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Why doesn't matter, for every opinion there is a counter opinion .
There are also lots who think the 6.5 Creedmoor is superior to the .303 British for killing deer, but they can't prove it either.
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Well, anyone who doubts the 270 being effective vs deer is pretty much working against 97 yrs of history and on heavy opiates so it'd be a short discussion I guess. I have to admit being taken somewhat aback by the suggestion to be honest because there would be zero suggesting it isnt. There's opinions and then there's......
Next up, the 30-06.
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Well, anyone who doubts the 270 being effective vs deer is pretty much working against 97 yrs of history and on heavy opiates so it'd be a short discussion I guess. I have to admit being taken somewhat aback by the suggestion to be honest because there would be zero suggesting it isnt. There's opinions and then there's......
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I seem to remember a fella named Keith that considered the 270 "a pretty good coyote cartridge" his words not mine
Lots of people don't consider the 6.5 Creedmoor a decent deer round either......
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Only shoot targets with my 22-250. Bullets will go through a 3/8 piece of flat iron. If that isn't enough I'm not sure what is.
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Well, hell yes! Good one man. Made me smile.
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01-14-2022, 07:04 PM
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I seem to remember a fella named Keith that considered the 270 "a pretty good coyote cartridge" his words not mine
Lots of people don't consider the 6.5 Creedmoor a decent deer round either......
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Elmer kinda had his own mandate and was obviously on said heavy opiates at the time. Proof that a number of the old timers, some revered, often had no clue.
I believe Elmer, when he could actually put 2 words together that made sense also told of his 600-yard shot on a mule deer with his .44 Magnum. He was also a well noted O'Connor hater.
Short story. He was wrong. And that's not even an opinion.
Wonder how Elmer would have felt about the 22-250/wolf conversation. Probably that the 22-250 is a "pretty good sparrow cartridge."
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One great thing about having a 270 win while lake hunting is if you forget your anchor ,there great for that .
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Jack O'Conner loved the 270 and wrote a lot about it.
But then again, he was a p*sstank.
Another way to show that you are under the influence or just plain ignorant is to run down Elmer Keith on a gun forum.
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Well, anyone who doubts the 270 being effective vs deer is pretty much working against 97 yrs of history and on heavy opiates so it'd be a short discussion I guess. I have to admit being taken somewhat aback by the suggestion to be honest because there would be zero suggesting it isnt. There's opinions and then there's......
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So, if age is the requirement to be a great wolf cartridge the the 6.5x55 beats the .270 by a few decades so I guess it is the only cartridge that should even be considered?
If I only had a 22-250 and a wolf stepped out I wouldn't think twice. actually if I had my .204 I would still make the same call. But some like recoil cause it is like wearing white sunglasses I guess.
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01-15-2022, 05:07 AM
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15 lbs of recoil, roughly double that of a .243, is generally accepted as the cut off point for some to develop a flinch. If its going to happen.
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thanks 270 I didn't know that. Just going from personal experience on my behalf. significant improvement on accuracy when I dropped to a .243.
Sure do miss the punch that 270 wsm has. I now understand thank you for the info. Appreciate ya.
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Don’t mean this as a slight against any one person, but this is possibly the most stupid argument on AO that I can ever recall. Shoot whatever the hell you want within the bounds of the law. Go outside fellas. It has warmed up nicely.
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01-15-2022, 01:20 PM
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While headed home after work I come up on a pack of 5 wolves running down a lease road at 4am. I hit the gas and hit the rear one dead centre at 65kmh. Rolled right over him with a couple thumps. My choice of weapon at the time was a 2010 Dodge megacab 2500 diesel. I stopped to pick it up an low and behold he up and takes off. Looked again the next morning. Tracked him for a mile and a half. Never found him. A week later while in the same area I came across a black wolf running across a clear cut in the same area. A running shot at 150 yards with my 22-250 flattened him between lunges. So my choice is definitely 22-250 now.
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01-15-2022, 01:32 PM
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Don’t mean this as a slight against any one person, but this is possibly the most stupid argument on AO that I can ever recall. Shoot whatever the hell you want within the bounds of the law. Go outside fellas. It has warmed up nicely.
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I don't even think it makes top 10 lol
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While headed home after work I come up on a pack of 5 wolves running down a lease road at 4am. I hit the gas and hit the rear one dead centre at 65kmh. Rolled right over him with a couple thumps. My choice of weapon at the time was a 2010 Dodge megacab 2500 diesel. I stopped to pick it up an low and behold he up and takes off. Looked again the next morning. Tracked him for a mile and a half. Never found him. A week later while in the same area I came across a black wolf running across a clear cut in the same area. A running shot at 150 yards with my 22-250 flattened him between lunges. So my choice is definitely 22-250 now.
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Would have had a better chance killing it with a 3500. Or better yet a 5500
Bigger is always better
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While headed home after work I come up on a pack of 5 wolves running down a lease road at 4am. I hit the gas and hit the rear one dead centre at 65kmh. Rolled right over him with a couple thumps. My choice of weapon at the time was a 2010 Dodge megacab 2500 diesel. I stopped to pick it up an low and behold he up and takes off. Looked again the next morning. Tracked him for a mile and a half. Never found him. A week later while in the same area I came across a black wolf running across a clear cut in the same area. A running shot at 150 yards with my 22-250 flattened him between lunges. So my choice is definitely 22-250 now.
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That’s cruel man! I understand if it was Turd but not a poor doggy!
