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Old 12-21-2019, 08:59 PM
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Fishin Tip .... I normally fish two W/W's on 1 rod, dark color on top & bright color down bottom, this past week I noticed the Whites looked a bit confused they would go after the top & miss it and then sometimes try the bottom & miss it and then move on. To consistently catch Whites it requires some finesse in your technique went you catch 1 or 2 and miss lots.

Went home and made a few new W/W's and downsized my hook, used less wraps of wire which helped the W/W sit horizontal & Mr. White could inhale it from either side & I got more or better hook sets.

If your in a fly fishin shop and see the Daiichi # 1530 - Sz 10, I highly recommend you pick some up. If you decide to tie 2 of this size W/W's on 1 rod & you notice the Whites won't commit or turn at the last second, then pull your clippers out & remove the bottom one or cut them both off & tie on the one they show the most interest in.

This size of hook with a shorter shank in #10 is now my new favorite, perhaps because it got me my P/B White this year.

Give them a try, you won't be disappointed.

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Old 12-22-2019, 10:47 PM
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just curious here, I used to live in Calgary, caught probably a few thousand rockies and a lot were on a hackle-less fly I tied with just orange thread on the hook, a good number of wraps to bulk it up a wee bit. sometimes also with a brown hackle but just thin. do you ever try something like this for whites? I catch the odd one but always on a big minnow and quarter ounce jig, I dont really care to target them I prefer fish that bite back Ive gotten more with a bow than a rod that gets exciting
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just curious here, I used to live in Calgary, caught probably a few thousand rockies and a lot were on a hackle-less fly I tied with just orange thread on the hook, a good number of wraps to bulk it up a wee bit. sometimes also with a brown hackle but just thin. do you ever try something like this for whites? I catch the odd one but always on a big minnow and quarter ounce jig, I dont really care to target them I prefer fish that bite back Ive gotten more with a bow than a rod that gets exciting
Hi Wayne ... haven't graduated past wire yet, perhaps next year I'll experiment a bit more, tks for the suggestion.

All the best over the holidays & hard water season.

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Itís W/W tying time, needed to make a few spares that worked really well last year.

I normally tie two W/Wís on each rod, the smaller on top and normally the brighter color on the bottom.

When sight fishing this helps locate my presentations in deeper or murky water conditions.

One day last year I was in 5-6 fow & had quite a few Whites show interest in my larger brass W/W with glass bead, but kept missing it.

Decided to change up and put on a smaller brass W/W (1530 #10) with no bead, that made all the difference.

Got my P/B White on this simple brass W/W thatís a bit smaller in overall size, however, it has a nice sized hook shank and it hangs perfectly horizontal.

(Go back to bottom of Page 10 - Post 297 for a tip on how to tie 2 - W/W's so they sit perfectly horizontal, I use both 6 & 8 lb Floro.)

Made a few starting from the eye as well the shank end of the hook, depends if your adding bling or not.

I find I can get a tighter more even wrap when I start from the shank, use whatever technique works for you.

A few picís & tips that may help if your mfg your own creations.

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David




These Daiichiís 1530 - #10 work great if you can find them.






Start your wrap from the Eye.












This Pattern produced my biggest White ever.





See .... just under 20".






Starting from the Hook Shank.











Something Different in a Wire Rope.








Hot creation of mine Ė Brown Wire with Glass Bead from Cat 6 Computer Cable.













That should get some of you excited Ö..






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Nice! It is not time to get excited until this post hits the top of the list

Good luck out there Zip.
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Nice! It is not time to get excited until this post hits the top of the list

Good luck out there Zip.


Ok .... OK .... with less than 2 weeks to season opener, I'm getting excited. Mr. Whites should be scared that I'm not going to Palm Springs. Hopefully we'll have a decent winter with good solid ice & it will go by quickly. Also hoping the water clarity has improved on Gull.

Wish you all the success this season.

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Got to thinking, for those who are considering or just getting into making your own W/Wís what would be the best "Fishin Tip" to help others improve their success?

This .... It would be to choose the best hook with the right length/shank with a good gap and the eye pointing up as per the pic below. As mentioned in my previous posts I use Nymph style hooks to make my W/Wís & found the - Daiichi 1530 in size #8 & #10 to be premium quality hooks. I also found some Mustard Brand S82-3906B size #8 are good, too. See above post 334 or Page 10 post 296 for a reference pic.

The reason for choosing the right hook is your goal is to get your finished W/W to sit perfectly Horizontal! You wouldnít use a standard hook from a Pickerel Rig, itís too long to start with and when you add wire/beads/bling, it would never sit Horizontal, which is a must if you plan to target Whites.

Another mistake, and I made my share, is to wrap too much wire around the hook. If your using 4 or 6 or 8 lb floro itís almost impossible to get your W/W to sit Horizontal if itís overloaded with wire/weight at the hook shank. Iíve taken apart a number of my earlier creations just to salvage the hooks, Daiichiís arenít cheap and no one sells them here in Central Ab.

To summarize, start with a good Nymph style hook thatís the right length/shank and the gap is just as important donít overdo the wire wraps & your W/Wís will sit perfectly Horizontal, which is the key to success for targeting Mr. White.

Trust this has been helpful.

Cheers

D.




For Reference.






A Good Knot will make all the Difference!






When you Tie them to your Rod make sure the Hook is Up for better Upper Lip Hook Set!

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