Cougar Attack

parfleche · #1 05-20-2018, 10:55 AM

Cougar in Washington State killed one and injured another yesterday .

artie · #2 05-20-2018, 11:00 AM

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/20/coug...r-seattle.html

here is a link there are others on goggle

Bushrat · #3 05-20-2018, 11:01 AM

It attacked one guy so his buddy came to his aid and ended up getting killed. Saw it on KOMO Seattle news this morning.

sage 13 · #4 05-20-2018, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bushrat

It attacked one guy so his buddy came to his aid and ended up getting killed. Saw it on KOMO Seattle news this morning.

Not quite what the report says.

Selkirk · #5 05-20-2018, 11:35 AM

Never run from a cougar.

Selkirk

Taco · #6 05-20-2018, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Selkirk

Never run from a cougar.

Selkirk

either species?

TimeOff · #7 05-20-2018, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco

either species?

With the other species you excuse yourself to the washroom and hope it has a window to crawl out!

grouse_hunter · #8 05-20-2018, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by artie

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/20/coug...r-seattle.html

here is a link there are others on goggle

Sad story, especially if one considers that the two people involved are described as friends. What kind of a pusillanimous schmuck turns his back on a friend who's being attacked by a wild animal and runs away?!

artie · #9 05-20-2018, 02:21 PM

I guess whenever and whoever heads to the hills these days should be prepared for the worst. They now recommend each person carry two cans of bear spray and practice mock encounters so you are ready. I thought in the states you can carry handguns or maybe not that state.

Bushrat · #10 05-20-2018, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sage 13

Not quite what the report says.

Different news reports.

CaberTosser · #11 05-20-2018, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by grouse_hunter

Sad story, especially if one considers that the two people involved are described as friends. What kind of a pusillanimous schmuck turns his back on a friend who's being attacked by a wild animal and runs away?!

My thoughts exactly. Now the guy will have to live with being a coward forever. He'll either smarten up and start arming himself properly when heading into the wild or perhaps he'll never venture out into the woods again. Maybe the guilt will be too much an he'll eventually self-terminate? I can't imagine an instance where I'd leave a friend in that situation; it was the woods so there would have been trees, a fast scrounge for a stick to use as a weapon would be faster than cycling a few km to make a phone call. Heck, the bikes themselves would make for improvised weapons, or at the very least be used as a shield. These guys were underprepared and devoid of the mental tools to deal with adversity, when your answer to such a dire circumstance is to scurry away and call emergency services then you shouldn't be out there in the first place.

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I thought in the states you can carry handguns or maybe not that state.

Washington is an open-carry State according to the Wikipedia entry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Washington

parfleche · #12 05-20-2018, 03:10 PM

How many here have been in this situation and can say without reserve they would stand and do something? Perhaps there was nothing to hit the cat with ? except throwing the bike at it, But whatever the situation was take a breath and be careful judging someone else about this attack , ,maybe the run away was handicapped who knows ? I like to think I would have stood my ground BUT i do not know the circumstances , therefore I refuse to judge!

laus · #13 05-20-2018, 03:12 PM

So sad

Selkirk · #14 05-20-2018, 03:30 PM

Another article (including video) on this story ... http://komonews.com/news/local/crews...ear-north-bend

Selkirk

sage 13 · #15 05-20-2018, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushrat

Different news reports.

Still haven't seen one as you described it.

Bushrat · #16 05-20-2018, 05:12 PM

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Still haven't seen one as you described it.

