Anyone own a Viszla? or GSP?

[LandlockedIslander]

hey guys, been researching both breeds for a while and looking at getting one of each, however, my wife has allergies and we are hoping to hang out with one for a bit and see how bad they are. Does anyone have one?
thanks.

[Chixfishing]

That is a good family Dog. I remember my grandfather had one while I was growing. Such a lovely and energetic Dog. Good luck in your search.

[Dave P]

My wife is allergic to dogs. She even went to an allergist to get tested as i said I was calling her bluff (wanted some small non hunting hypoallergenic dog)

I got the GSP anyways. She suffers.......


....but she has been getting better. Like significantly better.

She still takes a claratin a day, and if she is in direct contact with Lloyd for a long period of time will break out a little, but the day to say symptoms are almost gone.

[robson3954]

My GSP def sheds hair and dander. If her allergies are bad, probably won't be good. My brother has a viszla and honestly I can't remember how bad they are. I don't think they have the same undercoat that GSPs have.

[LandlockedIslander]

thanks, guys. ya, nothing to new so far. my sister seems to react differently to different dogs, hoping its the same with my wife. forgot to mention I live just outside of Drumheller Alberta and have some pretty good access for pheasant and ducks. maybe someone wants to come for a walk with some shotguns and give my wife and I some exposure to either one of these breeds. let me know.

[Birdy]

I’ve got a V and they’re a great breed. But if it’s the saliva your wife is allergic to (it’s usually the saliva or dander, not hair/fur) then a V may not be the best breed because they’re cat-like in their cleaning tendencies. No experience w/GSPs but I’ve never seen any breed groom the way my V does; rear leg halfway in his mouth all the time.


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[LandlockedIslander]

hey, birdy do you live close to Calgary by chance? any way we could come have your pup drool on my wife a bit?

[MK2750]

I have never owned one but these are the answer to some allergy sufferers;

The Pudelpointer is an interesting hunting dog in that he originated from the Pudel, or German Hunting Poodle, the English Pointer and other Pointing breeds. He is a hypoallergenic breed and a versatile hunter. He is a gentle dog and loves receiving attention and affection. His intelligence makes him easy to train and he excels when positive reinforcement is being used. The Pudelpointer may look awkward but he is a devoted companion and hunter. He does require a lot of exercise and daily exercise is recommended to keep him calm and able to adjust to a family setting rather than being out in the field or water hunting.

Read more at: https://wagwalking.com/breed/pudelpointer

[LandlockedIslander]

ya I've heard great things about poodle pointers as well. just not sure I can do it. lol.

[coolpete1]

i have a gsp and a gwp , the wirehair doesn't really shed much , the shorthair does. on a side note , these guys are insane with energy , just know what your getting into. but they are the best dogs i've ever had to hang out with.

[SuperCub]

Originally Posted by MK2750

I have never owned one but these are the answer to some allergy sufferers;

The Pudelpointer is an interesting hunting dog in that he originated from the Pudel, or German Hunting Poodle, the English Pointer and other Pointing breeds. He is a hypoallergenic breed and a versatile hunter. He is a gentle dog and loves receiving attention and affection. His intelligence makes him easy to train and he excels when positive reinforcement is being used. The Pudelpointer may look awkward but he is a devoted companion and hunter. He does require a lot of exercise and daily exercise is recommended to keep him calm and able to adjust to a family setting rather than being out in the field or water hunting.

Read more at: https://wagwalking.com/breed/pudelpointer

I own a 5yr old male Pudelpointer. The above quote is spot one and should be seriously considered by the OP give his needs.

Mine is a smooth coat which is not the norm for the breed. Most have a longer rough coat. Shedding is almost nil.

[gs100bert]

I have a gsp the wife has allergy’s she suffers. But he is an awesome dog

[LandlockedIslander]

Originally Posted by SuperCub

I own a 5yr old male Pudelpointer. The above quote is spot one and should be seriously considered by the OP give his needs.



Mine is a smooth coat which is not the norm for the breed. Most have a longer rough coat. Shedding is almost nil.

These are pics of your poodle pointer?


