the entire leased lands were occupied by cattle.

Here is a guy who holds the lease to a very large trac of land, does not own a teaspoon of it and yet denies access to it because in his opinion hunter densities were too large.
Is this a bogus or legit reason???

[Slicktricker]

God the leased land threads are annoying

[wbaj]

Originally Posted by Slicktricker

God the leased land threads are annoying

So don't read them!!!!!!!

[Puma]

I hear you, its bogus alright. Something has to change with this system.

I have been in 3 lease auctions and the rules are explained very clearly to the bidders prior to the start. Recreational access is not to be denied, it is to be encouraged.

[bobalong]

You have been on this site for years and must know there are probably over 100 posts on this exact topic already........just do a search. I do agree with slicktricker this topic has to get the most whining each year, and there is probably more information on it than almost anything else.........just do a search.

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by bobalong

You have been on this site for years and must know there are probably over 100 posts on this exact topic already........just do a search. I do agree with slicktricker this topic has to get the most whining each year, and there is probably more information on it than almost anything else.........just do a search.

It should be asked again and again. The more traction it gets the more likelihood it’ll get fixed. We have people treating public land like private. End of story. Doesn’t matter if they fence it, corral it, clean the garbage up it is still public. It’s a old system, rife with chronyism!

[gravelbar]

Originally Posted by bobalong

You have been on this site for years and must know there are probably over 100 posts on this exact topic already........just do a search. I do agree with slicktricker this topic has to get the most whining each year, and there is probably more information on it than almost anything else.........just do a search.

This would be the type of whining I was thinking of.

[Xbolt7mm]

Originally Posted by bobalong

You have been on this site for years and must know there are probably over 100 posts on this exact topic already........just do a search. I do agree with slicktricker this topic has to get the most whining each year, and there is probably more information on it than almost anything else.........just do a search.

Then don’t open it!!! If everyone was told there was already a thread on that and to search, there would be no new threads, almost everything has been asked on here. How many “ is a 243 good for elk” threads are there but all you guys keep answering it. It’s clear what the thread was about so don’t open it and if you open it then don’t waste everyone else’s time that have a decent response.

[AlbertaWild]

Originally Posted by wbaj

So on a recent antelope hunt down south I attempted to contact a few lease holders to obtain access permission. One particular lease holder controls massive amounts of leased grazing land, conservatively he has lease rites to over well over 20 square miles, maybe even more. Anyway I phoned him and he said he was not going to give out permission over the phone, but I was to come to the ranch door and he could then explain to me where his cattle were and what areas to avoid. I said thanks and I will see you Sunday morning.

However when I got there he told me that due to large hunter numbers he was cutting off permission to any further access!

My question is this, is this even legit!!! If so at what number does he use? 100? 10? 5, his brother-in-law only??

With over 20 square miles of space how can this be justified? In the entire time I was there I never saw a single hunter on his leased land. I did see a few cattle in a few spots but there was no way the entire leased lands were occupied by cattle.

Here is a guy who holds the lease to a very large trac of land, does not own a teaspoon of it and yet denies access to it because in his opinion hunter densities were too large.
Is this a bogus or legit reason???

I had the same problem accessing elsewere ...1 st the person said he has cattle on it, then gave me a week when cattle will be off the lease. Then says there are many hunters who are waiting to access too... so i just said give me a day when there is no hunters on it then... and im still waiting... i would suggest callimg the settlement officer for that area.... i think us hunters need some kind of system to know where a specific tag was drawn and know were there going to hunt so we know if the GRL Holder is all Bull ****ing all hunters... we all need to be on the same page... or they need to change the Alberta GRL rules to access. Ownly foot access on all GRL with out contact.... its Canadian Land... we should be able to hunt GRL n Crown.

[ram crazy]

That's the problem with the younger generation. They all think that it is there god given right to have everything, and if I don't get it I'm going to pi$$ and moan until I get what I want. There are a lot of careless slobs out there that think they can do whatever they want.

[rcmc]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

That's the problem with the younger generation. They all think that it is there god given right to have everything, and if I don't get it I'm going to pi$$ and moan until I get what I want. There are a lot of careless slobs out there that think they can do whatever they want.

Can't argue with that.

[Big Lou]

Honestly, I’ve never had anything I would even call an altercation with a Lease Holder. I know and have met and or talked with quite a number. In the case of my recent antelope hunt, there were fire bans on up until October 3rd in the areas I was drawn in. I never even bothered calling any lease holders until I saw that ban lifted. I own some land myself and truthfully, whether lease or deeded if it were me; I’d probably be denying access too if there was an inherent risk. Some may argue with me but in my eyes in those areas there was indeed. I was content with hunting PGR land that I could get on. Once I saw the fire ban was off, I started calling around and even though some of my calls were outside of requested notice period not once did I get denied or one bit of flack. One fellow in particular I conversed with for nearly an hour just shooting the breeze.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t agree with nor would I let myself be subject to someone in possession of a lease bending or breaking the rules in regard to fair access. That being said and point in fact, there are conditions that arise where access can be denied and they are well within their rights set out in the agreements to deny. A lease being cheaper than deeded land as an argument holds little merit in the discussion as far as I’m concerned. If there was potential for damage such as in the case of a fire ban, I’d probably be exercising my ability to protect my investment too.