That's ok, I reported what they said at that time, they were reporting it as breaking news and would give more details as information became available. It was KOMO TV, Seattle. I didn`t memorize it word for word, perhaps you could call them and ask for a transcript if it's important to you. The announcer reporting the story said one biker was being mauled, the other biker came over presumably to help him, the cat left the original victim and attacked the second biker, the original injured attack victim then got to his bike and rode away for help. The second biker died, the original biker who was the first to be attacked was in hospital with serious injuries at that time. I don't make the news, stories change as more information comes to light. That was at 5:30 AM this morning Alberta time, 4:30 AM Seattle time.

srs123 · #17 05-20-2018, 07:45 PM

What a friend. Died protecting a friend who wouldn’t do the same for him

Hope he gets what he deserves

Big Grey Wolf · #18 05-21-2018, 08:16 AM

Sad story showing dangers in our woods. Did a review of fatal bear attacks and was surprising how many people were killed biking or running. It appears cougars and bears perceive a fleeing person is not a threat and encourages an attack.

MK2750 · #19 05-21-2018, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by srs123

What a friend. Died protecting a friend who wouldn’t do the same for him

Hope he gets what he deserves

From what I read, the survivor was initially attacked. His buddy left him and made a run for it. The cat's chase response kicked in and he left victim one and went off in pursuit of the other guy. The survivor seized this opportunity to flee on his bike.

It sounds to me like neither had any interest in anything but self preservation, however if I was being attacked and my buddy made a run for it I would have mixed emotions when the animal left me and went after the coward.

By the time the attack on victim two took place, victim one (the survivor) may have been in an uncontrollable state of shock. A person should not be held responsible for their actions when truly in shock. I have seen accident victims that didn't even know where they were or what had happened.

parfleche · #20 05-21-2018, 10:18 AM

Be careful who you call coward , you never know what life has in store for you ! This is pathetic enough without accusations . When life is in the balance, strong men sometimes have weak reactions!

CaberTosser · #21 05-21-2018, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by parfleche

Be careful who you call coward , you never know what life has in store for you ! This is pathetic enough without accusations . When life is in the balance, strong men sometimes have weak reactions!

Accusations? The proof is in the pudding! Dude ran (cycled) away and didn't present a united front with his buddy, which was really the best option for both to survive. Buddy died as a result. That's a flat out coward however one cuts it.

Selkirk · #22 05-21-2018, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MK2750

From what I read, the survivor was initially attacked. His buddy left him and made a run for it. The cat's chase response kicked in and he left victim one and went off in pursuit of the other guy. The survivor seized this opportunity to flee on his bike.

It sounds to me like neither had any interest in anything but self preservation, however if I was being attacked and my buddy made a run for it I would have mixed emotions when the animal left me and went after the coward.

By the time the attack on victim two took place, victim one (the survivor) may have been in an uncontrollable state of shock. A person should not be held responsible for their actions when truly in shock. I have seen accident victims that didn't even know where they were or what had happened.

That ^

Some here are too quick to pull out the 'Coward' card ... and based only on a news article.
Sadly, it seems to be common practice here on the AOF.

Selkirk

KGB · #23 05-21-2018, 11:26 AM

What really sad to see are the responses from the keyboard warriors here. I wanna see your reaction when your head gets into the lions mouth, I bet that beside a huge load in your pants you won’t think of much anything at all! It’s easy to judge the attacked person sitting home and reading the story in a paper.
You never know how your body going to react under the Adrenalin shock. Even if you have a rifle in your hands. These two poor buggers had no means of defending themselves. And the first reaction of an untrained person in a cituation like this is to run. Just plain human physiology.
Very tragic story.

huntsfurfish · #24 05-21-2018, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MK2750

From what I read, the survivor was initially attacked. His buddy left him and made a run for it. The cat's chase response kicked in and he left victim one and went off in pursuit of the other guy. The survivor seized this opportunity to flee on his bike.

It sounds to me like neither had any interest in anything but self preservation, however if I was being attacked and my buddy made a run for it I would have mixed emotions when the animal left me and went after the coward.

By the time the attack on victim two took place, victim one (the survivor) may have been in an uncontrollable state of shock. A person should not be held responsible for their actions when truly in shock. I have seen accident victims that didn't even know where they were or what had happened.

