Gun Control in the US - Background Checks

[EZM]

Did not want to derail other thread or mix it with the Florida incident other than as a point of reference ...

I saw something on the news that said, essentially that the current administration reversed a law that had some provisions including background checks that likely would have prevented the perpetrator from acquiring a weapon (or at least made it significantly more difficult as some will likely argue).

The story also showed that 95% of the US citizens support background checks and over 66% of gun owners also support this ......

So why in the world would you reverse this law? Was there additional provisions that were unpalatable in the same bill or was this just a stupid and senseless reversal of something "Obama" did that dear old Trump wants to undo just because of his ego and narcissistic attempts to undo anything and everything the former administration achieved (for better or worse).

Just curious to hear from people here who might be more up to speed on the details here .....

[Trochu]

From what I understand, the guy doesn't have a history of mental illness, they are suggesting he was mentally ill because of his actions. I doubt the law would have impeded his ability to obtain a firearm at all.

[Carriertxv]

I’m sure Trump will be blamed for pulling the trigger soon.

[densa44]

You will get answers that imply plots of various kinds, just like in other posts but if you saw how they passed the 700 page budget with hand written margin notes, many (all) of the politicians didn't read it.

Here is my opinion, and I'm quoting my father who worked in government all his life; "never impute planning where incompetence will predict the phenomenon equally well".

Thus, I know that they passed the bill but with all the other provisions I don't think that they knew that they made it possible to the mentally ill to legally buy firearms.

I know it is a terrible way to run a government but it happens everywhere.

Now the problem is and it is a BIG one, who wants to admit that they voted for a bill and didn't read it.

In other situations, not politics, they blame the gardener and move on.

[RavYak]

Originally Posted by EZM

So why in the world would you reverse this law? Was there additional provisions that were unpalatable in the same bill or was this just a stupid and senseless reversal of something "Obama" did that dear old Trump wants to undo just because of his ego and narcissistic attempts to undo anything and everything the former administration achieved (for better or worse).

The NRA and other groups/people oppose any and all changes to gun laws down there no matter how much sense they make.

You don't even need a license to purchase a firearm in many states. Completely ridiculous and it is not surprising that they have the highest firearm related issues of any developed nation.

[coastalhunter]

Originally Posted by RavYak

The NRA and other groups/people oppose any and all changes to gun laws down there no matter how much sense they make.

You don't even need a license to purchase a firearm in many states. Completely ridiculous and it is not surprising that they have the highest firearm related issues of any developed nation.

In a private sale. But who's to say Mike is checking Steves PAL here at home?

FFL's (?) do require paperwork and background checks.

[bigbaddad]

Originally Posted by RavYak

The NRA and other groups/people oppose any and all changes to gun laws down there no matter how much sense they make.

You don't even need a license to purchase a firearm in many states. Completely ridiculous and it is not surprising that they have the highest firearm related issues of any developed nation.

If you remove DC, Chicago, New Orleans and I believe Los Angeles, the cities with the strictest gun laws, I might add, the US drops to 8 on the list... Food for thought.

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[Newview01]

Well isn’t that something. You would think an assault weapons ban would have rendered this charachter harmless.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27371...ign=benshapiro

Prosecutors in Maryland say that an 18-year-old man they arrested last week for bringing a gun to school also had grenades, a C-4 landmine detonator, a bulletproof vest, and “an AR-15 style rifle” in a state that has had an assault weapons ban in place for years.

Montgomery County Police charged the young man on February 15 “with possession of a handgun, possession of a firearm by a person under 21 years old and possession of a firearm on school property after the incident,” WJLA reported.


Prosecutors say that the accused student, who is being held without bond, had purportedly brought a gun to school once before in a separate incident.

The defense for the accused student claimed that he “has no evidence of mental health and that he has completely cooperated with authorities” and that he is “an honor roll student with scholarship offers from two universities.”

[Newview01]

Hehe, had to laugh at this one.

http://wnep.com/2018/02/19/parents-c...g-of-firearms/

DREHER TOWNSHIP -- Parents are expressing concern after a church announced it will hold a ceremony next week, and worshipers are encouraged to bring assault weapons with them, and the ceremony will be just down the road from an elementary school.

The ceremony in Wayne County was planned before the mass shooting at a high school in Florida last week.

Church leaders still plan to go ahead with the blessing ceremony, which has some parents of elementary school students on edge.

Sanctuary Church and Rod of Iron Ministries are one in the same, run by the Moon family from South Korea who started the controversial Unification Church.