To be clear, I do not have any lease land, only deeded but I do believe that a person has to try and see things as if the shoe were on the other foot and that train of thought should work both ways.

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

That's the problem with the younger generation. They all think that it is there god given right to have everything, and if I don't get it I'm going to pi$$ and moan until I get what I want. There are a lot of careless slobs out there that think they can do whatever they want.

So how does this even apply to the conversation? We are talking about public property and people potentially being denied entry. While following the legislated rules? So this somehow is a reflection of some entitled generation? What a straw man of an argument. Nice deflect. Let’s entertain it...
So this entitled generation should just shut up and appreciated the fact that someone has taken public domain and is treating it as private? What a joke. And as for the slob part sure there’s tons. And they’re turning our crown into a dump site. But that’s always been happening.

[Xiph0id]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

That's the problem with the younger generation. They all think that it is there god given right to have everything, and if I don't get it I'm going to pi$$ and moan until I get what I want. There are a lot of careless slobs out there that think they can do whatever they want.

This is a **** poor answer.

He wasn't asking for everything.

Just 1 lease.

And, he sounded far from careless.

OP, call the leasing office. They have always been helpful to me.

[rcmc]

Originally Posted by AlbertaWild

I had the same problem accessing elsewere ...1 st the person said he has cattle on it, then gave me a week when cattle will be off the lease. Then says there are many hunters who are waiting to access too... so i just said give me a day when there is no hunters on it then... and im still waiting... i would suggest callimg the settlement officer for that area.... i think us hunters need some kind of system to know where a specific tag was drawn and know were there going to hunt so we know if the GRL Holder is all Bull ****ing all hunters... we all need to be on the same page... or they need to change the Alberta GRL rules to access. Ownly foot access on all GRL with out contact.... its Canadian Land... we should be able to hunt GRL n Crown.

It's actually provincial land not federal.

[JWCalgary]

Originally Posted by wbaj

So on a recent antelope hunt down south I attempted to contact a few lease holders to obtain access permission. One particular lease holder controls massive amounts of leased grazing land, conservatively he has lease rites to over well over 20 square miles, maybe even more. Anyway I phoned him and he said he was not going to give out permission over the phone, but I was to come to the ranch door and he could then explain to me where his cattle were and what areas to avoid. I said thanks and I will see you Sunday morning.

However when I got there he told me that due to large hunter numbers he was cutting off permission to any further access!

My question is this, is this even legit!!! If so at what number does he use? 100? 10? 5, his brother-in-law only??

With over 20 square miles of space how can this be justified? In the entire time I was there I never saw a single hunter on his leased land. I did see a few cattle in a few spots but there was no way the entire leased lands were occupied by cattle.

Here is a guy who holds the lease to a very large trac of land, does not own a teaspoon of it and yet denies access to it because in his opinion hunter densities were too large.
Is this a bogus or legit reason???

Call the local settlement officer to have the issue sorted.

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[Weedy1]

Originally Posted by bobalong

You have been on this site for years and must know there are probably over 100 posts on this exact topic already........just do a search. I do agree with slicktricker this topic has to get the most whining each year, and there is probably more information on it than almost anything else.........just do a search.

.....and you've been around long enough to know many many many many many many topics are rehashed over and over and over and over and over again. Some people ask the same questions others have posed beforehand due to the likelihood there may have been changes to the policies/rules/regulations in regards to their question. I think blowing a guy off and telling them to use the search function is one of the most ignorant responses to a fellows post anyone can make, at least next to the proverbial beating a dead horse GIF.

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by Weedy1

.....and you've been around long enough to know many many many many many many topics are rehashed over and over and over and over and over again. Some people ask the same questions others have posed beforehand due to the likelihood there may have been changes to the policies/rules/regulations in regards to their question. I think blowing a guy off and telling them to use the search function is one of the most ignorant responses to a fellows post anyone can make, at least next to the proverbial beating a dead horse GIF.

It appears that ignorant responses are something you do know about. Any discussions about Lease Land always brings out your kind......carry on

[300magman]

I hate seeing these threads pop up....people need to be really careful what they wish for. One day if we see grazing leases disappear as many would wish, we will be left with a zoo of hunters on what was the grazing leases, and landowners shutting their doors on their deeded land to the hunters that fought them so hard on this issue. Are there issues with grazing leases? Yes. Could it be managed better? Depends who you ask. But I can guarantee you that if there was zero control on them and they fully reverted to crown control, then the saddle hills on Sept 17 would seem like a remote location with very little pressure compared to what you would see on the grazing leases. Anyone who thinks that having grazing leases operating as unrestricted crown land does will result in a hunting paradise is delusional, they would become overcrowded, overhunted dumping grounds like many easy to access crown land areas we have now. It's the unfortunate reality.

With all the time guys spend fighting with landowners and getting the settlement officer involved, I darn near guarantee they could find some private land to hunt. And I know that doesn't fix the problems and people will say we shouldnt roll over and let the so called "abuse" continue, but it's a reality. Pick your battles and trust me when I say that battling with landowners will help no one.