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[LandlockedIslander]

Thanks a lot guys. Nice to hear from real world people.


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[sns2]

I have been down this road with asthma / allergy sufferers and hunting dogs.

I have had many and GSPs shed like hell. Crazy energy level as has been mentioned.

Pudelpointers and Vizsla are the only two that are advisable if your wife is a for real sufferer.

Anyone who may tell you GWPs don't shed are absolute liars. Not as bad as a GSP, but they do shed for sure.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by sns2

I have been down this road with asthma / allergy sufferers and hunting dogs.

I have had many and GSPs shed like hell. Crazy energy level as has been mentioned.

Pudelpointers and Vizsla are the only two that are advisable if your wife is a for real sufferer.

Anyone who may tell you GWPs don't shed are absolute liars. Not as bad as a GSP, but they do shed for sure.

I have a Drahthaar, and they most certainly do shed. Nowhere near a much as my friends Lab did, but they do shed. WPGs are supposedly hypoallergenic, and non shedding, but I don't have one, and can't confirm that. Temperament wise, bloodlines are the key factor, my dog is full of energy in the field, but very calm in the house, yet some GWPs are hyper in the house. The Vislas, GSPs, and GWPs and the similar breeds all require a lot of exercise, a 15 minute walk on a leash isn't enough for them. My dog runs off leash in a field for 45 minutes every day that he isn't hunting, which may also be a factor in him being so common in the house. As for getting two dogs, I would get one and train that dog, before getting a second one, training one at a time is enough for a new handler.

[sns2]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I have a Drahthaar, and they most certainly do shed. Nowhere near a much as my friends Lab did, but they do shed. WPGs are supposedly hypoallergenic, and non shedding, but I don't have one, and can't confirm that. Temperament wise, bloodlines are the key factor, my dog is full of energy in the field, but very calm in the house, yet some GWPs are hyper in the house. The Vislas, GSPs, and GWPs and the similar breeds all require a lot of exercise, a 15 minute walk on a leash isn't enough for them. My dog runs off leash in a field for 45 minutes every day that he isn't hunting, which may also be a factor in him being so common in the house. As for getting two dogs, I would get one and train that dog, before getting a second one, training one at a time is enough for a new handler.

That is an absolutely huge factor I am guessing.

[M.C. Gusto]

I have owned a few of the breeds mentioned here including the PP. all of them she’d except the PP, so that’s my recommendation.
Assuming all dogs come from hunting lines they’re all pretty much the same disposition and energy. All great family dogs.

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I have a Drahthaar, and they most certainly do shed. Nowhere near a much as my friends Lab did, but they do shed. WPGs are supposedly hypoallergenic, and non shedding, but I don't have one, and can't confirm that. Temperament wise, bloodlines are the key factor, my dog is full of energy in the field, but very calm in the house, yet some GWPs are hyper in the house. The Vislas, GSPs, and GWPs and the similar breeds all require a lot of exercise, a 15 minute walk on a leash isn't enough for them. My dog runs off leash in a field for 45 minutes every day that he isn't hunting, which may also be a factor in him being so common in the house. As for getting two dogs, I would get one and train that dog, before getting a second one, training one at a time is enough for a new handler.

You spent a lot of time on this dog, did extensive research, joined hunting clubs and sought out mentors to help you along the way.

As with most dogs, you get out what you put in. You obviously have put lots in and are reaping the rewards. I would suspect with this effort and commitment you could have had excellent results from several different breeds, including a German Wirehaired Pointer.

Temperament can vary drastically within a litter and even more so from different breeding. To suggest, from a cross section of one, that a Deutsch Drahthaar is a completely different and better animal than a German Wirehair Pointer is speculation at best. I am sure there are as many (probably more considering American ego) owners of GWPs that have the opposite view with much more experience.

The German Wirehaired Pointer was developed through decades of crossbreeding dogs such as Stichelhaars, Pudelpointers and German Shorthairs. They are strong, athletic, and physically designed to run and swim with exceptional control. They can find and point birds, track wounded game, and retrieve equally well on land or water. Personality-wise, German wirehairs can be intense, but they also are extremely biddable and learn quickly. Rarely are they “soft” dogs, which means novice trainers can make mistakes and the dogs will easily recover and relearn.

