Psyschology Professor Nails it.

[bessiedog]

Originally Posted by propliner

And I'm the angry one?

A sure tell for leftism's pundits is that they always attack the source of its criticism rather than the facts presented.

There's plenty of history to study but if you have the fortitude to watch the video presented above, there are plenty of examples given within that bolster my statement. I was presenting a summary.

The record of further-left-leaning governments in the 20th century is not a good one and the modern countries that are blindly enforcing newer, "progressive" leftist ideals are rapidly succumbing to their new Trojan horses.

I like this one: "If you're 20 and aren't a Liberal, you have no heart. If you're 40 and you're still a liberal, you have no brain".

Your first post here... that was (according to you) a leftist strategy.

And it's just a sophist strategy.
And one of 8 argument falacies.

I was just pointing out that your thread didn't contribute.. it just denigrates the other side.

And yes... I'm a little familiar with 19th and 20th century history.


Stinky... you're flat wrong buddy

Anyone who chooses licorice flavour... has the mark of Satan on them. I'm certain of it.

Re: Churchills quote.... read it carefully... it's what I'm explaining with the age and circumstance thing.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Stinky... you're flat wrong buddy

Anyone who chooses licorice flavour... has the mark of Satan on them. I'm certain of it.

Hahaha! You know it!

[lmtada]

Dr. Peterson will be in Edmonton next month. For those interested.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...rson-1.4496240

[play.soccer]

Originally Posted by lmtada

Dr. Peterson will be in Edmonton next month. For those interested.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...rson-1.4496240

Make sure bessie dog goes so he can huff and puff and stomp his feet at JBP.

[Hfp1422]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

I like that We're trying to 'intellectualize' a justification for rejecting 'the left' and Marxism. I realized after viewing 9:30 that this dude is as much a delusional 'charlatan' as those crazed up SJWs he vilifies (I'm not a big fan of University SJWs either... but Come On!)

Saying that Stalin, Lenin, Mao, and Castro were legit attempts at Marxism is a pretty silly, invalid and terribly worn out counter argument to Marxism.

They were oligarchies or dictatorships ..... nothing more.... and they used Marxism as a selling point to the rest of the population.

I'm not sure humans can be Marxist.... because it requires us to rid society of traditional social hierarchy models.

I don't think that type of 'global spontaneous revolution of the proletariat is possible'.

Don't think it ever will.

What this 'expert' is selling is a simple interpretation of Marxism and history. And it's banking on the listeners not ever having read/studied Marxs works OR examined 20th century 'communism' in any detail.



So believe this guy... or study up yourself.


Ps
Think ya know capitalism....?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eaZORYaygo0

The good ol' "that wasn't REAL Marxism" argument. Too bad there's a 100% failure rate of every society that's tried. Is there an example that didn't lead to murder and abject poverty? If only you were there to enlighten them... The utopia would be achieved

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[CaberTosser]

Oops, wrong thread

[Hfp1422]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

yea right... post of the month.

I'm gonna Make a vague group to blame .... instead on communist or terrorist... I'm gonna be just as vague and go 'Leftist'.

And I'm going to smear them with NO serious justification.

I'm sorry that your so angry at whatever. Hope getting mad with a keyboard helps.

I'm also very very sorry you tie your identity so much to political leanings.

If you really are old enough... you KNOW that political
Preferences tend to vary based a lot on age and circumstance.

Age changes.
Circumstance changes.

Yesterday's 60's hippies are today's senior corporate CEOs.

You might as well get just as insulty at people that don't like the same flavor ice cream as you....... really.

(And if you like licorice flavour.... well I have no use for you)

Yeah, I don't think liking rocky road ice cream is the same as being an apologist for a perverse ideology that has killed millions of people in the name of "equality". One that brings pain, suffering & poverty everywhere it's tried.

There's NO serious justification to smear Communists? LOL.

But hey - if you're a communist, what else are you supposed to say?

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by Hfp1422

The good ol' "that wasn't REAL Marxism" argument. Too bad there's a 100% failure rate of every society that's tried. Is there an example that didn't lead to murder and abject poverty? If only you were there to enlighten them... The utopia would be achieved

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I’m not defending Marxism first off as I believe it fails with any group over 150 people. But for the first 200000 years of humanity we basically followed its principles. It has a place, just as capitalism does too. Both need regulation or greed takes root. And greed is really the only problem.

[Koschenk]

If you have a half hour, watch as a very intelligent Dr. Peterson, flawlessly shuts down every weak projection of an argument this feminist reporter tries to throw at him.

https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54

We need more folks like him.

[Rockman]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

...It has a place, just as capitalism does too. Both need regulation or greed takes root. ...

Hafta agree with this here, pretty much. Socialism is an interesting dream, and I do sincerely wish it were possible to keep things equal and belonging to all. But I've lived in the real world and read enough history and studies on history to know that it simply doesn't. Man just won't evolve enough to lose the selfishness that brings some to crave and hoard power and others to sit back and do the minimum, which is kinda what socialism ends up boiling down to.

But yeah, capitalism ain't perfect. It needs to be kept in check regularly and corrected all the time, even watered a touch with socialism (socialist medicine like we have here in Canada), some of the early forms of welfare (properly used, as it is no longer). But capitalism as it has been practiced by and large here in the West has allowed a great deal of freedom and forward progress, including the time and conditions for people to idealize and dream of utopia: a world where all is equal and peachy, and the greed that festers in our capitalist/socialist countries is no more.

[Rockman]

Originally Posted by Hfp1422

The good ol' "that wasn't REAL Marxism" argument. Too bad there's a 100% failure rate of every society that's tried. Is there an example that didn't lead to murder and abject poverty? If only you were there to enlighten them... The utopia would be achieved

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x1000

[propliner]

A funny thing about Marxism is that in order for it to succeed in a society, every person would have to accept the ideology on a personal level. If this acceptance were possible, it would transcend justice and perfect fairness could be achieved, according to Marx.

That begs the question, what of human nature and its desire for individual independence? Would there be any group tolerance in regards to that? Judging by the examples of the past century, I'd say not all all. By observing the groupthink in today's Social Justice Warriors, I would say even less.

Group ideology iis a dangerous thing if you're not in the group, according to Peterson.

Capitalism naturally endorses equality of opportunity, the excellence of individual achievement and the ownership of the fruits of hard work. It's a reward system in itself, and doesn't ignore human nature or its natural hierarchy.

Capitalism's main enemy is greed, and without the charity of man it is doomed to fail in its purest form. Without true Godliness on earth, taxes must suffice in making it charitable enough to all.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by propliner

A funny thing about Marxism is that in order for it to succeed in a society, every person would have to accept the ideology on a personal level. If this acceptance were possible, it would transcend justice and perfect fairness could be achieved, according to Marx.

That begs the question, what of human nature and its desire for individual independence? Would there be any group tolerance in regards to that? Judging by the examples of the past century, I'd say not all all. By observing the groupthink in today's Social Justice Warriors, I would say even less.

Group ideology iis a dangerous thing if you're not in the group, according to Peterson.

Capitalism naturally endorses equality of opportunity, the excellence of individual achievement and the ownership of the fruits of hard work. It's a reward system in itself, and doesn't ignore human nature or its natural hierarchy.

Capitalism's main enemy is greed, and without the charity of man it is doomed to fail in its purest form. Without true Godliness on earth, taxes must suffice in making it charitable enough to all.

Anyone would be a fool to argue with this.