Church leaders tell Newswatch 16 that state police wanted to know what the ceremony next week involving AR-15-style rifles is all about.

At 10 a.m. next Wednesday, church leaders expect up to 600 people for a blessing ceremony, and many of those people are expected to be armed with AR-15s, the gun used in recent mass shootings across the country.

"This will be a big thing for us. It's a new stage for us because it incorporates the rod of iron, as it is in Revelations. Revelations talks about the returning Christ ruling with the rod of iron."

Tim Elder sat down with Newswatch 16 to explain the beliefs of the church, led by the Reverend Sean Moon.

Moon is the son of the late Sun Myung Moon, who founded the controversial Unification Church that drew national attention in the 1970s and '80s. The Rod of Iron Ministries is an offshoot of that religious organization focusing on what it believes is the right of families to defend themselves with assault weapons.

"This rod of iron is the AR-15, in today's terms."

The Moon family also owns Kahr Arms, a gunmaker that moved to Pike County a couple years ago. Newswatch 16 was at the opening ceremony at that time in Blooming Grove Township.

Church leaders say the AR-15s will not be loaded for the ceremony next week and safety zip ties will be used. However, state police are involved. Elder says troopers have reached out for more information.

Just down the road from the church is Wallenpaupack South Elementary School with 280 students, plus teachers and staff. In light of recent gun violence at schools, the planned ceremony with assault weapons is concerning for parents.

"It's something I would consider keeping my child home. It's scary," said Liz Zoccola.

"I wish they wouldn't have it at all. I don't think there's a good time to have it, especially this close," Kendra Hanor said.

The ceremony was planned before last week's deadly rampage at a high school in Florida.

Wallenpaupack Area school officials are deciding what, if anything, the school will do next Wednesday in response to the ceremony down the road.

[hilt134]

Originally Posted by EZM

Did not want to derail other thread or mix it with the Florida incident other than as a point of reference ...

I saw something on the news that said, essentially that the current administration reversed a law that had some provisions including background checks that likely would have prevented the perpetrator from acquiring a weapon (or at least made it significantly more difficult as some will likely argue).

The story also showed that 95% of the US citizens support background checks and over 66% of gun owners also support this ......

So why in the world would you reverse this law? Was there additional provisions that were unpalatable in the same bill or was this just a stupid and senseless reversal of something "Obama" did that dear old Trump wants to undo just because of his ego and narcissistic attempts to undo anything and everything the former administration achieved (for better or worse).

Just curious to hear from people here who might be more up to speed on the details here .....

From what I understand is that the lawthey repealed was if a person is deemed to be unable to do one thing for mental or physical reason they should also be considered unable to buy a gun. There was also an issue with the balance of power and mixing of different government departments.

It's a few days after a shooting so any news is going to be skewed fact is the law had little to do with actual mental health. Ben Shapiro talked about it. The guys pretty factual and he tells you his bias so I'd trust him more than most.

I think the basis was that if you where old and considered unable to take care of your own money you shouldn't be able to own a gun. But in America the firearm owner ship in a constitutional right and that created an issue

[bobalong]

Move on folks just another lame anti-gun, anti-trump, anti-NRA, thread.

[hilt134]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Move on folks just another lame anti-gun, anti-trump, anti-NRA, thread.

Well guns are good.trump is meh and the NRA is garbage. Also conversation is the best part because all of these aspects need changes if we just ignore it things will always suck

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Move on folks just another lame anti-gun, anti-trump, anti-NRA, thread.

Yes you're right more tots and pears that's the best answer.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Move on folks just another lame anti-gun, anti-trump, anti-NRA, thread.

Yup.....

[EZM]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Move on folks just another lame anti-gun, anti-trump, anti-NRA, thread.

Yes, bury your head in the sand, accept everything as is, don't dare question/discuss any issues and blindly believe what we tell you to believe right? lol.

Yeah - I dislike Trump, maybe don't even like the NRA but calling me anti-gun just clearly demonstrates your complete lack of intellectual capacity.

If you can't accept that someone who is a gun owner, hunter, etc. ALSO wants to have controls and legislation in place to protect people without the infringement of his/her rights of ownership you need to wake up. A common sense balance is possible and it's really not that difficult to understand.

If you have nothing to add to the discussion - keep your bitter and ignorant comments to yourself.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Your ignorance of guns becomes more obvious with every one of your anti gun posts. You do know that a glue gun does not qualify you as a gun owner right? As totally misguided as your comments are at least they are becoming somewhat comical. Carry on with your anti gun rant Skippy but I will waste no more time with you.