The Verein Deutsch Drahthaar is the breed’s parent club in Germany. Dogs bred under the VDD breeding regulations are called “Deutsch Drahthaars” to differentiate them from those bred outside the VDD under other registries such as the North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association or the American Kennel Club. Beyond that, the German Wirehaired Pointer and the Deutsch Drahthaar are essentially the same.

[wwbirds]

but over the years I have had 5 or 6 German Wirehair Pointers here and only 2 DD dogs. Butch included.
My finding is that although generalized GWPs can be very independent and some to the point of being headstrong.
Both DD dogs were very people orientated and looked for direction rather than resisting direction (as in stubborn). Again it is not clear how much of that people orientation and trainablility was trained or if inherited but both DD dogs were night and day easier to work with.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by MK2750

You spent a lot of time on this dog, did extensive research, joined hunting clubs and sought out mentors to help you along the way.

As with most dogs, you get out what you put in. You obviously have put lots in and are reaping the rewards. I would suspect with this effort and commitment you could have had excellent results from several different breeds, including a German Wirehaired Pointer.

Temperament can vary drastically within a litter and even more so from different breeding. To suggest, from a cross section of one, that a Deutsch Drahthaar is a completely different and better animal than a German Wirehair Pointer is speculation at best. I am sure there are as many (probably more considering American ego) owners of GWPs that have the opposite view with much more experience.

The German Wirehaired Pointer was developed through decades of crossbreeding dogs such as Stichelhaars, Pudelpointers and German Shorthairs. They are strong, athletic, and physically designed to run and swim with exceptional control. They can find and point birds, track wounded game, and retrieve equally well on land or water. Personality-wise, German wirehairs can be intense, but they also are extremely biddable and learn quickly. Rarely are they “soft” dogs, which means novice trainers can make mistakes and the dogs will easily recover and relearn.

The Verein Deutsch Drahthaar is the breed’s parent club in Germany. Dogs bred under the VDD breeding regulations are called “Deutsch Drahthaars” to differentiate them from those bred outside the VDD under other registries such as the North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association or the American Kennel Club. Beyond that, the German Wirehaired Pointer and the Deutsch Drahthaar are essentially the same.

I am not suggesting that the Drahthaar is a superior dog, I am pointing out that the strict breeding standards employed by the VDD system, weeds out the substandard dogs, which reduces the odds of pups with less than desirable traits. There is no such requirement with GWPs.

[TROLLER]

Originally Posted by LandlockedIslander

hey guys, been researching both breeds for a while and looking at getting one of each, however, my wife has allergies and we are hoping to hang out with one for a bit and see how bad they are. Does anyone have one?
thanks.

Never had a Visla but all the years I ran a water fowl guide service a lot of clients would want to bring their dogs. I stopped the V because my observation was they were a one person dog and more than once had them take a chomp out of another hunter or go after another dog. I know it is mostly the trainer not the dog but that is just my experience. That being said I am a die hard Lab fan.

[SuperCub]

Originally Posted by TROLLER

Never had a Visla but all the years I ran a water fowl guide service a lot of clients would want to bring their dogs. I stopped the V because my observation was they were a one person dog and more than once had them take a chomp out of another hunter or go after another dog. I know it is mostly the trainer not the dog but that is just my experience. That being said I am a die hard Lab fan.

It's not always the the trainer or the lack of socialization. My PP has met with literally hundreds of dogs over the last 5yrs all with positive reinforcement. He has not been neutered and I've found that in the last 2yrs he will not suffer other male dogs in "his space". He is not aggressive and will not go after them but will turn on them if they approach him and bother him. Females are another story.

[TROLLER]

Originally Posted by TROLLER

Never had a Visla but all the years I ran a water fowl guide service a lot of clients would want to bring their dogs. I stopped the V because my observation was they were a one person dog and more than once had them take a chomp out of another hunter or go after another dog. I know it is mostly the trainer not the dog but that is just my experience. That being said I am a die hard Lab fan.

My error, I mistook the Visla for what I thought was a Weimriner (sp)