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Originally Posted by parfleche

Be careful who you call coward , you never know what life has in store for you ! This is pathetic enough without accusations . When life is in the balance, strong men sometimes have weak reactions!

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Originally Posted by Selkirk

That ^

Some here are too quick to pull out the 'Coward' card ... and based only on a news article.
Sadly, it seems to be common practice here on the AOF.

Selkirk

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Originally Posted by KGB

What really sad to see are the responses from the keyboard warriors here! For f sake guys, seriously? I wanna see your reaction when your head gets into the lions mouth, I bet that beside a huge load in your pants you won’t think of much anything at all! It’s easy to judge the attacked person sitting home and reading the story in a paper.
You never know how your body going to react under the Adrenalin shock. Even if you have a rifle in your hands. These two poor buggers had no means of defending themselves. And the first reaction of an untrained person in a cituation like this is to run. Just plain human physiology.
Very tragic story.

These posts ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ thumbs up!

One survived one did not. Sad day for them and their families.

Weedy1 · #25 05-21-2018, 01:14 PM

I bet there isn't one guy on this site that is capable of holding a 10lb domestic cat in their lap if it decided to freak out and half of them would probably pee their pants if attacked by one but here we are talking about fending off a Cougar with an intent to kill. Hmmmm ya right......

Bigrib · #26 05-21-2018, 01:42 PM

So as reported the survivor was attacked first and suffered wounds , his friend ran away and was attacked and killed . The survivor cycled away to safety .

So did the survivor see his friend killed and then cycled away ? Or was the survivors bleeding scalp peeled 3/4 off his head and hanging over his eyes and disoriented so he reacted the way he did ? The truth is we don't know how it exactly unfolded .

We weren't there so to label someone a coward is dumb thing to say .

CaberTosser · #27 05-21-2018, 01:44 PM

The keyboard warrior thing go both ways fellas.

What parent here would run away as their child is being attacked by a cougar? That's where my perspective is coming from, take it or leave it but I'm fully entitled to hold such a belief. I've also had plenty of instances where I've been running towards a problem rather than fleeing it so I know exactly where my cojones are when the poop hits the fan. Sometimes fleeing is absolutely the right thing to do (take an uncontrollable fire for one instance) but in this instance I maintain that a united front was the best chance for both to survive. A simple $35 can of bear spray could have saved his buddy for Pete's sake. An ounce of prevention is much cheaper than a funeral home invoice.

The scenario that maybe the survivor knew the other fellow was already dead is plausible and has merit, but if it wasn't the case......

Dick284 · #28 05-21-2018, 01:52 PM

I think the term is arm chair quarterbacking, or Monday morning quarterbacking is appropriate .

We can pontificate upon what has been reported.
Or,

If you’ve ever had first hand knowledge of an event being reported by the media, you’d know damn well that the media is big on hype and slim on facts 80% of the time.

One guy got mauled, and one guy got killed, that’s all I can gleen for facts outta this.

The dead guy is still in the morgue, yet we wish to wring our hands in his blood.

Sad state of affairs for humanity I’d say.

270person · #29 05-21-2018, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by parfleche

How many here have been in this situation and can say without reserve they would stand and do something? Perhaps there was nothing to hit the cat with ? except throwing the bike at it, But whatever the situation was take a breath and be careful judging someone else about this attack , ,maybe the run away was handicapped who knows ? I like to think I would have stood my ground BUT i do not know the circumstances , therefore I refuse to judge!

x2. Lots of slef-described macho man types posting but not one of them knows what they'd do in the event of a wild animal attack. Same guys who would have run into the Florida school with their handguns to easily subdue the shooter I guess. Didn't Trump actually state that that's what HE would have done?

270person · #30 05-21-2018, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Weedy1

I bet there isn't one guy on this site that is capable of holding a 10lb domestic cat in their lap if it decided to freak out and half of them would probably pee their pants if attacked by one but here we are talking about fending off a Cougar with an intent to kill. Hmmmm ya right......

Well said.