What anti gun posts? I have never been anti-gun, nor do I ever recall any position I have taken to be anti-gun. I asked a question I was genuinely interested in. Your paranoia and delusion led you to believe I was trolling with some sort of agenda. Way to go bud - this is PRECISELY why people like YOU divide us as a group.

Now if you have nothing productive to say - and you want to resort to attacking, provoking and inaccurately labelling people - go find somewhere else to play. We don't need you here on this forum.

People like you, your ignorant comments detract from this forum, alienate members with thoughtful opinions or questions and create an environment of harassment and cause people to hesitate in participating on this forum.

People like you, quite frankly, are bullies that need to be banned.

I was asking a legit question.

I am a gun owner who believes that there are ways for there to be working balance between the protection of the public through some regulation/screenings whilst allowing gun owners to have protections and rights.

I like the laws and regulations as they exist here, today, in Canada.

My questions was related to the situation in the US with regulation / appropriate screening.

If you are unable to comprehend or understand those simple concepts I can't help you.

Thanks again for once again derailing yet another thread, attacking yet another member and moving yourself one step closer to a time out.

[58thecat]

[Ranch11]

Background check isn’t enough obviously.

Dealers or firearms officers need a reference list to contact when purchasing guns. Maybe these references will have some insight as to what’s going in these people’s lives. Maybe they’re depressed, or ****ed off, or have some mental illness.

It won’t stop em from stealing a gun but may stop em from buying a gun for these godless acts.

[hogie]

Unsure of this law, but it sounds like they should have flagged him as not being able to legally get a firearm. They made a big mistake. Should be some major fallout and inquiries into this.
There is a few articles out there condemning the FBI for this.

Like anything too many biased non fact filled stories that come out right after. Takes a few days to get the truth or close to it.

Heard there was 18 school shootings this year. Reported by a anti gun group. An actual news article came out after proving that they lied on some of them.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.78b1e9dd318a

[slough shark]

Originally Posted by hogie

Unsure of this law, but it sounds like they should have flagged him as not being able to legally get a firearm. They made a big mistake. Should be some major fallout and inquiries into this.
There is a few articles out there condemning the FBI for this.

They knew this guy was a ticking time bomb, they were watching him but did nothing.!the USA has issues with their laws, they need to be able to prevent a wingnut like this guy from getting a gun, they also probably need to get him help. It seems a lot of these guys they know about but take no steps to prevent these things from happening. We have our own ticking time bombs here (100+ returns from Isis) I’m sure that will go well. It sucks when governments don’t act in the interest of the people.

[260 Rem]

A part of discussing the mass shootings in the USA has to include discussion regarding guns because they are a part of the equation. But, the phenomenon which is prevalent in the USA is complicated by the culture that has resulted in a general desensitization regarding gun violence. Canadians are different in that respect.

[hogie]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

A part of discussing the mass shootings in the USA has to include discussion regarding guns because they are a part of the equation. But, the phenomenon which is prevalent in the USA is complicated by the culture that has resulted in a general desensitization regarding gun violence. Canadians are different in that respect.

Yes and no

My nephews wife is a nurse , got a job in Wetaskiwin in the ER. She was told to expect to see gunshot wounds on a regular basis. I think we don't hear much about gun violence on purpose. She didn't stay their very long.

I think there is probably more going on that what we actually know. Many things are not reported if they happen In certain areas. Local papers will report but that's as far as it goes.

Lots of violence that happens without guns that never makes the news. I think we are getting to used to hearing about violence that it doesn't surprise people anymore. Guns , stabbings beatings. Not always a death involved but people being hurt.

Depending on where you live will also make a difference, I grew up around Wetaskiwin and not many thing surprise me.

US has a problem, how to fix it is beyond banning or restricting a firearm. Taking the tool away won't solve the problem. How to fix the problem is something that I can't comprehend because it is a senseless act.

Perhaps violence shouldn't be glorified in the media, music and Hollywood?

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

A part of discussing the mass shootings in the USA has to include discussion regarding guns because they are a part of the equation. But, the phenomenon which is prevalent in the USA is complicated by the culture that has resulted in a general desensitization regarding gun violence. Canadians are different in that respect.

Yup, Hollywood actors making scads of violent shooting movies and then getting on the anti gun bandwagon off stage. Liam Neeson is a prime example.

Griss