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Originally Posted by Backwoods Runner
While headed home after work I come up on a pack of 5 wolves running down a lease road at 4am. I hit the gas and hit the rear one dead centre at 65kmh. Rolled right over him with a couple thumps. My choice of weapon at the time was a 2010 Dodge megacab 2500 diesel. I stopped to pick it up an low and behold he up and takes off. Looked again the next morning. Tracked him for a mile and a half. Never found him. A week later while in the same area I came across a black wolf running across a clear cut in the same area. A running shot at 150 yards with my 22-250 flattened him between lunges. So my choice is definitely 22-250 now.
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Read Alberta hunting regulations. General Prohibitions ...Rule # 2
Sportsman do not let animals die a slow painful death.........TOTAL BS
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While headed home after work I come up on a pack of 5 wolves running down a lease road at 4am. I hit the gas and hit the rear one dead centre at 65kmh. Rolled right over him with a couple thumps. My choice of weapon at the time was a 2010 Dodge megacab 2500 diesel. I stopped to pick it up an low and behold he up and takes off. Looked again the next morning. Tracked him for a mile and a half. Never found him. A week later while in the same area I came across a black wolf running across a clear cut in the same area. A running shot at 150 yards with my 22-250 flattened him between lunges. So my choice is definitely 22-250 now.
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If ya would have smoked him with a black dually 3500 with a pool noodle hanging out the window that wolf wouldn’t have stood a chance of getting back up….
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Read Alberta hunting regulations. General Prohibitions ...Rule # 2
Sportsman do not let animals die a slow painful death.........TOTAL BS
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People don't read those, had a new hunter this year tell me “I didn’t read the regs there are to many adds I didn’t think they where real” No wonder some people people think game have harder scapulas than pistol rated body armour or 3/8 mild steel plates. We live in the times of alternative facts
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Originally Posted by Battle Rat
Jack O'Conner loved the 270 and wrote a lot about it.
But then again, he was a p*sstank.
Another way to show that you are under the influence or just plain ignorant is to run down Elmer Keith on a gun forum.
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Jack was a university English and journalism professor that never rose to the baiting coming from Keith. Keith despised him. Likely because O'Connor was "well read," well respected, and didn't require a big bore to tip over animals.
Keith was a champion of the large bore wildcats, in particular the .33 versions. Stating the .270 was and is a coyote rifle at best says a lot about him.
Could always start a poll and see how many agree with his 270 thoughts if you're so inclined. Pretty sure its a hunting and firearms discussion site too no?
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So, if age is the requirement to be a great wolf cartridge the the 6.5x55 beats the .270 by a few decades so I guess it is the only cartridge that should even be considered?
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No clue where you picked up on me saying the 270 is a great wolf cartridge, the best cartridge for anything, or that origin dates have anything to do with the conversation.
I was simply responding, and chuckling, about it being suitable for nothing but coyotes.
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One great thing about having a 270 win while lake hunting is if you forget your anchor ,there great for that .
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Never hunted a lake so no idea. Deer, moose, elk, bear, etc but never a lake.
Thanks for the remarkable insight tho.
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Don’t mean this as a slight against any one person, but this is possibly the most stupid argument on AO that I can ever recall. Shoot whatever the hell you want within the bounds of the law. Go outside fellas. It has warmed up nicely.
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you forgot the covid thread
back to the post...22-250 will kill a dam wolf period...better than a flinch and a miss on a braked 340 Weatherby...
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I’ve killed a lot of wolves at many different ranges with my 22-250 Varmint with 55gr. Have never had a wounded get away. Great gun, cheap ammo.
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Nice !
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back to the post...22-250 will kill a dam wolf period...better than a flinch and a miss on a braked 340 Weatherby...
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A little more bench time may cure you of that flinch
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I’ve killed a lot of wolves at many different ranges with my 22-250 Varmint with 55gr. Have never had a wounded get away. Great gun, cheap ammo.
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x2 Like I said earlier I used a 220 swift ,35 grains of varget 55 grain bullet and did very well. On a frozen lake the wind now buggers me up for my POI after a certain range so I go to a bit heaver cartridge . Hunting ON and I mean ON a lake can be challenge specially if they get the jump on me.
Enjoy your hunts guys and gals .
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x2 Like I said earlier I used a 220 swift ,35 grains of varget 55 grain bullet and did very well. On a frozen lake the wind now buggers me up for my POI after a certain range so I go to a bit heaver cartridge . Hunting ON and I mean ON a lake can be challenge specially if they get the jump on me.
Enjoy your hunts guys and gals .
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Exactly
Can a 22 250 kill a wolf, yes
Is it the best choice, probably not
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A little more bench time may cure you of that flinch
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Won’t let me cuz I got a brake on it seems they can’t handle it either.
Wasn’t there another all mighty cartridge thread that could out do all?
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Won’t let me cuz I got a brake on it seems they can’t handle it either.
Wasn’t there another all mighty cartridge thread that could out do all?
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Haven’t seen a 30-06 6.5 creed or 308 thread in a while.
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Won’t let me cuz I got a brake on it seems they can’t handle it either.
Wasn’t there another all mighty cartridge thread that could out do all?
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Get rid of the brake. Unless it's an ultralight, a .340wby on a MKV platform is hardly a big boomer.
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One of the biggest wolves I killed was with a 100 grain montec broadhead…
Do you think a 125 grain would’ve been better?
Don’t matter what your shooting them with as long as your shooting them.
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