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Psyschology Professor Nails it.
Excellelent talk by Dr Peterson. Stop the NeoMarxism funding. Go to the core.
https://youtu.be/s4c-jOdPTN8
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07-10-2017, 10:17 AM
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He's sure got a good handle on the SJW left and how their numbers are expanding despite the fact that no logical line of thought would bring people to such political standpoints. The fact that there are no men's studies courses or such explains half the story. It also explains why the NDP is re-writing the school curriculum to indoctrinate more minions to their illogical cause. It explains why the NDP is trying to (or succeeding) to revoke certain schools mandates (we're only allowed to learn or believe what the NDP wants us to learn or believe). If its not nipped in the bud soon I can predict extreme oppression coming from the self-righteous socialist left.
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I like that We're trying to 'intellectualize' a justification for rejecting 'the left' and Marxism. I realized after viewing 9:30 that this dude is as much a delusional 'charlatan' as those crazed up SJWs he vilifies (I'm not a big fan of University SJWs either... but Come On!)
Saying that Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Castro were legit attempts at Marxism is a pretty silly, invalid and terribly worn out counter argument to Marxism.
They were oligarchies or dictatorships ..... nothing more.... and they used Marxism as a selling point to the rest of the population.
I'm not sure humans can be Marxist.... because it requires us to rid society of traditional social hierarchy models.
I don't think that type of 'global spontaneous revolution of the proletariat is possible'.
Don't think it ever will.
What this 'expert' is selling is a simple interpretation of Marxism and history. And it's banking on the listeners not ever having read/studied Marxs works OR examined 20th century 'communism' in any detail.
So believe this guy... or study up yourself.
Ps
Think ya know capitalism....?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eaZORYaygo0
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07-10-2017, 09:25 PM
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Dr.Peterson has a lot of excellent videos online, well worth checking out.
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07-11-2017, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bessiedog
I like that We're trying to 'intellectualize' a justification for rejecting 'the left' and Marxism. I realized after viewing 9:30 that this dude is as much a delusional 'charlatan' as those crazed up SJWs he vilifies (I'm not a big fan of University SJWs either... but Come On!)
Saying that Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Castro were legit attempts at Marxism is a pretty silly, invalid and terribly worn out counter argument to Marxism.
I'm not sure humans can be Marxist.... because it requires us to rid society of traditional social hierarchy models.
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I see what you are saying. But with these three sentences/thoughts you may argue your own point. If humans can't achieve true Marxism then is it not possible that Lenin, Stalin, Mao, or Castro be perfect examples of the human Marxist?
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07-11-2017, 09:05 AM
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Ya.... could be.. but
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Originally Posted by HyperMOA
I see what you are saying. But with these three sentences/thoughts you may argue your own point. If humans can't achieve true Marxism then is it not possible that Lenin, Stalin, Mao, or Castro be perfect examples of the human Marxist?
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It depends..... there's an 'enlightening/education ' part of the proletariat class that's supposed to happen.
And Marxism is supposed to be a spontaneous global thing... not an engineered thing led by 'Leninists'.
Most people would agree that what's been tried is some form of Leninism/Stalinism.
Neomarxists would argue we haven't had ANY Marxism yet... cause it's a global-species wide thing that'll come in time.
Some say the global Occupy movements of 2008-2009 we're the first stirrings.
But not much more than that.
.... just cause I'm not sure it could happen doesn't mean it won't. If it did then I'm CERTAIN that the Flamesll never win another Stanley Cup.. 
This video DOES bother me cause I'm sure this 'smart university prof' knows he's dishing out a perverted interpretation of Marxism and history as well....
And we're happily eating it up cause it confirms our bias.
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You had me at the Flames never winning another cup 
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It depends..... there's an 'enlightening/education ' part of the proletariat class that's supposed to happen.
And Marxism is supposed to be a spontaneous global thing... not an engineered thing led by 'Leninists'.
Most people would agree that what's been tried is some form of Leninism/Stalinism.
Neomarxists would argue we haven't had ANY Marxism yet... cause it's a global-species wide thing that'll come in time.
