Can't decide caliber

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by Hunter Trav

7mm-08...lol

Better option in my opinion but some guys like the purse that comes with the creedmore

[Smokinyotes]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Better option in my opinion but some guys like the purse that comes with the creedmore

The purse is nice to have alright but from the guys I’ve talked to that have the 6.5 CM there legs get cold while wearing a dress hunting.

[waldedw]

The options are unlimited, all depends on what you want, they will all do the job if you do your part

[hansol]

This is the way.

Originally Posted by outdoorsman12b

Just get another 243! My vote would be a tikka with 8 twist. When that burns out rebarrel 6cm.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by overhere

So, I'm stuck can't decide, I have a 243 love the caliber but it's going to my son as his first gun , now I'm stuck between 25-06 and 6.5 creedmoor, not wanting a 308 just don't like the round and not looking for a rifle with a kick that's why I love the 243 , also not going to put a break on the gun .
Not shooting long range 400 at most and only hunting rifle, only some plinking

What do all you have to say about it,

The rifle will come once caliber is picked

7-08....120gr pills....or 140gr pills if you want a wee bit more umphh.

[GoneOutdoors]

25-06... Such a great gun. Versatile... 85gr yote destroyers and 120 gr deer, elk, antelope, and sheep gun.

All the same, we're splitting hairs here. If anything switch from 243 to 6mm Rem. Love mine!


Cant go wrong with any of them.


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[sns2]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Many people bought into the hype, then realized that there was nothing magic about the cartridge, and tried something else. The 6.5CM is a good cartridge, but no cartridge could live up to the hype that it received.

I actually don’t recall it being very common to hear people disappointed in their 6.5 Creedmoor. What aspect would you think they’d find disappointing?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by sns2

I actually don’t recall it being very common to hear people disappointed in their 6.5 Creedmoor. What aspect would you think they’d find disappointing?

I posted that the cartridge didn't live up to the hype, no cartridge could ever live up to that hype. The more gullible people assumed that like Huskema scopes owning a 6.5CM would make them a long distance shooter. Of course that is nonsense , but some people fell for the marketing. As for the number of used 6.5CM rifles, many people heard so much about the 6.5CM, they had to try one. If they were that sold on them, they would have kept their 6.5CM rifles. You bought one yourself, and didn't keep it very long.

[oilngas]

I would go find an old Husqvarna / Dumoulin / Win Model 70 in .243. one set of die for both firearms etc.

[Dick284]

Originally Posted by sns2

I actually don’t recall it being very common to hear people disappointed in their 6.5 Creedmoor. What aspect would you think they’d find disappointing?

The mythically magical 6.5 Creedmoore!

Like in reality what does the Creed bring to the table that a host of other cartridges didn’t?
.257 Roberts
.25-06
6.5 Swede
6.5 mannlicher schoenauer
.260 REM
7x57
7mm-08
.308
Etcetera etcetera

[prarie_boy1]

Originally Posted by Dick284

The mythically magical 6.5 Creedmoore!

Like in reality what does the Creed bring to the table that a host of other cartridges didn’t?
.257 Roberts
.25-06
6.5 Swede
6.5 mannlicher schoenauer
.260 REM
7x57
7mm-08
.308
Etcetera etcetera

I faced this dilemma in 2018 I was in the market for a smaller big game rifle that would serve double duty at a range gun and wasn’t so punishing from the bench. I was set on a .264 bore and figured the creedmoor was the ticket. While it is a fine capable cartridge in its own right I decided being as I had an old rem 700 ADL in .30-06 I would just have it rebarrled in 6.5x55 and call it a day. The creedmooor does offer more factory offerings to the Swede but as I handload it was irrelevant to me. I grabbed a #5 barrel 1-8 twist on a Black Friday sale and sent it off to the smith with a few pieces of virgin lapua brass to make an adjustment to the bolt nose. The rifle was throated for 120-140 grain modern projectiles without the usually long 6.5x55 throat and I was off the the races. Performance wise it is on par or slightly ahead of the .260/6.5 creed and with a good supply of lapua brass makes a fine target/hunting rifle. In my case the only thing the creed offered was a short action and better factory ammo supply…..