Some say the global Occupy movements of 2008-2009 we're the first stirrings.
But not much more than that.
.... just cause I'm not sure it could happen doesn't mean it won't. If it did then I'm CERTAIN that the Flamesll never win another Stanley Cup..
This video DOES bother me cause I'm sure this 'smart university prof' knows he's dishing out a perverted interpretation of Marxism and history as well....
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He covers this argument that "true marxism" has never been tried in another one of his talks
and explains it quite well. Maybe it never really has been tried, but based on the results we've seen when ANY form of it is tried, I'm pretty content to stick with some form of capitalism.
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But...... we don't know capitalism.....
We get it explained to us.
Read Adam Smith
Both major works
What we have now is some bizzare form of corporatism.
Smith is turning over in his grave.
It should ALL be small businesses if I had my way.
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We get it explained to us.
Read Adam Smith
Both major works
What we have now is some bizzare form of corporatism.
Smith is turning over in his grave.
It should ALL be small businesses if I had my way.
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We agree!! 
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Yup!
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I knew there were parts of you that I liked!
Smith was 'the dirty socialist' of his day.
There are lots of things Smith and Marx have in common.
Hatred of corporate oligarchies would be one.
I think both the left and the right simply want individuals to be treated 'fair'... they just grossly differ on who to blame for the 'unfair'.
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This is an interesting point of view on the subject.
http://youtu.be/UnaDCmGduLQ
Is it ironic that this video was one of the thumbnail links after the South Park PC Principal video?
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Doesn't she kinda lose credibility when she blames the 'rise' of leftism sjwness on 'a small group of academics' that highjacked the western education system...?
Tin foil hatty... no?
Or is she right cause you agree with her?
'Traitorous Merkel'.... ya.. so much for intellectualizing...
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X2 on pretty much everything bessiedog has said in this thread. I usually avoid this part of ths forum, so it's been a nice surprise haha
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Well, seeing as how there were educators openly lamenting the socialist infiltration of our universities back in the late 70's and early 80's, yeah, I'd say she has a grasp of the current situation.
As for inferring that Merkel is a traitor to Germany and Europe? Time will tell.
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Well he's definitely right on about all the bull**** courses out there... kind of crazy that they exist at all
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Ok
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Well, seeing as how there were educators openly lamenting the socialist infiltration of our universities back in the late 70's and early 80's, yeah, I'd say she has a grasp of the current situation.
As for inferring that Merkel is a traitor to Germany and Europe? Time will tell.
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At the University level.... maybe.. and only because I experienced it firsthand (got academically mauled when I took a feminism course and questioned the prof's dogma).
Still not sure it's a 'coordinated' thing.
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This video DOES bother me cause I'm sure this 'smart university prof' knows he's dishing out a perverted interpretation of Marxism and history as well....
And we're happily eating it up cause it confirms our bias.
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I agree that Lenin and Stalin were not Marxists. However, they identified themselves as Marxists. Well to begin with anyways, and I believe that's why he points them out as examples of failed Marxism. I truly believe that you are right about Marxism not ever being achieved. Get 6 people in a room to agree on a pizza, when you solve that, we will move onto a global level.
We don't necessarily eat things up because they confirm our bias. Is he wrong? He has his theories of where the mentality of certain individuals come from, and what keeps growing that mentality. He could be wrong, but I believe he has looked into the "issue" and has come up with a very credible hypothesis. That's the thing, unless his ideals were actually instituted to see if a change correlates to his hypothesis you can never truly say he is wrong. Many of us can see the validity of his hypothesis and agree with it whole, or in part. That doesn't mean we have a bias, it means it stands to reason.
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Ok
I get ya.
That makes sense.
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Leftism's failure record is so undeniable that those who still subscribe to it are either incredibly ignorant of history, haven't lived long enough to witness the damage it causes or are societal masochists.
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Leftism's failure record is so undeniable that those who still subscribe to it are either incredibly ignorant of history, haven't lived long enough to witness the damage it causes or are societal masochists.
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Leftism's failure record is so undeniable that those who still subscribe to it are either incredibly ignorant of history, haven't lived long enough to witness the damage it causes or are societal masochists.
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yea right... post of the month.
I'm gonna Make a vague group to blame .... instead on communist or terrorist... I'm gonna be just as vague and go 'Leftist'.
And I'm going to smear them with NO serious justification.
I'm sorry that your so angry at whatever. Hope getting mad with a keyboard helps.
I'm also very very sorry you tie your identity so much to political leanings.
If you really are old enough... you KNOW that political
Preferences tend to vary based a lot on age and circumstance.
Age changes.
Circumstance changes.
Yesterday's 60's hippies are today's senior corporate CEOs.
You might as well get just as insulty at people that don't like the same flavor ice cream as you....... really.
(And if you like licorice flavour.... well I have no use for you)
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yea right... post of the month.
I'm gonna Make a vague group to blame .... instead on communist or terrorist... I'm gonna be just as vague and go 'Leftist'.
And I'm going to smear them with NO serious justification.
I'm sorry that your so angry at whatever. Hope getting mad with a keyboard helps.
I'm also very very sorry you tie your identity so much to political leanings.
If you really are old enough... you KNOW that political
Preferences tend to vary based a lot on age and circumstance.
Age changes.
Circumstance changes.
Yesterday's 60's hippies are today's senior corporate CEOs.
You might as well get just as insulty at people that don't like the same flavor ice cream as you....... really.
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You aren't wrong, but you are drawing the wrong conclusions. Yes, the 60's hippes are now CEOs, but now they are also not leftists.
You should watch and listen to more of what Jordan Peterson and his some of his colleagues have to say about leftism and liberalism.
My take is that yes, western society has failed, but it is not because of capitalism or "right-wingers", but rather because of crony capitalism and greed - for either money or power.
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Originally Posted by bessiedog
yea right... post of the month.
I'm gonna Make a vague group to blame .... instead on communist or terrorist... I'm gonna be just as vague and go 'Leftist'.
And I'm going to smear them with NO serious justification.
I'm sorry that your so angry at whatever. Hope getting mad with a keyboard helps.
I'm also very very sorry you tie your identity so much to political leanings.
If you really are old enough... you KNOW that political
Preferences tend to vary based a lot on age and circumstance.
Age changes.
Circumstance changes.
Yesterday's 60's hippies are today's senior corporate CEOs.
You might as well get just as insulty at people that don't like the same flavor ice cream as you....... really.
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And I'm the angry one?
A sure tell for leftism's pundits is that they always attack the source of its criticism rather than the facts presented.
There's plenty of history to study but if you have the fortitude to watch the video presented above, there are plenty of examples given within that bolster my statement. I was presenting a summary.
The record of further-left-leaning governments in the 20th century is not a good one and the modern countries that are blindly enforcing newer, "progressive" leftist ideals are rapidly succumbing to their new Trojan horses.
I like this one: "If you're 20 and aren't a Liberal, you have no heart. If you're 40 and you're still a liberal, you have no brain".
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Winston Churchill statement on socialism:
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About a month ago I spent a whole day in the cab of my truck with a "Deep thinker" Liberal.
For the most part it was question and answer because you can't "discus" with a liberal.
Late in the ride he finally said in ALL sincerity "I just, I just can't comprehend how you Conservatives think. I don't get it".
True Socialism or true capitalism will never work. If you think Marxism worked move to Russia, China, North Korea .....
If you think Capitalism open your eyes locally.
The reason they don't is the sinful greedy heart of man leads the parades. At days end the leadership doesn't follow their own principles.
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Politicians of any stripe do not get better with age. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
That is why we have to turf the turkeys out after a couple of terms.
Old Conservatives smell as bad as old Liberals.
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The reason they don't is the sinful greedy heart of man leads the parades. At days end the leadership doesn't follow their own principles.
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This is a very insightful statement.
As for the comparison of political ideology and ice cream - Bessie, I will have to disagree with you on that - at least from the point that it's not a fair comparison.
Choices in sociopolitical ideology have consequences.
Choices in ice cream do not. (Unless you're allergic to nuts and ate a drumstick...) 
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