[Frank_NK28]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

many people bought into the hype, then realized that there was nothing magic about the cartridge, and tried something else. The 6.5cm is a good cartridge, but no cartridge could live up to the hype that it received.

100%

[sns2]

Originally Posted by Dick284

The mythically magical 6.5 Creedmoore!

Like in reality what does the Creed bring to the table that a host of other cartridges didn’t?
.257 Roberts
.25-06
6.5 Swede
6.5 mannlicher schoenauer
.260 REM
7x57
7mm-08
.308
Etcetera etcetera

Maybe I am wrong, but I just see it a close cousin to a 260 Rem, of which there is very little wrong with. I never own very many rifles at any given time. If I did own a bunch, a 6.5 Creedmoor would fill the bill nicely purely as a deer rifle, as would any on the above list.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by sns2

Maybe I am wrong, but I just see it a close cousin to a 260 Rem, of which there is very little wrong with. I never own very many rifles at any given time. If I did own a bunch, a 6.5 Creedmoor would fill the bill nicely purely as a deer rifle, as would any on the above list.

The 6.5CM was not marketed as a cartridge that there is nothing wrong with, it was marketed as a cartridge that was somehow superior to pretty much all other cartridges. Your 6.5PRC can do anything that the Creedmoor can do as a hunting rifle, and is actually a better all around big game cartridge.

[Frank_NK28]

Originally Posted by ghfalls

270 is a nice fast calibre. Low recoil. Every deer I’ve shot with mine has left a nice blood trail.

This^^^it's my fave. I used to work in a gun shop part time in Northern Ontario and during the season when hunters were travelling I cannot tell you how many came in that had forgot their ammo at home. Even though we were well stocked with many brands and calibres the oddball calibres were a crapshoot and we were in a city of 50,000 and during an era of plenty, not like the market today where ammo of any kind can be extremely difficult to locate at times and reloading supplies are almost non-existent.
As those hunters got further away from the bigger towns they found out the hard way that little general stores, hardware stores, lodges etc in the more remote hunting areas carried about 4 or 5 calibre choices that were amongst the most popular. I've seen guys with oddball cartridges unable to acquire anything 8-12 hours from home and be relegated to potting grouse or catching fish all week for the camp while the other guys hunted moose and deer. I would never buy any rifle in a calibre that you cannot find ammo for in the middle of nowhere...

[Trochu]

I'm pretty sure the 6.5 CM has been one of the best, if not the best, selling hunting cartridge/rifle in Canada/US for close to a decade now. It stands to reason that there are alot of used ones on the market.

[sns2]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I posted that the cartridge didn't live up to the hype, no cartridge could ever live up to that hype. The more gullible people assumed that like Huskema scopes owning a 6.5CM would make them a long distance shooter. Of course that is nonsense , but some people fell for the marketing. As for the number of used 6.5CM rifles, many people heard so much about the 6.5CM, they had to try one. If they were that sold on them, they would have kept their 6.5CM rifles. You bought one yourself, and didn't keep it very long.

When I read hype, I think of marketing, but Hornady never made untrue claims or did they?

I am honestly asking.

I never even think of the crowd that shoots a mile, as I am not a part of that pursuit, so I don’t know.

I read a lot on 24 hr Campfire, and most of the hunting reports are excellent as a deer rifle, and placed right, can make short work of moose and elk too.

Just like most light deer cartridges.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by sns2

When I read hype, I think of marketing, but Hornady never made untrue claims or did they?

I am honestly asking.

I never even think of the crowd that shoots a mile, as I am not a part of that pursuit, so I don’t know.

I read a lot on 24 hr Campfire, and most of the hunting reports are excellent as a deer rifle, and placed right, can make short work of moose and elk too.

Just like most light deer cartridges.

When it came to marketing, Hornady went all out with the 6.5CM, from ads, to making sure every magazine and influencial person they had access to reviewed the 6.5CM or wrote about it, to making certain that several manufacturers produced rifles, especially precision/long distance oriented models. No cartridge has been marketed heavier in recent history than the 6.5CM. And marketing does sell, even if the product is in reality , pretty much the same as several existing products. If you spent any time at ranges, you would have been exposed to a lot more of the hype, and you would have seen the expectations, that every rifle in 6.5CM, should shoot sub 1/2moa, with any load. And you would have seen the disappointment, when many of those rifles did no better that 1-1/2 to 2 moa with some factory loads.

[Pathfinder76]

So what hype didn’t it live up to?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

So what hype didn’t it live up to?

Contrary to what many people expected after seeing the ads and reviews, every 6.5CM rifle isn't going to produce superior accuracy to the other 6.5 cartridges, let alone all of the other hunting cartridges.

[Ballertrawler II]

stay with a 243!

then you and your son have the same gun.... Speed and shot placement kills with the good bullets available.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Contrary to what many people expected after seeing the ads and reviews, every 6.5CM rifle isn't going to produce superior accuracy to the other 6.5 cartridges, let alone all of the other hunting cartridges.

So accuracy? That’s it?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

So accuracy? That’s it?

When at the range ask any 6.5CM shooter, why they chose the 6.5CM. Almost everyone that I have talked to, wanted a precision rifle, and most mentioned long range precision. So accuracy was why they chose the 6.5CM.

[sns2]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

When it came to marketing, Hornady went all out with the 6.5CM, from ads, to making sure every magazine and influencial person they had access to reviewed the 6.5CM or wrote about it, to making certain that several manufacturers produced rifles, especially precision/long distance oriented models. No cartridge has been marketed heavier in recent history than the 6.5CM. And marketing does sell, even if the product is in reality , pretty much the same as several existing products. If you spent any time at ranges, you would have been exposed to a lot more of the hype, and you would have seen the expectations, that every rifle in 6.5CM, should shoot sub 1/2moa, with any load. And you would have seen the disappointment, when many of those rifles did no better that 1-1/2 to 2 moa with some factory loads.

I traded mine for a lovely Finnlight in 270 Win from one of the regs on the forum. Unfired. Don’t ask me what I swapped that one for because I wouldn’t have a clue. LOL.

[anchorman]

We used the 6.5 Creed as a step up for my son from his compact 243. I have to say, glad we did. Not that it's any better than a lot of other calibers, but its a very light weight low recoiling rifle that he loves to shoot. I found some Sako ammuniton that's 158 grains it chucks at 2,700 fps (on the box anyway) so it definitely has some jam. That we can buy ammunition anywhere was a big reason for us to go with it, ymmv.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by sns2

I traded mine for a lovely Finnlight in 270 Win from one of the regs on the forum. Unfired. Don’t ask me what I swapped that one for because I wouldn’t have a clue. LOL.

And it took me nine loads to come up with one accurate load for that 6.5CM, a lot of range time, and components, when components weren't easy to come by, you were as frustrated as I was until I finally came up with a load that it would shoot well. That rifle, and the one after it, are why you were warned, not to ever bring me any more rifles wearing that brand name again.

[58thecat]

https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/fi...-6-5-creedmoor

https://www.themeateater.com/wired-t...-6-5-creedmoor

Interesting reads.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

When at the range ask any 6.5CM shooter, why they chose the 6.5CM. Almost everyone that I have talked to, wanted a precision rifle, and most mentioned long range precision. So accuracy was why they chose the 6.5CM.

Last time I checked, Hornady doesn’t build rifles.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Last time I checked, Hornady doesn’t build rifles.

But they did market the 6.5CM, without Hornady, most people would have never heard of the 6.5CM.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

But they did market the 6.5CM, without Hornady, most people would have never heard of the 6.5CM.

Why in the world would a company develop and bring a cartridge to market and not tell anyone? Every single cartridge developed in the last 100 years has had marketing behind it. Then when one takes off it’s all marketing? Yea right.

I don’t know why some of you guys have such a hate on for new cartridges and new cartridge design. Blows my mind.